Irliteth is naked (immersive armors, requiem, and stuff)

[ArtMurder]

So, ireliteh, or however you spell it, the dark elf who guard the jarl in dragonsreach in whiterun, is naked. She has weapons, but no armor on. I've tried updating Immersive armors, the IA NPC patch, IA requiem patch, but nothing seems to fix it. it's really quite annoying. I've tried disabling her and re-enabling her, and other various things. Do I have to restart my character to fix this glitch? I can't tell what type of armor she has on, because killing her doesn't kill her, just knocks her down to her knees.

 

I honestly am at a total loss as to what is causing this if not immersive armors. My load order is WAY to finicky to try the "disable everything till something works" especially sense it seems that the item is just not in her inventory, so that even if I hit the right mods are I wouldn't be able to tell...

 

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[ripple]

IA NPC patch is no longer supported. A few records in IA changed in 7.1 and IA NPC patch has not been updated for a long time so some of it's records no longer conform to IA (it should be uninstalled, unless you want to repair the error records yourself). The error record in the IA NPC patch could cause NPCs to show up naked. Having said that, I am *fairly* certain that it does not alter Irilith's outift. The best way to determine if any of your mods changes Irilith's outfit is to load them all up in TE5Edit 1) check to see what outfit Irilith is wearing (found in her NPC record) and if any mod has edited her and gave her a different outfit, and if not, 2) check that outfit list and see if any mod has edited the outfit assigned to her.

[ArtMurder]

IA NPC patch is no longer supported. A few records in IA changed in 7.1 and IA NPC patch has not been updated for a long time so some of it's records no longer conform to IA (it should be uninstalled, unless you want to repair the error records yourself). The error record in the IA NPC patch could cause NPCs to show up naked. Having said that, I am *fairly* certain that it does not alter Irilith's outift. The best way to determine if any of your mods changes Irilith's outfit is to load them all up in TE5Edit 1) check to see what outfit Irilith is wearing (found in her NPC record) and if any mod has edited her and gave her a different outfit, and if not, 2) check that outfit list and see if any mod has edited the outfit assigned to her.

Hmm, but all the various patches I installed have been updated more recently then IA itself? How do I tell what outfit she is wearing? I'm not particularly skilled at that kind of thing. Also, TES5Edit is not a program I enjoy using, apparently it hates me, as everyone else insists it works great, but it corrupts the hell out of mods I try and edit with it about 1/3rd of the time, so I tend to avoid using it unless I absolutely have to.

 

also, I had IA 7, and updated to 7.1 hoping it would fix this issue... it did not, so I can confirm this issue existed in both 7 and 7.1. So far I have noticed no other NPCs with this glitch, but I have only been running this test character for about 45 minutes, I have seen at least 5~7 new suits of armor on various NPCs, though a number of them were added by Inconsequential NPCs with the IA enhancement pack.

 

i would much rather manually fix my the issue then just remove IA for NPCs, as that would throw off my immersion quite a bit to have those armors exist in abundance, but have no one of importance using them.

 

Are you sure the issue couldn't be cause by failing to update her outfit after updating the mods? As I said, I was using version 7 of IA and the patches for it, I updated it and all the patches hoping it would fix it, reload a save before she was ever loaded, disabled and renabled her, I can't think of anything else I could do, but I suppose it's possible that is cuaisng the issue

 

Also, I remember an issue existing in one of the old versions of one of the patches that made one of the armors sets equip nothing on the NPC, like what I am experiencing.

[ripple]

You have to check the dates of the file uploads to see whether a mod has been updated or not. A mod author may update the file description or some other attributes of their upload and sometime users will mistake that as an update to the mod.

 

When you say 'IA NPC patch', I assume you meant one of these?

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/21163/?

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/27679/?

 

These are the only two IA NPC distribution 'patches' I know, and neither of them have been updated since August and December of 2012. That's a...very long time ago. IA 7+ now distributes armour to NPCs via script (which can be toggled in MCM), so those NPC distribution patches are not needed and no one has made any IA NPC distribution patches since (as far as I know).

[ArtMurder]

Yeah, trust me I know to check the upload fate of the file itself, not the dates on the description page. XP

 

And no, those are not the patches I am using. I am using the ones designed for requiem, because, at least to my knowledge, those patches do not work with requiem, being that they edit NPCs directly, which would conflict with requiem which touches every NPC in the game. I am using the ones specifically designed for Requiem.

 

I am using this patch, plus the additional option it has to add IA and IW items to NPCs.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/42538/?

both files were last updated april 29th, 2014, quite some time after the 7.1 release of IA

 

Though, that makes me think, I will double check and make sure the patch you are talking about hasn't worked it's way into my load order by accident, I am 90% certain it has not. if it has, that is likely the issue, I will remove it right away.

 

EDIT; WOW, it seems that the mod you linked to DID end up in my load order and I had no clue it was there. I wonder how that happened... Let's see if that checks out. I also noticed that immersive weapons released another updated I didn't realize, which explains an invisible bow I found, being that I am using the newest requiem patch.

 

Pretty sure that is what is causing this issue. I feel so silly now.

 

EDIT2; Now this is odd, removing that esp makes my game freeze on the main menu screen... I can think of no reason that should be happening, nothing has it as a master, I rebuilt my bashed patch... >.< Nothing lower then it in my load order even has anything to do with immersive armors.

Edited June 6, 2014 by ArtMurder

[ArtMurder]

Okay, I can't figure this out. Removing the esp for the outdated immersive armors for NPC's mod makes my game stall on the main menu screen. it shows the skyrim logo, but doesn't play the music, and doesn't pull up the "load/new game/etc" options. It doesn't CTD, and my task manager says skyrim is still running, not frozen. Nothing lists it as a master, I have rebuilt my bashed patch, I can not track down what is causing this. Re-enabling it makes it launch normally.... It's just baffling.

 

I would get if it wigged out on me loading a save, but that's not what it's doing. I've honestly never had this happen before, I've gotten plenty of CTDs on launch, and gotten freezes on loads, but this is just baffling, especially considering this mod is basically just a patch to an existing mod that isn't even there, it's totally baffling that removing it would break my game more then having it in.... I can't just continue with it enable either. x_x

[ripple]

Okay, I can't figure this out. Removing the esp for the outdated immersive armors for NPC's mod makes my game stall on the main menu screen. it shows the skyrim logo, but doesn't play the music, and doesn't pull up the "load/new game/etc" options. It doesn't CTD, and my task manager says skyrim is still running, not frozen. Nothing lists it as a master, I have rebuilt my bashed patch, I can not track down what is causing this. Re-enabling it makes it launch normally.... It's just baffling.

Not sure. Theoretically, you could have another mod that is dependent on the IA NPC distribution patch (one that is manually made, not dynamically generated like the Bashed Patch), but then if you try to load it up, it would cause your game to CTD at the load screen, not just give you an 'indefinite load screen'/ILS. Try loading all of your plugins in TES5Edit and see if you get any error messages.

[ArtMurder]

I do sometimes use TES5Edit to make manual patches, but I am pretty sure i have not made one for anything involving weapons/armor do to the finickiness of requiem. I ran tes5edit with all mods selected accept the IA patch in question, and it gave no errors.

 

I'm gunna try and disable immersive armors related mods/patches see if I can get any response, but seeing as I updated every single one of them just yesterday i don't see how they could be causing the issue... I've skimmed through every one of my mods and can't find anything that should be reliant on that patch. And as has been mentioned, if it was a dependency thing, it would be a CTD, and it's not.

[ripple]

One thing: Irileth is a persistent NPC, so her outfit will not refresh once she has 'spawned' for the first time. In order to test and refresh her outfit when you are trying to figure out which mod might be responsible for her 'naturalist tendencies', you will need to use console to refresh her outfit and inventory ('ResetInventory'). You can also skip all this if you have a save game from before you entered Dragonreach for the first time (since that is when she will 'spawn' for the first time).

[ArtMurder]

I do have a save file right before I enter for the first time... until I can gt my game to launch again though I can't really test it anymore though. The resetinventory command will be handy to know though, thanks!

I have tracked down the issue, the esp Requiem - Immersive Armors - Addon.esp from this mod

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/42538/?

seems to be causing it somehow? removing it makes my game run normally... it does not mention or require that mod in any way, it's quite confusing...

 

EDIT; Okay WOW, so she's still naked even with the above ESP disabled and the other IA patch, so apparently it has nothing to do with the IA for NPCs mods... I tried the reset inventory thing, I loaded a save before ever entering dragonsreach, I tried disabling and enabling her, nothing worked.

Edited June 7, 2014 by ArtMurder