jaosals42 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Human beings are superior to animals, no matter the type or qualifiers. When faced with survival, humans will prey on other animals or one another. I've seen it first hand. If any of you were handed a loaded gun and given the choice of killing an animal or a human being, that choice would be clear. Forget the legal or moral/religious consequences, who is going to die? So yes, the life of an animal is ALWAYS expendable when confronted with the alternative of a human being dying. When given the choice between the death of a loved one or the death of a stranger, what would the choice be? Research or not, humans come first. Human beings live at the expense of lower life forms and one another. To have high-minded Greek ideals is all well and good, and those ideals have nothing to do with human survival. It is what it is. To claim otherwise is folly. BUT as human beings we need to weigh the aspects of what is REQUIRED and what is superfluous tinkering or experimentation. As the top species on this planet we are duty bound to do the right thing. People first, everything after that...well...sorry about your spot on the wheel of life. Not saying you're like this exactly, but it's people who act/think like this that disgusts me about the whole issue. Animals are living, breating beings that feel and have emotions (maybe to a lesser extent than we do, but it's still there) just like we humans do. Have you guys ever noticed that when something is going wrong in the household, your pet dog/cat will join the rest of the family and carry an expression to emphasize the situation? Someone just died in the family and everyone is mourning. The dog/cat joins the family and carries a sad expression themself... The only real difference between them and us is a slightly smaller brain and about 20% difference in genes. Otherwise, they're all just like we are, and deserve the same treatments as we deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kungfubellydancer Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I'm not responding to any post here, only the original poster's title topic. I believe that using animals for pharmaceutical research is a CRUCIAL aspect of valid research and must be used. To find out why, let's consider the following scenario. There is a new drug a drug company has created to cure stomach pain. Due to popular demand, they've decided not to use the product on animals and instead hire about one thousand human beings between the ages of 2-75 to test the product. To their horror they discover that two or more of the ingredients in the drug are incompatible and create a fatal reaction in the body of the patient. More than 50% of the testers die. Some of these testers are even children. These are human beings that died. This problem could have easily been solved simply by testing this drug on rats or rabbits. That way, 50% of these animals would perish as a result of the major flaw, and not humans. So consider which is more important to you. The souls of humans or the souls of animals (or the lack thereof, because animals are not capable of choice)? Are you willing to risk the lives of humans just to protect a bunch of cloned, disposable laboratory tools, which test animals are no matter what you think of them to be? Who's going to be responsible? Are the drug companies going to risk lawsuits? If I had absolute control over the field of medical and pharmaceutical testing, I would NOT under ANY circumstances remove animals from the scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balagor Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Human beings are superior to animals, no matter the type or qualifiers. When faced with survival, humans will prey on other animals or one another. I've seen it first hand. If any of you were handed a loaded gun and given the choice of killing an animal or a human being, that choice would be clear. Forget the legal or moral/religious consequences, who is going to die? So yes, the life of an animal is ALWAYS expendable when confronted with the alternative of a human being dying. When given the choice between the death of a loved one or the death of a stranger, what would the choice be? Research or not, humans come first. Human beings live at the expense of lower life forms and one another. To have high-minded Greek ideals is all well and good, and those ideals have nothing to do with human survival. It is what it is. To claim otherwise is folly. BUT as human beings we need to weigh the aspects of what is REQUIRED and what is superfluous tinkering or experimentation. As the top species on this planet we are duty bound to do the right thing. People first, everything after that...well...sorry about your spot on the wheel of life. Superior in what way? Humans are the only species that, together with fungi and bacteria, starve away all their live support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrophy2 Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 Human beings are superior to animals, no matter the type or qualifiers. When faced with survival, humans will prey on other animals or one another. I've seen it first hand. If any of you were handed a loaded gun and given the choice of killing an animal or a human being, that choice would be clear. Forget the legal or moral/religious consequences, who is going to die? So yes, the life of an animal is ALWAYS expendable when confronted with the alternative of a human being dying. When given the choice between the death of a loved one or the death of a stranger, what would the choice be? Research or not, humans come first. Human beings live at the expense of lower life forms and one another. To have high-minded Greek ideals is all well and good, and those ideals have nothing to do with human survival. It is what it is. To claim otherwise is folly. BUT as human beings we need to weigh the aspects of what is REQUIRED and what is superfluous tinkering or experimentation. As the top species on this planet we are duty bound to do the right thing. People first, everything after that...well...sorry about your spot on the wheel of life. Not saying you're like this exactly, but it's people who act/think like this that disgusts me about the whole issue. Animals are living, breathing beings that feel and have emotions (maybe to a lesser extent than we do, but it's still there) just like we humans do. Have you guys ever noticed that when something is going wrong in the household, your pet dog/cat will join the rest of the family and carry an expression to emphasize the situation? Someone just died in the family and everyone is mourning. The dog/cat joins the family and carries a sad expression themself... The only real difference between them and us is a slightly smaller brain and about 20% difference in genes. Otherwise, they're all just like we are, and deserve the same treatments as we deserve.Before hand saying now if you are offended i am sorry it was not my intent to offend you Humans are not animals we may be related but we are not animals the real difference between us and them is emotion we have no clue if they have or ever will have emotions because they are not intelligent some people say thats a lie animals are intelligent well if thats true what have they done for them selves hm? nothing i dont see them bettering thems selves making things evrything that makes them intelligent is what we taught them humans are superior we are the top of the food chain and we earned that title because we are smart we sought to better ourselves animals dont and that is why we use them because an animals life doesnt come close to being half of a human life due to the fact that they are animals it is the place of the weak to die for the strong only the strong can survive poeple say no thats not true it is true and it always has been the day our Cro-Magnon ancesters wiped out the neanderthals from exsistence we killed the weaker ones because they were not fit to live they were weak and had no right to exist among us the same goes for animals thogh they have a place among human society I will say it agian if you were offended by this i am sorry it is and never was my intent to offend you in any way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezdimona Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 We as a species harm not only our kind, but everything else that is within our power. Sadly true> And some go out of their way to do so. Doesn't speak to greatly for the highest form off animal on the planet does it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrophy2 Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 We as a species harm not only our kind, but everything else that is within our power. Sadly true> And some go out of their way to do so. Doesn't speak to greatly for the highest form off animal on the planet does it!Yes it does to intimidate the weak is to be strong didnt you read what i said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaosals42 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Human beings are superior to animals, no matter the type or qualifiers. When faced with survival, humans will prey on other animals or one another. I've seen it first hand. If any of you were handed a loaded gun and given the choice of killing an animal or a human being, that choice would be clear. Forget the legal or moral/religious consequences, who is going to die? So yes, the life of an animal is ALWAYS expendable when confronted with the alternative of a human being dying. When given the choice between the death of a loved one or the death of a stranger, what would the choice be? Research or not, humans come first. Human beings live at the expense of lower life forms and one another. To have high-minded Greek ideals is all well and good, and those ideals have nothing to do with human survival. It is what it is. To claim otherwise is folly. BUT as human beings we need to weigh the aspects of what is REQUIRED and what is superfluous tinkering or experimentation. As the top species on this planet we are duty bound to do the right thing. People first, everything after that...well...sorry about your spot on the wheel of life. Not saying you're like this exactly, but it's people who act/think like this that disgusts me about the whole issue. Animals are living, breathing beings that feel and have emotions (maybe to a lesser extent than we do, but it's still there) just like we humans do. Have you guys ever noticed that when something is going wrong in the household, your pet dog/cat will join the rest of the family and carry an expression to emphasize the situation? Someone just died in the family and everyone is mourning. The dog/cat joins the family and carries a sad expression themself... The only real difference between them and us is a slightly smaller brain and about 20% difference in genes. Otherwise, they're all just like we are, and deserve the same treatments as we deserve.Before hand saying now if you are offended i am sorry it was not my intent to offend you Humans are not animals we may be related but we are not animals the real difference between us and them is emotion we have no clue if they have or ever will have emotions because they are not intelligent some people say thats a lie animals are intelligent well if thats true what have they done for them selves hm? nothing i dont see them bettering thems selves making things evrything that makes them intelligent is what we taught them humans are superior we are the top of the food chain and we earned that title because we are smart we sought to better ourselves animals dont and that is why we use them because an animals life doesnt come close to being half of a human life due to the fact that they are animals it is the place of the weak to die for the strong only the strong can survive poeple say no thats not true it is true and it always has been the day our Cro-Magnon ancesters wiped out the neanderthals from exsistence we killed the weaker ones because they were not fit to live they were weak and had no right to exist among us the same goes for animals thogh they have a place among human society I will say it agian if you were offended by this i am sorry it is and never was my intent to offend you in any way I'm not offended personally, though I have to say you're wrong. Humans are animals just like dogs are animals. We and our "high-and-mighty" selves think we to be far above animals when really, we are no different in most ways. If we're not animals, then what are we? Plants? There are only three forms of life on earth: Plants, Bacteria, and Animals. Which one are we? Well, we don't sit around sipping water from the ground and making oxygen (we consume it rather), so we're not plants. We aren't microscopic and single-celled, so we can't be bacteria. So the only thing left is animals, which we are, just more "intelligent" than animals. And animals besides humans are intelligent. If animals were not intelligent, they'd be unable to communicate, groom one another, form languages based on symbols and actions (bees and birds anyone?), cry out in pain or attack when abused or harassed, find there own food, even build there own homes (beavers). They may not be able to think abstractly about that last complex mathematical equation or why the IRS is so corrupt, but they still have some forms of intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrophy2 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share Posted December 14, 2009 Human beings are superior to animals, no matter the type or qualifiers. When faced with survival, humans will prey on other animals or one another. I've seen it first hand. If any of you were handed a loaded gun and given the choice of killing an animal or a human being, that choice would be clear. Forget the legal or moral/religious consequences, who is going to die? So yes, the life of an animal is ALWAYS expendable when confronted with the alternative of a human being dying. When given the choice between the death of a loved one or the death of a stranger, what would the choice be? Research or not, humans come first. Human beings live at the expense of lower life forms and one another. To have high-minded Greek ideals is all well and good, and those ideals have nothing to do with human survival. It is what it is. To claim otherwise is folly. BUT as human beings we need to weigh the aspects of what is REQUIRED and what is superfluous tinkering or experimentation. As the top species on this planet we are duty bound to do the right thing. People first, everything after that...well...sorry about your spot on the wheel of life. Not saying you're like this exactly, but it's people who act/think like this that disgusts me about the whole issue. Animals are living, breathing beings that feel and have emotions (maybe to a lesser extent than we do, but it's still there) just like we humans do. Have you guys ever noticed that when something is going wrong in the household, your pet dog/cat will join the rest of the family and carry an expression to emphasize the situation? Someone just died in the family and everyone is mourning. The dog/cat joins the family and carries a sad expression themself... The only real difference between them and us is a slightly smaller brain and about 20% difference in genes. Otherwise, they're all just like we are, and deserve the same treatments as we deserve.Before hand saying now if you are offended i am sorry it was not my intent to offend you Humans are not animals we may be related but we are not animals the real difference between us and them is emotion we have no clue if they have or ever will have emotions because they are not intelligent some people say thats a lie animals are intelligent well if thats true what have they done for them selves hm? nothing i dont see them bettering thems selves making things evrything that makes them intelligent is what we taught them humans are superior we are the top of the food chain and we earned that title because we are smart we sought to better ourselves animals dont and that is why we use them because an animals life doesnt come close to being half of a human life due to the fact that they are animals it is the place of the weak to die for the strong only the strong can survive poeple say no thats not true it is true and it always has been the day our Cro-Magnon ancesters wiped out the neanderthals from exsistence we killed the weaker ones because they were not fit to live they were weak and had no right to exist among us the same goes for animals thogh they have a place among human society I will say it agian if you were offended by this i am sorry it is and never was my intent to offend you in any way I'm not offended personally, though I have to say you're wrong. Humans are animals just like dogs are animals. We and our "high-and-mighty" selves think we to be far above animals when really, we are no different in most ways. If we're not animals, then what are we? Plants? There are only three forms of life on earth: Plants, Bacteria, and Animals. Which one are we? Well, we don't sit around sipping water from the ground and making oxygen (we consume it rather), so we're not plants. We aren't microscopic and single-celled, so we can't be bacteria. So the only thing left is animals, which we are, just more "intelligent" than animals. And animals besides humans are intelligent. If animals were not intelligent, they'd be unable to communicate, groom one another, form languages based on symbols and actions (bees and birds anyone?), cry out in pain or attack when abused or harassed, find there own food, even build there own homes (beavers). They may not be able to think abstractly about that last complex mathematical equation or why the IRS is so corrupt, but they still have some forms of intelligence.Yes but can they build a computer? hm? no they cant and dont say that i cant either because thats different can they use machineary? hm? no they have value in society and that is food and test subjects now if you were offended i am sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrmaad Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) Yes but can they build a computer? hm? no they cant and dont say that i cant either because thats different can they use machineary? hm? no they have value in society and that is food and test subjects now if you were offended i am sorry Why on earth would the ability to use machinery make a bit of difference? In fact, the very fact that you see it this way makes me have zero value for you in society. The fact that man is nakedly in need of assistance via machinery to sustain life is in fact a reason you could see man as inferior. But if I had my way, you'd be terminated for this kind of thinking. :whistling: Be glad I'm not in charge of the universe. Edited December 14, 2009 by myrmaad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrophy2 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share Posted December 14, 2009 Yes but can they build a computer? hm? no they cant and dont say that i cant either because thats different can they use machineary? hm? no they have value in society and that is food and test subjects now if you were offended i am sorry Why on earth would the ability to use machinery make a bit of difference? In fact, the very fact that you see it this way makes me have zero value for you in society. The fact that man is nakedly in need of assistance via machinery to sustain life is in fact a reason you could see man as inferior. But if I had my way, you'd be terminated for this kind of thinking. :whistling: Be glad I'm not in charge of the universe.We need not the machine we are humans we are superior it seems it is i against the world at this point i would like you to know if i recieve a strike for this i probaly deserved it but please do not ban me it is not and never was my intent to offend readers... if that is how you want it fine be like peta be eco-terrorists spray paint peoples homes and beat them down because we think for ourselves we are humans the reason we are here is because we cut our strings lost feelings for our animal brothers and cut them down if you had rather a human be tested for dangerous drugs why dont you sign up and save the life of an all important rat I would like to state again it is and never was my intent to offend readers if you were i am sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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