Any Assistence Appreciated (yes, I read the how to request support sec

[ctserge]

I am having difficulty running Zumbs Lockpicking v1.2 OBSE onto one of my current save files. Whenever I load an old save, the fps slows to an unjustified unplayable crawl. I tried to do some troubleshooting on my own with my extremely limited knowledge of mods and technical issues. So I started using by appealing to my common sense and creating a new game. Surprised as I was, everything was fine and dandy. No lag, nothing; just clear and crisp gameplay. All the mods I have were playable from the minor tweaks to the major overhauls.

 

I didn't know what to do at this point because it seems that the issue is perhaps how the mod is applied to a current save? To be honest, I have no idea. I tried searching for strings with similar issues, but I couldn't find any. I highly highly doubt that I am the first to encounter such a problem.

 

I try to always create new saves when saving and delete old ones, but it the problem is consistent with all of my save files. The only remedy I know of at this point is to start a new game, but I would sooner delete it and continue with what I have then start a new game. I would truly appreciate it, if someone would let me know of a way to solve this problem without having to create a new game.

 

Running Oblivion GOTY edition (1.2 + SI + KotN) with OBSE v18 beta 4

 

Computer Specs:

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OS: Windows 7 64-bit

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo CPU T9900 @ 3.06GHz 3.07GHz

RAM: 4.0gb

Graphics: Nvidia Quadro FX 2700M

 

Mod Load Order

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00 Oblivion.esm

01 ScreenEffects.esm

02 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

03 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm

04 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]

05 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]

06 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]

07 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm

08 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]

09 AFC v2 Core.esm

0A Easy_Companion_Share.esm

0B HorseCombatMaster.esm

++ HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp

** TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp

** TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp

0C Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.3a]

0D UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]

0E DLCShiveringIsles.esp

0F Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]

10 SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp [Version 1.05]

11 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp

12 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp

13 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp

14 Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp

15 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp

++ Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp

++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]

16 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]

17 Fran Armor Add-on.esp

18 Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp

19 Natural_Weather_HDR_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael.esp

1A Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp

1B Enhanced Water v2.0 ND.esp

1C Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp

1D Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp

++ Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp [Version 0.1]

++ Symphony of Violence.esp

++ Hear-Me-Not.esp

++ Drum_Fix.esp

1E Cities Alive At Night.esp

1F IWR-Lights.esp

20 IWR-Shutters.esp

21 IWR - Windows Lights Shutters - Optimised.esp

22 AliveWaters.esp

23 AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp

24 AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp

25 AFC v2 Combo Chains.esp

26 AFC v2 Combat Moves.esp

27 AFC v2 Quick Powerattacks.esp

28 AFC v2 Damage Text.esp

29 AFC v2 Gauntlet Weaponry.esp

2A AFC v2 Locational Damage.esp

2B Musical Immersion 1.0.esp

2C Xero's Fame Indicator.esp

2D Living Economy.esp

2E Living Economy - Items.esp

++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp

2F 1AlexScorpionSneakingSuit.esp

30 Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp

31 Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp

32 ASlof'sBraceletsandClaws.esp

33 Assassin_Blade.esp

34 DBShadowSet.esp

35 Thieves Arsenal.esp

36 MD_Saddle_Bags_Lite_v2.esp

++ MD_Saddle_Bags_Accessories.esp

37 Slof's Horses Base.esp

38 HorseCommands.esp

39 MD_FasterHorseTurning.esp

++ cidnothump.esp

3A Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]

3B Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]

3C OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]

3D Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp

3E FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]

3F Oblivion WarCry EV.esp

40 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9]

41 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.33]

42 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]

43 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]

44 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]

45 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]

46 CurseOfHircine.esp

47 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

48 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

49 Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

4A Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

4B Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

4C Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]

4D allinonebasement.esp

4E AyleidArrows.esp [Version 1.8]

4F Nascosto Isles 3.esp

50 Knights.esp

51 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]

++ SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp [Version 1.06]

52 MannimarcoRevisited.esp

53 MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp [Version 0.1]

54 Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

55 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp

++ FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp [Version 0.9.9]

56 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.3]

57 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.1]

58 xulTheHeath.esp

59 XulEntiusGorge.esp

5A xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]

5B xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]

5C xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]

5D xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.3]

5E xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]

5F xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3]

60 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.1]

61 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]

62 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.1]

63 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.2]

64 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]

65 xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp [Version 1.3.2]

66 xulPantherRiver.esp

67 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.1]

68 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0.2]

69 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.3]

6A xulBlackwoodForest.esp

6B xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0]

6C Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp

++ 100% Harvest Chance.esp

6D P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]

6E MidasSpells.esp

6F Midas OscuroGems.esp

++ Midas Betterholy.esp

++ Midas Reduced Costs Quarter.esp

++ Midas PowDur1.5x.esp

++ Midas Eldrich Power 2x.esp

++ Midas Tigernolevel OBSE.esp

70 Midas BeastFortify Fix OBSE.esp

71 Weapon Magic.esp

72 Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block and 2.5x damage.esp

73 DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp

74 kuerteeNPCsYield.esp

75 Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp

76 Kobu's Personality Enhancer.esp

77 Kobu's Cure for Fatigue Mod.esp [Version 1.0.1]

78 Kobu's Lighter Backpack Mod.esp

++ Level_Rates_Modified_x2.esp

79 immersive_caves_manual.esp

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

7A Beautiful People.esp

7B bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]

++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]

++ bgMagicItemSigil.esp [Version 1.68EV]

++ bgMagicEVStartspells.esp [Version 1.68EV]

7C bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.7EV]

++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]

7D bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]

7E bgMagicAlchemy.esp [Version 1.57]

7F bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp [Version 1.68UV]

++ Francesco's day lenght rescale 1-20.esp

++ [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp

++ [GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.esp

++ [GFX]_Initial_Glow-creatures.esp

80 bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.7EV]

++ bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp [Version 1.68]

81 bgMagicLightningbolt.esp

++ ln.esp

82 Sno_DB 1.0_Full Version.esp

83 Sno_DBA 1.0.esp

84 Better Abandoned House.esp

85 Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp

86 Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary - Tripwires Stylized.esp

++ Visually Realistic Deadly Lava.esp

87 ZumbsLockPickingMod - OBSE.esp

88 ArianaTrudeaux.esp

++ GenericFaces_v1.1.esp

89 Streamline 3.1.esp

8A Bashed Patch, 0.esp

8B Duke Patricks - Basic Combat Training.esp

8C Duke Patricks - Smash of the Titans.esp

8D Duke Patrick's Old Man on the Mountain.esp

8E Duke Patricks - Magic you can believe in.esp

8F Duke Patricks - Friendship Ring For Companion Detection.esp

90 Duke Patrick's SCA style combat NO RECOIL Silver Edition 5p1.esp

91 Duke Patrick's more & better loot.esp

92 Duke Patricks - SCA Combat Archery.esp

93 Duke Patricks - HammerBlade.esp

++ Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.esp

 

Thank you for reading this topic and I apologize if it is deficient in any way.

 

Sincerely,

Raizen

[David Brasher]

Savegames often get corrupted. In some cases they are so bad you can't load them. If some of your savegames are lagged so bad that they crawl, but others aren't, then I would suspect corrupted savegames rather than your computer hardware or your mod combination. I don't know if you can really doctor savegames much. The usual solution is to play a different savegame and save over the bad one so you won't accidentally use it again. But if every single one of your savegames for that character is corrupted, you might be out of luck and have to start a new character. If you were a great modder and could understand the aspects of all the mods you were running and pinpoint the cause of lag, it might be possible to devise some console commands to salvage your savegames. But alas, you have a great many mods running.

 

I suppose you have tried disabling mods and waiting, and moving between worldspaces and all sorts of in-game stuff to see if the problem will just go away?

[ctserge]

I have seen warnings about running many mods in more places than one, but I was determined get them running cohesively and to a great extent, I have succeeded. I played around with all of these mods, lurked on forums, befriended google and got pretty familiar with obmm, wrye bash, and TESCS to finally be able to get them all working cleanly, and smoothly. Perhaps it was just luck that I unearthed this problem as I was loading the last of the mods on my wish-list so to speak.

 

Unfortunately, I am not a great modder. That being said, I have tried disabling various mods, changing installation order, waiting to see if the problem solves itself, walking through loading screens, etcetera. To be honest, I really think that it's a savegame problem.

 

However, I'm not so sure that the savegame is corrupted. If I unload the Zumbs mod, I get a healthy and relatively consistent 40ish fps at high resolution, large textures, and other tweaked features with the same savegame that previously ran at an fps of 1 on the same settings. Perhaps the savegame is just bloated or confused? (I'm not 100% sure that I know what those terms mean in this context)

 

I'm already in contact with Zumb, but the reason I posted here was because I think the issue may not be the mod itself (although I am inclined to believe that the issue is brought to the surface by the mod in some way). Zumb created a fun and immersive mod through his own sweat. The blame for this issue is not his; it is my own. I should have been more thorough in my mod tests and adding before getting caught up in the game itself.

 

In any case, I'll try a few more things along with whatever Zumb might come up with and hope someone may know of a tangible solution that doesn't involve reburning 37 hours of gameplay into my fingers, eyes, brain and hard-drive. Worst case scenario, I probably just not use the mod.

 

Thank you for your response.

 

~Raizen

[Jenrai]

Use Wrye Bash to check for save game bloating (it can fix it too) The dreaded A-bomb (animations running slow) can also be brought on faster by mods and fixxed by using Bash's abomb fixer on the saves, though your problem sounds somewhat more severe than that.

I'd also try waiting in an interior cell with no NPCs for 14 days (no need to save. You'll know straight away if it worked anyways) to fully reset all cells.

 

Jenrai

 

PS: Damnnn thats a helluva mod list. I bet your game is rockin' when it works. :D

[Qwaxalot]

I would load the save without Zumbos mod active (In fact I would remove the Mod altogether as Oblivion reads all esps even though they are unchecked)

 

Then coc testing hall, wait at least 5 days, go back to the world and make a new save.

 

Then, assuming your new save seems to be working well, reinstall Zumbos mod and test with your new save.

[ctserge]

I tried fixing savegame bloating, checking for abomb, unloading ZLP => testing hall => 5 day wait+save => reloading ZLP, and downgrading to OBSE v17b. I also tried waiting 14 days in the testing hall since it fit jenrai's description.

 

I truly appreciate everyone's input. Unfortunately, none of those suggestions solved the problem.

 

~Raizen

 

btw: I really liked poem in Jenrai's sig. =]

[David Brasher]

It would be a big test to have to perform, but you could keep Zumb's mod on and remove mods any and all other mods systematically until the problem goes away. When you finally found the mod that conflicts with Zumb's mod, you could remove it unless you like it better than Zumb's. you might try removing half your mods and then testing. If still bad, remove half of your remaining mods. Etc. When the problem goes away, install half of the bad batch of mods. Keep removing and installing and keeping very careful records. I am poor at math, but I think you might be able to isolate the conflicting mod in ten play-tests if you are lucky.

[ctserge]

I tested a few more things over the weekend but, being a working college student, I decided that I just don't have the time to be grabbing blindly for answers. I really appreciate everyone who responded to this thread and provided a prospective solution.

 

I did not delete the savegame that had the problem, so if anyone wants to tackle the problem I am willing to work with him/her. Alternately, you can decide to post your suggestions to this thread and I will gladly run another test. I don't have time to actively search for an answer, but I am willing to respond to direction. Plus, a part of me dislikes the fact that I took the easy way instead of tackling the problem 'til it got out of my way.

 

After adding a few more mods (including the awesome Race Balancing Project) I started my journey once again as a Sea Elf (Capucine's Aquamer). Everything is working perfectly fine (including Zumbs mod).

 

Again, thank you very much.

 

Sincerely,

Raizen

[DSoS]

I tested a few more things over the weekend but, being a working college student, I decided that I just don't have the time to be grabbing blindly for answers. I really appreciate everyone who responded to this thread and provided a prospective solution.

 

I did not delete the savegame that had the problem, so if anyone wants to tackle the problem I am willing to work with him/her. Alternately, you can decide to post your suggestions to this thread and I will gladly run another test. I don't have time to actively search for an answer, but I am willing to respond to direction. Plus, a part of me dislikes the fact that I took the easy way instead of tackling the problem 'til it got out of my way.

 

After adding a few more mods (including the awesome Race Balancing Project) I started my journey once again as a Sea Elf (Capucine's Aquamer). Everything is working perfectly fine (including Zumbs mod).

 

Again, thank you very much.

 

Sincerely,

Raizen

 

 

Just wondering, how many files are in your /Data folder (not including sub-folders)?

 

I've read somewhere that if there are over 300 (?) the game starts acting weird. I'll see if I can find that, while you get back with the number of files :)