Quick Question

[Matoyak]

Hate to create a thread simply for this minor of a question, but it deals with load order. I have the latest OBMM, BOSS, OBSE, and Wrye Bash. I run everything I can through Wrye Bash with OBSE. Anyways, on to the question.

BOSS (updated Master List as of December) puts Deadly Reflexes Up above the LAME additions, which is right above the Bashed Patch. This is contrary to what I have been told in that Deadly Reflex needs to be loaded AFTER the Bashed Patch. Which is correct?

Also, BOSS has no idea where to place "AoshisStealthEntrances.esp" and the creator said it doesn't matter, so I placed it right after the Hackdirt one.

Another question: BOSS complains about the Tamriellic Travellers not being "TamrielTravellers4OOO" however, the creator of Tamriellic Travellers claims that all FCOM/OOO clashes have been fixed in this latest version, if I read it correctly...that said, I also cannot find any place to download TamrielTravellers4OOO or an older version to get said esp. So far I have seen the travellers, I am pretty sure, and have bought items from them. So it seems to be working fine...and Wrye Bash does not complain about any incompatibilities...

 

Here is my mod order according to BOSS/Wrye Bash, if it would help with anything. I have been manually moving Deadly Reflex down right below the Bashed Patch and right above Streamline myself, but BOSS has been telling me it should go here for a while now, and I have decided to simply ASK which is correct. Thank y'all for y'all's help! :D

 

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]
05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]
06  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]
07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]
08  HorseCombatMaster.esm
09  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
0A  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0B  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
0C  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
0D  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
0F  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp
10  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
11  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp
12  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
13  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
14  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
15  Fran Armor Add-on.esp
16  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
17  Dreadweave Complete_Light.esp
18  That's so Nico v1.1.esp
19  ExnemRuneskulls.esp
1A  FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
1B  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
1C  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
1D  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
1E  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]
1F  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
20  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
21  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
22  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
23  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
24  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
25  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
26  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]
27  OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp  [Version 1.33]
28  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
29  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]
2A  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
2B  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
2C  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
2D  FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
2E  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
2F  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
30  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
31  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
32  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
33  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
34  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
35  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
36  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
37  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.39c]
38  TamrielTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]
39  TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp  [Version 1.39c]
3A  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]
3B  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.esp  [Version 1.39c]
3C  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
3D  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
3E  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
3F  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
40  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
41  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
42  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]
43  GTAesgaard.esp
44  hackdirtabyss.esp
45  AoshisStealthEntrances.esp
46  Knights.esp
47  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
48  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
49  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
4A  FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
4B  JQ-Fighters_Guild_United.esp
4C  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
4D  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
4E  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
4F  Oblivifall - Something's Not Right.esp  [Version 1.0]
50  Ring of console.esp
51  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
52  MidasSpells.esp
53  RenGuardOverhaul.esp
54  RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp
55  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
56  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
57  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]
58  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
59  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]
++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]
++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]
**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Beautification.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]
++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]
5A  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]
++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]
**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]
**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]
5B  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
5C  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]
5D  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
5E  Streamline 3.1.esp

Thanks for y'all's help, and apologies for the long post! :biggrin: :unsure: :confused:

[bben46]

All of the various load orders are suggestions, not set in stone. (Not even BOSS is right all of the time.) Basically, if it works for you, then it's right for you. And may not work for someone else that has 'Almost' the same mods.

 

I am not familiar with the BG mods, and have no clue where they should be placed.

 

The bash patch goes at - or near the end as it modifies other mods. If there is no modification in the patch that affects a particular mod, then there is no reason that mod cannot be loaded after the bash patch.

 

Deadly Reflex modifies a lot of stuff in the game, and needs to override many other mods, and so it needs to be near or at the end also.

 

Streamline changes things like graphics settings on the fly, (it degrades graphic features for higher FPS) and so must be loaded after any other mod that makes any changes to the way graphics are handled.

 

As far as I know, none of these three affect any of the others and so can be loaded at the end in any order. If I am wrong, someone please let me know.

[Matoyak]

Yeah, that is what I thought, but then I figured "well, maybe deadly reflexes will need to affect the changes in the Bashed Patch?" and then I thought "well maybe the Bashed Patch needs to modify some things about Deadly Reflexes..."

 

So in the end, I've been running it where BOSS decided to put it with no ill effects so far, so I'll see exactly How long that lasts until it crashes and burns, if it ever does :)

 

Thanks for the reply! :D