Infuriating CTDs, Mod Install Orders

[Xeth989]

I really hope this isn't the only forum section I ever post in.

 

Alright, problems this time.

 

I've been forced to reinstall my game fresh due to my own stupidity of copying the whole Data file from WarCry and the WarCry patch, resulting in my game having half of everything in it displayed in Deutsch. I'm not fluent (at all) in Deutsch.

 

Mind, I'm not adding any new mods to the list, I'm simply reinstalling everything just how it was (down to the t, I have a specific order on which I install mods, and the first 30 are dictated by FCOM's ReadMe. The only change I'm making is swapping out WarCry.esp for WarCry EV.esp. Simple, right?

 

Wrong. I remerge/import/patch my Bashed Patch, 0.esp, update my Load Order with BOSS, and weed out all inconsistencies with the BOSSlog.txt which explains all the incompatibilities between the four Overhauls, finally finish that final rebuild of the Bashed Patch after getting rid of that last pesky conflicting Francesco's Optional (insert here), double click obse_loader.exe and get ready to play some Oblivion. My game has other plans.

 

Immediately, I CTD. Check my load order, swap around some files not modified by BOSS, try again. Same result. Mimic step two three, and four. Same result. :wallbash:

 

I can't figure out what the heck is wrong, since I (am pretty sure I) installed everything per to how I did it last time Oblivion was functioning, haven't added in any new mods, and only replaced one ESP which just changed the language of items, nothing serious at all.

 

Oh, and, for the people who will say "Why didn't you just swap out the esp, why did you reinstall?" I didn't know the cause of the Deutsch language problem, so a reinstall was the only way I could figure out which one it was, checking each installer and each setting for a language choice. My original thought was Francesco's since it comes in many different languages, I might have accidentally installed it improperly.

 

Also, I've tried reinstalling twice, changing up the install order of the main Overhauls to something I think might work. Though honestly I don't have many other files other than the main Overhauls...

 

I'll be posting a picture of my load order, as well as a text document of it (from Wrye Bash).

 

I just want to know if I should keep attempting to install and reinstall until I get it right, if it's a waste of time, or if someone could possibly point me in the right direction on which mods I should install first.

 

Thanks for taking the time to read this wall of text, and thanks to anyone who might be able to shed some light on my current situation. :thumbsup:

 

Edit:

 

Here's the CodeBox from the "List Mods..." option in Wrye Bash.

//The missing Masters are for Cobl Filter Late MERGE, the Item interchange / Item convergence.esps, and Bashed Patch.
Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.32.RC53]
05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm
06  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]
07  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.3.2]
08  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
09  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
0A  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0B  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
0C  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
0D  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
0E  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
0F  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
10  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
11  Fran Armor Add-on.esp
12  Natural_Weather_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael.esp
13  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
14  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
15  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
16  Brighter_Torches.esp
++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]
17  Living Economy.esp
18  Living Economy - Items.esp
19  tona_whitesquall-armor_ver2.esp
1A  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
1B  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
1C  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]
1D  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
1E  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
1F  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
20  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
21  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
22  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.32.RC53]
23  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
24  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
25  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
26  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp
27  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
28  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
29  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
2A  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
2B  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]
2C  Knights.esp
2D  OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]
2E  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
2F  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
30  mythsandlegends.esp
31  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.1]
32  Open Cities Full + Leyawiin Reborn.esp  [Version 3.3.2]
33  OCC-COBL-Wells.esp
34  OCC-OOO-Patch.esp  [Version 2.2]
35  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
36  Natural_Vegetation_200%_by_Max_Tael.esp
37  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
38  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
39  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
3A  Kobu's Skip Intro Mod.esp
3B  RealisticForceHigh.esp
3C  RealisticMagicForceHigh.esp
3D  MidasSpells.esp
3E  Pestilent Afflictions.esp
3F  StealthOverhaul.esp
40  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.4]
41  Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp
42  Kobu's Cure for Fatigue Mod.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
43  Kobu's Lighter Backpack Mod.esp
++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]
44  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.2]
45  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]
**  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]
**  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]
46  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]
47  Francesco's 7 days respawn time - 1-16 day lenght rescale.esp
48  Open Cities LR Road Record.esp
++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]
49  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]
4A  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Armamentarium.esm
----> MISSING MASTER: Better Cities Resources.esm
----> MISSING MASTER: CLS-Craftybits.esm
----> MISSING MASTER: Cybiades.esm
----> MISSING MASTER: CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
----> MISSING MASTER: Diverse Wisps - Base.esm
----> MISSING MASTER: Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm
----> MISSING MASTER: morerunes' food collection.esm
----> MISSING MASTER: npc with jobs.esm
----> MISSING MASTER: Qarls_Harvest.esm
----> MISSING MASTER: Ulrim's Horses.esm
----> MISSING MASTER: Waalx Animals & Creatures.esm
----> MISSING MASTER: Adult Books.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: AliveWaters.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Bakery_Brewery01.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Better Imperial City.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Bosmer Meat Mandate.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: BrewHouse.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Cannibalism.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: CDM-Scavenge Corpse.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: CDM-The Necromantic Experience.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: CMOvens.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: coffeeshop.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Cooking Mod v1.1 - Nuhmbuh1.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: CT-Com's Torch Compendium.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: D3Y_CulinaryMod_v1.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: DLCSpellTomes.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Duke Patricks - Basic Exhaustion Plus Encumbrance And Sleep.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: eek's Cooking Mod - Demo.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Elder Scrolls Book Club - Oblivion.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: ElsweyrRiverhold.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: ExnemRuneskulls.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: FF_Real_Thirst.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: GreatForestMarket.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Happyhannah's Wines.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: hunters_bounty.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: ICEXPAND.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Imperial City Waterfront Tunnel Entrance.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Jade Dishes.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Jagnot- Imperial City Library V1.3.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: JQ-PizzaShop.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: LadyLis_dainties.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: LadyLis_Leckerli.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Lily of the Valley Nectar.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: lumi_alchemyexpanded.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: More_Animals.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: More_Vegetables.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: MrPwners Cooking v0.1.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Mud Crabs!.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Mud Crabs!_MMM.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Obicos_Ingredient_Increaser_v11-5131.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Oblivion Collectible Cards.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: OblivionFarmer'sMarket3.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: OblivionFarmer'sMarket3NoHungry.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: OMP-NewFood.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Pitcher Plant and Lily Ingredients.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: PitcherPlantHarvestable.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Qarls_Harvest addon.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Qarls_Harvest addon_MMM.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Rays Hunting System v1.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Sexlivion.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Shads Coffee.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Shads Hunting & Fauna.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Soup01b.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: T.I.E4MODS.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: TamrielSnacks11-DV.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: TamrielSnacks11-EV.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: tchos' breakfast food.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: The Clean Plate.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: TIE.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: TSPPies_in_Cyrodiil.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: XiaValentinesDayGift07.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: zCats & Rats.esp
4B  Francesco's level up mini mod.esp
4C  RRWeapos&Armors.esp

 

And the image, it's a bit undersized, but it's enough to see that none of the load orders are conflicting.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u249/Xeth989/WryeMerged.jpg

[bben46]

Did you remember to patch to the latest version? And install OBSE?

Also, you never say if it worked before installing any mods (you did test didn't you?)

 

Here is a link to my complete uninstall/reinstall procedure located in the articles section of the Nexus

http://www.tesnexus.com/articles/article.php?id=240

 

It includes recommendations on only the vanilla game.

 

When you get the game working with NO mods, but with SI and the latest patch. And tested to be sure it really works. Make a back up of your data folder. (copy and rename it into another folder OUTSIDE of the Oblivion folder) That will prevent having to reinstall over and over. Just remove the existing data folder and copy - DO NOT move the backed up data folder into the /oblivion folder. The only things that can change the actual game itself are the official mods and SI. :thumbsup:

[Jenrai]

Personal experience with Better Cities - It doesn't matter what else you've got. At all. If that better cities ESM is missing, the game won't be pointed at the better cities BSA = immediate CTD. I know this because I downloaded the full Better Cities OMOD without the resources and thats what I got. I could use the excuse that the name is misleading but its not really... I just didn't read the readme ~guilty grin~

Recon that any better cities patch or ESP looks for that straight away, much in the same way any of the Dragon Captions major mods (thinking specifically Sutch Reborn here - great mod btw) looks for their resources pack (wich once again is ace) and shoots down your game before it can even bring up the Bethesda Softworks logo if it can't find it.

 

Jen

[Xeth989]

@bben46

I probably should have mentioned it, but I have the GOTY edition (1.2.0416), so there's no need to upgrade to the latest patch (other than the unofficial patch, which I've done), and I also have KOTN and SI properly installed. I also have installed OBSE, it was the first mod I installed. I also stated I used the obse_loader.exe to start up my game in my post.

 

And yes, it worked after doing a clean install of just the game itself with no mods whatsoever. I did test it to make sure it wasn't a bad install (I don't know how often those come about, but I don't want to accidentally get one and not test for it).

 

Limited hard drive space drove me away from wanting to make a copy of my Data folder, but then again, it can't be very large if it's just vanilla Oblivion. I'll have to keep that in mind.

 

Also going to take a look at the link you have in your post, it might help.

 

@Jenrai

I've never installed the Better Cities Resource pack, nor do I have any mods that require the Better Cities resource pack, other than Bashed Patch and possibly the Item and Cobl .bsa's, only because they are compatible with it, they're going to say they require it to run, but they're really just saying they'll work with that mod's resources if it were installed.

 

Although, just to make sure I'm not misinterpreting what you're saying, I'll go check out the Better Cities Resources mod and see what it does, and if it's something I actually might need (even though my last install didn't require it).