spoiler Discuss- the Flemmeth/Morrigan Relationship

[DarkeWolf]

1) The game doesnt really make it clear whether Morrigan is REALLY her daughter. Not by birth. And they hinted at it being possible that some of the Witches of the Wilds could have been kidnapped children.

So here's the first topic: Do you think that Flemmeth is Morrigan's paternal mother, meaning that she gave birth to Morrigan, or do you think that Morrigan may have been kidnapped as a small child, and raised by Flemmeth to be her next surrogate host?

 

2) By the end of the game, Morrigan knows for sure, how Flemmeth has attained her immortality. And at the end, it says that she may be with child (regardless if it's the Warden's, Loghaines's, or Alistaire's or not). Do you think that she intends to carry on Flemmeth's method of extending her lifespan using the baby?

OR do you think that Flemmeth is inside of Morrigan already, and plans to use the child?

 

3) What were Morrigan's REAL motivations for coming along with the Warden?

 

 

We're not all gonna agree here, so please remember that everybody has their own interpretations and opinions, which may or may not agree with yours. Please dont get out of hand, if they don't.

[tinylewtgriffon]

As you travel, Alistar and Morrigan have little conversations, one where Alister noticed the similarites between Morrigan and her mother so I do believe they are related.

 

The main thing I see happening in the future, depending on if you "killed" Flemmeth or not, is Flemmeth eventually goes looking for the child, as I expect that was her plan for the future. Depending on your relationship with Morrigan, she may have had the same idea, or either raised the child "With love". I totally see an expansion where you go looking for Morrigan...or I hope there will be one...I WANT MY BABY! lol

[Vagrant0]

It's not what Morrigan wants initially, as she makes rather clear at the beginning or if the player chooses the right dialogues. Instead it is what Flemmeth wants. I have a feeling that Flemmeth also intended Morrigan to have a child with the graywarden in order to have a form with "mixed blood". I don't know if the game ever mentions what happens when a graywarden has a child, but as the ritual seems to change the nature of the participant, there would seem to be something there.

 

And yeah, they do look alike, which is probably why Morrigan looks different between her game face and the one in the trailer.

[DarkeWolf]

I could go either way on if she is, or if she isn't Flemmeth's true daughter. To be honest, I hadn't noticed the similarity between them, and also be honest, had forgotten about the Alistair "Nose" comment from the party banter.

For me, what supports it that they are blood related, is Morrigan's Nightmare in the Fade. Morrigan is the ONLY one of the team that isn't under the spell. (Well, unless you count dog, but that nightmare is WEAK.) She's able to see through it, right from the get-go. I attribute that to the fact that Flemmeth is inhabited by a creature of the fade, and a part of that essence was passed by blood to Morrigan. (I actually consider Morrigan to be a psueod-demon, rather than human. Just my opinion).

 

I've got several theories about the child. None of which take what Morrigan said for truth. First and foremost, I think that she intends to raise it as a future host. Her own obsession with power, the fact that she now knows Flemmeth's secrets of transferring (Especially if you gave her the second tome), would make such a being a PERFECT candidate for her.

I also agree that it could have been part of the original plan with Morrigan and Flemmeth. It would help to explain just where the HECK that Morrigan would have come up with such a crazy ritual. I think tho, that Morrigan changed the plan, and backstabbed Flemmeth (or rather....conned the Warden into doing it for her). But considering that Flemmeth's dialogs when I got there to kill her, I dont know for sure. (thats part of what I love about this particular character. The way that they made you sit here and wonder and conjecture over so much about her, and some of the other characters is what makes this such a great game to me!)

But yeah, I think Morrigan changed the plan, and is now solely in it for herself.

 

IF it's Flemmeth's design for the kid, think on this.... she's possessed by a demon. IS she hoping that the taint in its genetics would give her some ability to rid herself of the demon she made the pact with, and instead take the (more powerful) power of the arch-demon? Or is it simply trying to harness the power of the arch-demon?

 

I agree with wanting to go hunt down that kid. I want to, also. Tho....that raises a moral delimma in itself. Could you kill a baby? One that is your own blood, or the blood of your best friend? (Tho if it was loghains that would actually work against it's favor with me. I sympathize for him that he had regrets about some of the choices he made, but bottom line is... he kept making them. He deserves the consequences for his actions. And with some of the issues I have with Anora, I'd END his bloodline! )

Bottom line... Could you kill a baby? One who is completely innocent, and who's only sin, is being born? A conception that You helped to instrument? I'd rationalize it out that it's what's the best for the world. That it has to be done. That it poses too much of a threat, to be able to live. But I dont know if I could deliver the deathblow.

[brokenergy]

She's able to see through it, right from the get-go. I attribute that to the fact that Flemmeth is inhabited by a creature of the fade, and a part of that essence was passed by blood to Morrigan. (I actually consider Morrigan to be a psueod-demon, rather than human. Just my opinion).

 

The demon that assumed the role of Flemeth didn't do a good impression of her and that's how Morrigan knew that she was in the fade.

 

I have a little thought, if Morrigan is not related to Flemeth, could she be related somehow to Maric's promise to Flemeth in novel The Stolen Throne? If so she could be a lost bloodline if you think about Flemeth's darker nature or somebody's lost kid. We never got to discover Morrigan's dad so the question is still out there.

 

And as for the kid; maybe it could end up Naruto like where the kid doesn't know anything and eventually find the truth and use the power to it's own ends. Personally it is only a wait and see approach.

[DarkeWolf]

She's able to see through it, right from the get-go. I attribute that to the fact that Flemmeth is inhabited by a creature of the fade, and a part of that essence was passed by blood to Morrigan. (I actually consider Morrigan to be a psueod-demon, rather than human. Just my opinion).

 

The demon that assumed the role of Flemeth didn't do a good impression of her and that's how Morrigan knew that she was in the fade.

 

I have a little thought, if Morrigan is not related to Flemeth, could she be related somehow to Maric's promise to Flemeth in novel The Stolen Throne? If so she could be a lost bloodline if you think about Flemeth's darker nature or somebody's lost kid. We never got to discover Morrigan's dad so the question is still out there.

 

And as for the kid; maybe it could end up Naruto like where the kid doesn't know anything and eventually find the truth and use the power to it's own ends. Personally it is only a wait and see approach.

 

You really are gonna make me go out and get these books, just to know what you're talking about, aren't you? ;)

 

To be honest, my perception is that Morrigan didnt have the "happy happy joy joy" life with flemmeth, that the demon was trying to give the NPC's. That could have been a big tip off right there. (yeah, I did do some more thinking about the subject).

havent figured out how she was able to resist it tho, other than my first conclusion about her being partially demonic.

 

After finishing the game, yeah.... morrigan admits that it was the plan all along, to sire the kid. so that kinda changes some of my earlier postulations.

 

I still wanna track them down tho. If I have to kill Flemmeth again, it's good. Considering the plan, I don't feel that bad about killing somebody who saved my life, in her case. Tho I still have to wonder if she didnt set up the events that lead to her actually "saving me". I myself wouldnt have issues killing Morrigan, tho the character that I played definitely would. As for the kid....I dunno. The possibility of the potential harm that it presents.....

I think the world would be a better place without it.

[Vagrant0]

To be honest, my perception is that Morrigan didnt have the "happy happy joy joy" life with flemmeth, that the demon was trying to give the NPC's. That could have been a big tip off right there. (yeah, I did do some more thinking about the subject).

havent figured out how she was able to resist it tho, other than my first conclusion about her being partially demonic.

 

Not all of the visions are of a happy life... Wynne for example (and she was already "claimed" so figure that one out). So it probably has more to do with Morrigan's unusual nature,

[GrifonJ]

MY Problem is I already know the answers as I have finished the game, and am wondering if I should interject a few points in this discussion or not. For those of you who have NOT finished the game yet, my small bits of addition to this may be considered SPOILERS for some of you, so tell me whether or not this particular Discussion is allowed to contain information that someone who has not yet completed the game, might consider a SPOILER?

 

DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Morrigan indicates Flemeth is NOT her birth mother during a conversation I had with her. And she does find out how Flemeth extends her life. This is what leads to her 'personal' quest within the storyline. The slaying of Flemeth wich only delays her ability to extend her life. Morrigan's 'baby' given by any of 4 possible males among the party is also explained during the time she speaks to the PC about what she proposes to prevent the PC's death, IF they've retained their 'friend' status. The 'baby' receives the power of the ArchDemon and becomes a child with the soul/power of one of the "Old Gods' is the way I understood it. Morrigan plans to rear this child is all we know. What we don't know is if she is going to use the knowledge gleaned from Flemeth about extending her own life with the childs, which would give her incredible power and possibly the power to destroy Flemeth in the future when she honestly indicated that such a probablity existed.

[brokenergy]

You really are gonna make me go out and get these books, just to know what you're talking about, aren't you? ;)

 

You could always go to the wiki and find the summery.

 

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Age...e_Stolen_Throne

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Age:_The_Calling

 

There is one section of the book where Maric retreats to the Korcari Wilds and is captured by the Witch of The Wild (remember that there are only two; Flemeth and daugther and it might be Flemeth after performing the ritual and obtained the body). In exchange for freedom and safe passage in the Korcari Wilds, Maric made a promise to Flemeth to be carried out on a later date. The promise was never stated in the novel but if you think about Flemeth's nature you would assume what I concluded.

[DarkeWolf]

I was just teasing. ;) I'm actually interested in reading the books. I didnt even know that there were books for this game, and now that I've finished it, I wouldnt mind checking out some more of the background.