spoiler Discuss- the Flemmeth/Morrigan Relationship

[Mlai]

It is postulated on forums that the elven creators = old gods.

 

The expansion seems to be about The Architect (wow that's a terrible name... anything that makes me think of Matrix 2/3 is terrible...). "Use the darkspawn to destroy everything"... you mean like A BLIGHT?

 

Actually, regarding Logain... Now I'm not sure *why* I fought him. I think he said it in one word, "Politics." Think about it. The only thing that really changed after you deposed him in the Landsmeet is... you deposed him. Anora is still queen, if you made choices sensibly.

 

Realistically, the Warden could have visited Logain in secret, and let him know that without Wardens, 10 billion soldiers cannot stop a Blight. The dwarves, elves, and mages won't care who the human king is. The Royalist faction can be made to see reason, if you publicly back Logain. Orlais cannot help in time anyways. If Logain announces that he would retire after the Blight is defeated, and the real power passes back to Anora, then there should be no problems. But human nature being what it is, we had to settle everything with blood n' guts.

[brokenergy]

Not the blight. If you read 'The Calling', you would know The Architect's true motivations as well as his background. You would also learn why Loghain took over from Anora as king. Loghain was a threat towards the Grey Wardens and that's why he must be eliminated. Even if the wardens came to him at secret, he would have kill them or throw them to the dungeon as he is too arrogant to realise the Blight.

 

Also about the elven creators, they are not related to the old gods as there are several hints in the game if you care to read the codex.

[Mlai]

As I said, human nature being what it is, we must fight Loghain. Both sides were set on a path of no return. But nothing really changes in reality.

 

I have read the Codex.

[DarkeWolf]

For me personally, killing Loghain is a matter of honor. Gameplay aside, me speaking.... Loghain was abandoned on the field of battle to die as Bait, for Orlesian soldiers. It was Maric that rode out to save him. It was the bond that started their friendship. He betrayed that, when he left Maric's SON to die. So for me, Loghain's death is vengeance served.

For my character, his death is vengeance served. For the soldiers, and the Wardens who died at his betrayal. For the civilians who died and suffered at Lothering. For the Elve's suffering and being sold into slavery at the Alienage. He was responsible for all that. AND, he had the country at war with itself, instead of unifying against a threat that could have taken them all. In my character's mind, he was as much a threat to the country as the darkspawn and the blight were. I ended that threat, and served vengeance.

 

 

Only problem is, is that the Warden doesnt find out about what it takes to kill the blight, until after the landsmeet. Which means that he's A) Already dead. Or B) You recruited him, and he finds out about it at the same time as you do.

 

Indeed. At least in the book the Architect actually wanted to free his people (the darkspawn) from the Calling of the old gods. And, he wanted to bring about peace between the DS and the surface races. How they play that out for the expansion, tho...I dont know. The new characters motives could be very different. The result it's (now I sound like Shale, lol) trying to achieve, could be very different.

 

Ouch...scary thought. A woman with pregnant moodswings transforming into a great dragon. Yikes....run like hell boys, run like hell!

 

The biological relation tween Mora and Flem was just a discussion. something to talk about. it doenst have to be intellectual, just a "what do you think?"

 

6) The point was that I didnt care enough about the politically correct word to go look it up. Tho in disagreement.... the game says from several different sources that the fade spirits, and demons, want to escape the fade and enjoy the freedom of the living world. Doesnt sound so inferior to me, seems like that's the desire of all sentient beings. However, what they do when they get here is up to that individual and circumstances. Such as the polluted spirits in the forest out by the werewolves.

 

I'm really lookin forward to teh expansion too. I'm counting down the days til it's release. MY understanding of it is, that it will still read off the same sql database as DA:O does. Meaning that either way you play it, it's still going to show some affects of the events from your playthru. whether you do it thru a savegame or not. If you choose a new character, the new character will "hear about" things that happened then, rather than remembering them, or remembering the truth about them, personally.

 

I havent become king/queen yet either. On the playthru that I just now finished, I talk Al into marrying Anora tho. Before, I'd just let her rule by herself.

 

 

ON topic..... I found a vid that shows one of the possible roads that morrigan decides to take, if the warden dies.

 

Several years later, tales out of Orlaise told that a strange, dark-haired mage had insinutated herself within the Empress' court.

[brokenergy]

I'll think it is very much the same goal but he is taking a different approach. People who have this types of goals are usually determined to carry out these types of plans. Maybe he will find out about the kid or already knows and use it to bring peace forcefully thus causing you to find Morrigan quickly before The Architect does (Talk about a twist). Could also explain why she left.

[DarkeWolf]

It could. But as practical and logical as she is, she'd realize that she has a better chance of protecting the kid from the threat with the warden close by, rather than on her own. That is, if she knows about a threat to the kid beforehand IE Flemeth warned her of it.

 

No, I think that there's something about this kid....that she is either protecting the Warden from it, or it from the Warden. Or Flemeth saw some point in time where the two (Kid + Warden) being together causes something pretty bad to happen.

OR Flemeth saw a point in time where the two being together caused an event which prevented something ELSE from happening, that needed to happen.

Else she might have been given in to the temptation to stay.

 

I don't know. From what little I have seen in the trailers about the New Architect, his personality is seemingly opposite of the one in the book. The original sought understanding of others (granted, so as to better be able to manipulate them, but still.....) while this one seems to be angry and downright destructive.

Granted...that COULD have been caused in his personality from the way that things ended up tween him and the Wardens in the book. But I'm just saying the game version seems to have a different, more offense-driven personality.

 

Is it just me, or does there seem to be a LOT of angry characters in the expansion??

[brokenergy]

I don't think there are a lot of angry characters in the expansion. Lets face it, trailers don't give much information about characters at all. I agree on that front; Flemeth might have ordered Morrigan not to stay at that time because certain events must happen or that the child + warden = apocalypse.

[DarkeWolf]

Ok, so different line of thoughts here. If you played a character that was capable of the romance, and you'd played that out, lets discuss the whole notion of Al or Loghain performing the rit in your stead.

I'm actually considering doing a playthru like that to see if that one scene plays out differently. It'll end up with Al doing the deed, as I dont want to backtrack that far to let Loghain live. That, and well.... Loghain just isn't gonna take a dip in my swimming pool, if ya know what I mean.

[brokenergy]

Here is something totally unexpected but it leaves food for thought.

 

Did you know that Morrigan in Irish means "Great Queen".

 

Adds more fuel to my theory of Maric being Morrigan's father.

[DarkeWolf]

actually, I did know that. Found it out a few days ago.

 

Ok, now keep in mind that the game timeline is (by my recollection) off by about 10 years in comparison to the books. By my account, DAO should be taking place 22 years after the first book, but gametime it's 32 years.

Now, I looked in the game files. Alistair is listed as being 30 years old. Game time, that would mean that he was born right about the time that Maric let the Warden's back in Ferelden. Makes sense, seeing as he's Maric's kid, born from a Warden, neh?

 

Well guess what? Morrigan is listed as being 32 years old, Which would have placed her being born right around the time that Maric took back the throne.

Interesting coincidence there.

 

 

Here's another thought. A couple actually. Alistaire, being born of a warden, could have had the taint in him as a baby. So having that in his genes already.... does that mean that his Calling will come sooner than a normal Warden would? Or has his body grown something of an immunity to it that other wardens don't? (aside from their obvious ability to survive exposure to it).

 

Now, if Alistaire is the one who sired the godchild, and he does have a bit more of an immunity to the taint..... does he genetically pass that on? So you'd have a second generation of this ability? Perhaps even stronger resistance?

 

Third. If warden's kids do have a resistance to the taint, wouldnt that be the way to secure humanity? Breed the immunity into the community thru the wardens?

 

ALSO- Fiona hadn't been a warden for very long, when Alistaire was conceived. I think it was what... 6 mothns? So she'd have only been a warden for about a year and a half when he was born. That would put it right about the same timeline for the godchild. Is THAT why it has to be Al, the Hero, or Loghain to sire the child, because at that rate of exposure to the taint, Flemeth sees the child being able to survive the taint, like Alistaire?

 

Could that have been why she sent Maric along with the wardens in the first place?