Tenpenny Tower Crashing & Load Order

[Nekrocow]

Whenever I try to get into the Tenpenny Tower my game crashes, probably because of a mod. Can anyone help me with the load order / conflicting mod? Can I merge two or more esps that change different things to reduce the amount of files and simplify the load order?

 

I'm using Fallout Vanilla (no DLCs) and this is my Load Order:

 

[X] Fallout3.esm

[X] Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm

[X] CALIBR.esm

[X] FOOK2 - Main.esm

[X] FOOK2 - [W4NK] World And Neighbourhood Kit.esm

[X] Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm

[X] FOOK2 - Main.esp

[X] ContractKiller.esp

[X] MegatonBombDefuse.esp (download link doesn't exist anymore)

[X] Scenic_Loading_Background.esp

[X] showskills.esp

[X] Auto Aim Fix v1.1.esp

[X] Barkskin.esp

[X] VATS - MCE.esp

[X] KillableKidsNormalHealthOptional.esp

[X] ROTS3.esp

[X] FollowersRelax.esp

[X] Bobbleheads Begone.esp

[X] Sensible Dismemberment.esp

[X] ACE2-0.esp

[X] AddBottle.esp

[X] WastelandMastery.esp

[X] GalaxyNewsRadio100[M].esp

[X] bittercup_comp.esp

[X] RealFragGrenade.esp

[X] Wired Reflexes.esp

[X] Sniper Perk.esp

[X] Gunslinger.esp

[X] Commando Perk.esp

[X] Mysterious Stranger Tweaks 1.0.esp

[X] Better Companions NonEss.esp

[X] Fellout-Full.esp

[X] Fellout-pipboylight.esp

[X] More Hotkeys.esp

[X] PCB.esp

[X] Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm (now below W4nk)

[X] Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.esp

[X] Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp

[X] Enhanced Weather - Sneak Bonus during Storms.esp

[X] Dogmeat Leather Armor - no crafting.esp

[X] Devour Gore.esp

[X] 7_HolsterForHandGunsV1_1.esp

[X] LightsOut.esp

[X] BLTC.esp

[X] BLTC Immersion Patch.esp

[X] Realistic Chems.esp

[X] Burnification.esp

[X] Slower Degradation (-80%).esp

[X] JHB Workbench Repairs.esp

[X] Arwen_Tweaks_Main.esp

[X] Arwen_XPR.esp

[X] Arwen_SmarterAI.esp

[X] Arwen_Default_Skills.esp

[X] XFO_Playstyles.esp

[X] WeaponModKits.esp

[X] WeaponModKits - FOOK.esp

[X] TR4F2_v3-FOOK2-WMK.esp

[X] TR4F2_v3-Bulletspeed.esp

[X] ClassicCarryWeight.esp

[X] SpeedMod-WalkRunFast.esp

[X] SG_SkillBooksRedux.esp

[X] RadioTenpenny.esp

[X] SpeedyPowerArmor.esp

[X] RemoteControlCompanions.esp

[X] Darkuther1986_More_Damage.esp

[X] BoS_DX.esp

[X] Outcast DX.esp

[X] TUPAM.esp

[X] Confessor Cromwell has a Break_EV.esp

[X] DarNifiedUIF3.esp

[X] PIDL-lite.esp

 

 

Any suggestions are welcomed :D

[joey2176]

You have to have all of your ESM's at the top of the load order. (Rain and Snow esm needs to be loaded before all of your other esp's.

[Nekrocow]

I don't think that's the main problem but I'm correcting it anyway, thanks :D

[joey2176]

Make sure you are using Fo3Edit, Fomm and Fose.

 

 

Fallout mod manager.

 

http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=640

 

FOSE

 

http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=8606

 

 

FO3 Edit

 

http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=637

 

 

Miax's great tutorial.

 

http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=8629

 

Running master update should help if you are not doing that already.

[Nekrocow]

I'm already using FOMM and FOSE, still a noob with FO3 Edit.

[joey2176]

FO3Edit is a saving grace. A must have utility for running a load order like yours. Learning how to run master update or create a merged patch is relatively simple. Just follow Miax's tutorial.

[mechine]

Heck turn on bullettime mode, an enter the door.

 

 

 

Update grapics card drivers to current from the company that made it

 

Install to C:bethesda not C:/program files/bethesda

 

 

Patch to 1.7

 

 

install

 

 

GECK

 

GECK update

 

FOMM

 

FOSE

 

FO3edit

 

 

Defrag the hard drive Fallout is 6Gb vanilla like up to 20Gb modded

 

 

And you know post update, block GFWL from the internet via the firewall, if you want

 

 

Once it's all installed, you want to launch fallout 3 Via FOMM

 

 

Which FOMM will launch FOSE if it detects it

 

 

 

Congrads you no longer need the disc to be in the drive, an GFWL won't launch anymore

 

 

 

Now that it will launch,

 

use the fallout default launcher (yeah need the disc for that one)

 

You're just changing the settings for grapics with the default launcher from now on

 

Something you'll probably want is to turn AA an AF off (perfromance)

 

then open your Grapics card driver

 

Force AA via the setting override any application setting

 

then pick whatever AA an AF you want, you can pick higher settings this way

 

which won't hurt perfromance, I run around on SLI 32XQ without a drop in FPS

 

But it's higher quality AA an AF anyway, it's opposiste from every other game

 

so this only works on Fallout 3

 

 

 

Read the tweek guide, the whole thing an make good choices depending on your system

 

Also look in Nexus for pinned threads, as it's the best guide

 

http://www.tweakguides.com/Fallout3_1.html The tweek guide

 

it deals with the default launcher grapics settings, and also the

 

fallout.ini files located in mydocuments/games/fallout3 (notepad files)

 

 

 

 

Now that you have fallout 3 tweeked to hell an back

 

 

You use the RAOTW method (random A**hole of the wastes)

 

create a player, an go run around in the wasteland starting S**T an trying to make

 

the game crash, or stutter, you want it to be really smooth with only a small amount of

 

FPS stutter, also a good time to reduce any mouse lag if there is any.

 

 

 

Normal patched Fallout 3 will crash or CTD sometimes, but it shouldn't happen a whole lot.

 

 

Once you figure out whatever it is you needed to figure out in order to get it to run smooth

 

 

Install the DLC's (yeah they are totally worth it)

 

 

They load first after the fallout3.esm from now on

 

 

Make another RAOTW an go run around try to make it crash again.

 

 

Download mods, a poop ton of whatever you want.

 

 

Bear in mind the more simple it is, the better it will run until you learn how to fix a 250 mod load order

 

If you want a whole lot of game time with little problems then you need to get simple stuff that doesn't conflict

 

or just a small amount of mods, to start with maybe 50 or so, but that many you'll need to use FO3edit to resolve any problems

 

 

Which there's a new tutorial which was webensized from the old tutorial of FO3edit (the old one was 200 pages)

 

the new one is interactive, an you can work your way thru it as you are doing things to fix your load order

 

http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=9616 be sure to thank CSB

 

 

 

Now it's not that easy, you have to learn how to install mods, which can be tricky when you start

 

there's a pinned topic on the subject, and it's located in this tech support forum I think, but yeah

 

you'll want to read that, as well as any read me's you come across, one thing that will help is ignore

 

an mention of archive invaildiation (which is now invalidated)

 

 

FOMM has a built in Archive invaildation invalidated, which you toggle on an apply with a button

 

an to my knowlege you only have to do it once.

 

 

Okay so you've done this ton of work.

 

Now start a real game, not a RAOTW,

 

 

GET thru the first part, when you get out into the wasteland

 

You'll want to not move for a bit and let all the scripts or DLC's start up

 

Once the system catches up, you'll probably want to go find a small CELL

 

which is just a word for inside room, small cell with no npc's in it

 

then, you'll want to either wait 4 days so MMM can start up

 

or change the settings for your mods that use FOSE, like ingame options for mods

 

maybe even ~showracemenu an go over your charicter again, ~ is the console

 

it's above the left tab, you bring it up an give commands to the game engine

 

you might want to ~TFC which will let you fly the camera around an check out your charicter

 

 

Later on you might want to ~PCB which will purge the cell buffer, corupt data can get into the cell buffer

 

with all the crazy stuff we can do with mods, but sometimes PCB can be dangerous an crash the system

 

but heh the computers system cache can go corupt at any time although mostly it's after a long game

 

You never want to quick save or auto save, disable all that autosave stuff, each time you want to press ESC

 

which pauses the game, then create new save, which creates a full save, not a partial save like the others.

 

 

Save games can go corupt, an can be going corupt for up to an hour before you actually crash, which means

 

they can be locked into save games, where next time you load that save, it's already corupt, locked in

 

the only thing you can do is roll back to the privious save, until it's gone, which is why you never delete any of your save games

 

until you are ready to delete them all. Also never remove or add a mod in the load order or even change the load order

 

until you are ready to delete all your save games an start over...

 

 

 

 

I played vanilla fallout without any mods, and without even any patches for about 3 months an I didn't have many problems

 

I had issues, but just like other games, once I started using mods the problems happened more, but we have come a long way

 

something like 95% of the crashes are gone now thanks to everyone's hard work, but you have to learn a whole lot an do a lot

 

of work yourself to get there, and to get the long games.

[Nekrocow]

Read the FO3 Edit Guide and managed to correct the crash :D

 

Now, for some reason, I can't make the MUM :S

 

I got these errors:

 

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/2910/cantmakethemum.png

 

How can I solve them?

[RinereN]

9 years later, I still got the same problem.