follower ai braindead

[ricez]

My followers have no reaction when i am being attacked. Jaufree and martin wont even get off their horses. My partners from CM partners just take out their weapons and "push" the enemy by walking towards them. Summoned and enemy ai work just fine. Any ideas to whats causing this problem? Thanks for any help.

[Kusumura]

Could be a conflict of mods; Always handy to post up a list of your mods first thing.

If you have Jauffre and Martin recruited (Since they aren't CM partners, I'm going to hazard a guess at Talkie Toaster's Companion Share and Recruit?) it may be that their Vanilla AI is commanding them to do one thing, but the CSR's scripting is ordering them to do another?

 

Companion mods never seem to work out too well for me, so I avoid them.. won't say I'm an expert in this sort of problem, but maybe if we put our heads together, we'll figure out what it is?

 

Another thing to do is tweak around your load order (Using OBMM (Oblivion Mod Manager), BOSS (Better Oblivion Sorting Software), and similar utilities) with the key ingredient in mind that whatever is closer to the bottom of the list is what takes priority, as it is loaded AFTER, and therefore overwrites, anything before it.

[ricez]

no im just on the kvatch quest part. i use wrye bash's balo system to sort my mods.

 

Even the guards patrolling the roads are sometimes bugged. They wont aid me when im being attacked.

also sometimes the role will be reversed and the enemies become braindead.

 

here is my mod list

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  CM Partners.esm
02  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]
03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]
04  Better Cities Resources.esm
05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
06  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
07  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
08  Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm
09  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]
==  ROOT=====================
0A  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0B  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
0C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
==  LIBRARY==================
0D  CM Partners.esp
0E  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
==  COSMETIC=================
0F  Beautiful People.esp
==  OVERHAUL=================
10  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]
==  MISC.====================
11  DLCHorseArmor.esp
12  DLCOrrery.esp
13  DLCSpellTomes.esp
==  HOME=====================
14  DLCThievesDen.esp
15  DLCVileLair.esp
==  PLACE====================
16  Crowded Cities 15.esp
17  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
==  QUEST====================
18  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
19  Knights.esp
==  NONE=====================
1A  DLCfrostcrag.esp
1B  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp
1C  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
1D  RealisticForceLow.esp
1E  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
1F  Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.esp
20  DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp
21  DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp
22  Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp
23  Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
24  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
++  Francesco's day lenght rescale 1-16.esp
25  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
26  Francesco's More Wilderness Life.esp
27  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
28  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
29  Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Loot.esp
2A  Francesco's Optional House Chest Loot.esp
2B  Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp
++  Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp
2C  Martigen's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
2D  MaleBodyReplacerV3.esp
2E  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.0.1]
2F  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp  [Version 2.1.0]
30  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 2.1.0]
31  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp  [Version 2.1.0]
32  Streamline 3.0.esp
33  personality_idles4.esp
34  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
35  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
36  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
37  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
38  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
39  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
3A  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
3B  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
3C  pizz_NINJA_outfit.esp
++  FCOM_EntropicOrderHardcore.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
3D  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]
3E  Luchaire's Neck Seam Concealer.esp
3F  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]
40  BlackLuster.esp
41  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
42  SW01.esp
43  Oblivion_SI Vwalk Full.esp
44  SW01Plus.esp
++  SexyPlOneHand.esp
45  Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
46  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
47  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
48  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
49  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
4A  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
4B  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
4C  DLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.esp
4D  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
4E  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.esp
4F  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
50  Knights Vwalk UOP.esp
51  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.2]
52  StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp
53  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp
54  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]
55  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
56  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
57  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
58  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
59  Living Economy.esp
5A  Living Economy - Items.esp
5B  Cutthroat Merchants.esp
5C  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
5D  CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
5E  CM Partners More NPCs.esp
5F  CM Partners NPC.esp
60  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
61  Akaviri Imports.esp
62  Better Cities .esp
++  RealWalk.esp
63  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
64  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
65  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
**  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
66  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
67  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
68  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
69  KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
6A  _Ren_BeautyPack_full + Soya's hair.esp
6B  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]
6C  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]
6D  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]
6E  Better Cities Full.esp
6F  Better Imperial City.esp
70  Better Cities and IC Vwalk.esp
71  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
72  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
73  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
74  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
75  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creature Skins.esp
76  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO+FCOM.esp
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Increased Spawn Rates.esp
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp
77  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
78  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
79  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
7A  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
7B  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
7C  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
7D  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
7E  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
7F  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
80  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
81  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
82  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
83  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
84  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
85  ElaborateEyes.esp

[proutos]

I don't know CM partners, but i use personal comps i created, who work well.

 

To attack, comps should be in the PlayerFaction, have 5 or more in Aggression, and less than 100 in Responsibility. Uncheking the Defense box in their Package can also help.

 

You may check your esp or esm and see if your comps fit these conditions.

[ricez]

Well i dont think the responsibility is the problem. They are more on and off with the attacks. Sometimes they would stand there at the start of the battle and join in mid battle.

[David Brasher]

There is a bit of a controversy on the follower limit. Some say that you can only have a certain number of followers. Like maybe three. Any more and some of them might misbehave. What about Everscamps? That is sort of like four followers. But maybe they are just summonings. What about Kvatch? I remember having four vanilla followers at one point.

 

But Oblivion does seem to glitch more frequently and more badly the more complex it is made to be. Sometimes followers fixate upon one enemy they can't get to. That is the only enemy they will fight and they ignore the one in reach who is beating them up. Sometimes they have really bad reaction times. They let the enemy hit them a few times before they draw their weapon. Sometimes they have bad eyesight and take forever to see an enemy.

 

I am not sure if your game is "operating as designed" (a euphemism for all screwed up, but working properly) or if you have mod problems. If it is really annoying you, you might try removing mods until the problem goes away to pinpoint the mod that works badly for you.

[leetgamer]

Well i dont think the responsibility is the problem. They are more on and off with the attacks. Sometimes they would stand there at the start of the battle and join in mid battle.

 

You are using a huge amount of mods, some of them being really big. There are countless possibilities to your problem, and I would advice you to do a clean install of Oblivion, remove all your mods then install them back one by one, and not to install the ones you don't need. If at some point your problem reappears then I'd check which mod I installed recently and disable it.

 

There might be other solutions to this, but this one is the most thorough and covers the entire area.

[DSoS]

I've found a few problems already, your using files that conflict with each other, if I recall, listed below:

 

 

23 Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp

24 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp

 

I think your supposed to only use one of these. get rid of the Cheat Bob's... .esp

------------

 

++ Francesco's day lenght rescale 1-16.esp

 

I personally don't use this, I think in the readme for FCOM it says don't use this. Use Wrye Bash option for this (what I do)

------------

 

++ FCOM_EntropicOrderHardcore.esp [Version 0.9.9]

3D FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]

 

Use ONLY ONE "Rebalanced" is rcommended

----------------

 

49 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]

4A Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

 

I'm not really sure, but these should go closer to the top of the load order (I keep mine there) (But I might be wrong on this) Any thoughts from anyone else?

--------------

 

 

55 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]

56 Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]

 

Don't use both, use one or the other

-------------

 

73 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

Should be the last thing to load (with a few exceptions, Deadly Reflex is one (unless its been changed now) but should still be the last to load)

 

-------------

 

There's a few others it seems like. Mainly with MMM load order. The following Load Order guide is by CorePC for installing the newest version of MMM 3.7b3p3:

 

http://pages.suddenlink.net/corepc/#LoadOrder

 

The entire guide is very well put together, helped me a lot with the newest version of MMM

 

 

--------------

 

I would highly suggest, that you to use BOSS inside of Wrye Bash (It brings up this nice little list of all your mods, and it tells you info about each mod (for most mods anyway)

 

Get those files cleaned up/out,

reorder your list with Boss

Post new load order again

 

and more help will come

 

--------------

 

On a side note, some of the mods you have (better cities, CM Partners), I haven't used yet so I'm not sure what they are, so I did NOT list those mods above

 

OH don't forget to rebuild the patch afterward too :)

 

 

EDIT:

 

Make sure you have the newest version of BOSS

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20516

 

and NOT all items will be properly set, I know that with the newest version of MMM 3.7b3p3, quite a few files won't set properly. (manually do this by hand with wrye bash or similar, using CorePC's guide link i gave above)

[ricez]

Sorry for the late response been busy because of the holiday and other events.

here is my revised load order:

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
03  Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm
04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]
06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]
07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]
08  Better Cities Resources.esm
09  CM Partners.esm
0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
0B  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
0C  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0E  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
0F  Better Cities .esp
10  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
11  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
12  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
13  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
14  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
15  Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
16  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
17  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
18  Luchaire's Neck Seam Concealer.esp
19  Living Economy.esp
1A  Living Economy - Items.esp
1B  Cutthroat Merchants.esp
1C  Crowded Cities 15.esp
1D  DLCHorseArmor.esp
1E  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
1F  DLCOrrery.esp
20  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
21  DLCVileLair.esp
22  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
23  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
24  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
25  DLCSpellTomes.esp
26  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
**  MaleBodyReplacerV3.esp
27  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
28  BlackLuster.esp
29  pizz_NINJA_outfit.esp
2A  StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp
2B  DLCThievesDen.esp
2C  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
2D  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
2E  Francesco's More Wilderness Life.esp
2F  Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Loot.esp
30  Francesco's Optional House Chest Loot.esp
31  Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp
++  Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp
32  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
33  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
34  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]
35  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]
36  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
37  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
38  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
39  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
3A  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]
3B  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]
3C  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
3D  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
3E  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]
3F  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
40  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
41  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
42  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Increased Spawn Rates.esp
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp
43  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
44  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
45  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
46  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
47  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creature Skins.esp
48  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
49  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
4A  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
4B  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
4C  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO+FCOM.esp
4D  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
4E  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]
4F  Akaviri Imports.esp
50  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
51  DLCfrostcrag.esp
**  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
52  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp
53  Knights.esp
54  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
55  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
56  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
57  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
58  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
59  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
5A  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
5B  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
5C  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
5D  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.0.1]
5E  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp  [Version 2.1.0]
5F  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp  [Version 2.1.0]
60  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 2.1.0]
61  RealisticForceLow.esp
62  Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp
63  personality_idles4.esp
64  SW01.esp
65  SW01Plus.esp
66  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
**  Nec-Character_Clair.esp
67  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.2]
**  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp
**  Exnem1 Moonwell and Mystic Night Elf.esp
**  Elves Of Lineage II.esp
68  Beautiful People.esp
**  IDKRRR_C_race.esp
**  Ren_Soya_KD's.esp
69  Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.esp
6A  _Ren_BeautyPack_full + Soya's hair.esp
6B  CM Partners.esp
6C  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
6D  CM Partners NPC.esp
6E  CM Partners More NPCs.esp
6F  CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
70  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
71  KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
72  Better Cities Full.esp
73  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
74  Better Imperial City.esp
75  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
76  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
77  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]
78  Martigen's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
79  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
7A  ElaborateEyes.esp
7B  Streamline 3.0.esp
==  NONE=====================
7C  DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp
7D  DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp
++  77_Umpa_Sexy_walk.esp
7E  Oblivion_SI Vwalk Full.esp
++  SexyPlOneHand.esp
7F  DLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.esp
80  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.esp
81  Knights Vwalk UOP.esp
82  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp
++  RealWalk.esp
83  Better Cities and IC Vwalk.esp

 

as for the flora mod, i read the mods page and both of them need to be enabled.

 

again thanks for any help.

[DSoS]

Sorry for the late response been busy because of the holiday and other events.

here is my revised load order:

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
03  Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm
04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]
06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]
07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]
08  Better Cities Resources.esm
09  CM Partners.esm
0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
0B  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
0C  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0E  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
0F  Better Cities .esp
10  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
11  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
12  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
13  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
14  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
15  Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
16  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
17  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
18  Luchaire's Neck Seam Concealer.esp
19  Living Economy.esp
1A  Living Economy - Items.esp
1B  Cutthroat Merchants.esp
1C  Crowded Cities 15.esp
1D  DLCHorseArmor.esp
1E  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
1F  DLCOrrery.esp
20  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
21  DLCVileLair.esp
22  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
23  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
24  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
25  DLCSpellTomes.esp
26  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
**  MaleBodyReplacerV3.esp
27  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
28  BlackLuster.esp
29  pizz_NINJA_outfit.esp
2A  StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp
2B  DLCThievesDen.esp
2C  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
2D  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
2E  Francesco's More Wilderness Life.esp
2F  Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Loot.esp
30  Francesco's Optional House Chest Loot.esp
31  Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp
++  Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp
32  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
33  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
34  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]
35  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]
36  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
37  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
38  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
39  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
3A  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]
3B  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]
3C  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
3D  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
3E  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]
3F  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
40  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
41  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
42  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Increased Spawn Rates.esp
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp
43  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
44  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
45  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
46  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
47  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creature Skins.esp
48  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
49  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
4A  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
4B  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
4C  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO+FCOM.esp
4D  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
4E  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]
4F  Akaviri Imports.esp
50  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
51  DLCfrostcrag.esp
**  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
52  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp
53  Knights.esp
54  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
55  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
56  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
57  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
58  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
59  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
5A  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
5B  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
5C  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
5D  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.0.1]
5E  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp  [Version 2.1.0]
5F  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp  [Version 2.1.0]
60  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 2.1.0]
61  RealisticForceLow.esp
62  Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp
63  personality_idles4.esp
64  SW01.esp
65  SW01Plus.esp
66  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
**  Nec-Character_Clair.esp
67  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.2]
**  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp
**  Exnem1 Moonwell and Mystic Night Elf.esp
**  Elves Of Lineage II.esp
68  Beautiful People.esp
**  IDKRRR_C_race.esp
**  Ren_Soya_KD's.esp
69  Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.esp
6A  _Ren_BeautyPack_full + Soya's hair.esp
6B  CM Partners.esp
6C  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
6D  CM Partners NPC.esp
6E  CM Partners More NPCs.esp
6F  CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
70  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
71  KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
72  Better Cities Full.esp
73  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
74  Better Imperial City.esp
75  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
76  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
77  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]
78  Martigen's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
79  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
7A  ElaborateEyes.esp
7B  Streamline 3.0.esp
==  NONE=====================
7C  DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp
7D  DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp
++  77_Umpa_Sexy_walk.esp
7E  Oblivion_SI Vwalk Full.esp
++  SexyPlOneHand.esp
7F  DLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.esp
80  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.esp
81  Knights Vwalk UOP.esp
82  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp
++  RealWalk.esp
83  Better Cities and IC Vwalk.esp

 

as for the flora mod, i read the mods page and both of them need to be enabled.

 

again thanks for any help.

 

Your right about harvest flora, my mistake, I apologize , good job on checking up on the mods I mentioned. :P

 

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** MaleBodyReplacerV3.esp

27 MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp

 

Make sure that these two mods don't conflict with each other, since one is a newer version.....(I personally don't use Robs Body Replacers, so I wouldn't be able to tell you or not)

 

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4E OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34] (I personally don't use OOO-Waterfish with MMM-DWL, I've had several issues using both, ctd's in water or close to water, after I removed OOO it stopped ctd'ing in/near water)

49 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

Make sure to use the updated version found HERE it takes care of floppy fish and other things, the post lists what it fixes.

 

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I don't know if you use BOSS, its very helpful to re-order you load list. Get it from HERE and make sure you get the latest MASTER list from the same place

Get these two files:

BOSS 1dot41 1st September 2009 (If you don't already have the Newest version that is)

Masterlist Update 2010 January 7th (make sure you get the newest one, when I posted this, Jan 07, 10 was the newest one. I check this page once a week to make sure that I'm updated on it :)

 

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A lot of the mods you have I haven't personally used, so I can't tell you or not if they are all compatible with each other (some one else might be able to), but do get the newest Boss Master List, and....

 

re-run the load order

Rebuild the patch

try running OB again to see if the problem remains

 

If it continues not to work, you might want to disable all the CM related item, re build patch, etc, and try that. It might work it might not.

 

if the problem remains I wouldn't know what else it could be.

 

good luck :)