madgoatwoman Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 So, subject says it all. I've tried google, I've read countless threads on the subject, and I'm still completely baffled. I've tried putting the .esm files up the top of the load order, and I think it's not the problem. I've tried a clean uninstall/reinstall, read all the documentation relating to ctd's and mods. I think it's one of my graphics mods that might be causing it-- potentially one of the Apachii mods, but I've had it work and then not work. I'm having trouble identifying which ones that might be causing the game to ctd. I'm using both NMM and ModOrganiser, I've used WryeBash and I'm also using SKSE. Not running any ENBs cause I don't understand how they work. Screenshots should show what my mod order/load order/mods are in. Have even included the load order from my data section of Skyrim's launcher. http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n521/laur-laur-laur/esmloadorderuptop.jpg http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n521/laur-laur-laur/nexusmodmanager.jpghttp://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n521/laur-laur-laur/skyrimmo1.jpg As the screenshots show, I'm running a fairly decent amount of mods. I've no idea why the CTD happens on load (will crash just after the Beth logo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyquist Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Uhm. If I may suggest I think your main issue is that you are using 2 different mod managers which have their own plugin managments as well as the data tab. So technically you are managing from 3 programs from which 2 don't share the same plugin managment system. >.< Most crashes after just the logo are due to plugins. For example missing master plugins etc. For example in your case when you start your game via Mod Organizer I see that all of your plugins are disabled at least those installed via NMM. And most probably only those activated in ModOrganazer left pane are active. The following should be done:Use one mod manager only!!! Ithink just by doing so everthing should be fixed. I personally prefer ModOrganizer since its capacities surpass those of NMM but NMM is certainly way easier to learn to use.Don't use the original data tab to organize your plugins it is already integrated in all mod manager be it ModOrganizer, NMM, Wrye Bash or TESmodmanager.Launching the Skyrim launcher resets ini files sometimes.Use LooT to auto organizer your plugins. (Trust me you need it badly).Please read http://wiki.step-project.com/STEP:2.2.8 or watch https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL96C073B0B8BFC01D to get an idea if how to use ModOrganizer or NMM. If you get CTD after that please post your entire mod list and plugin list instead of these screenshots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaro_69_327 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 First i want to say...pick a mod manager and stick with it....lol You have Wrye bash, try getting used to that....but anyway... In the first pic i see a bashed patch and looks like the Load Order is UPside down, bashed is first of the ..ESP's , should be Last ESP. (except dynamic patches). First...Use BOSS to sort your mods, then post the BOSS log here in spoiler tags. Open Wrye bash , look at [MODS] Tab are any of the plugins colored RED? <<this would indicate a missing master. Download TESVEdit, install and run , click OK to what ever XXEdit loads at start , if it finishes , good, you don't have a missing master (think you do), if you get an ERROR that is the missing Master. * side note...you should not be loading the Steam launcher, (ever, unless you need to generate new INI files), it creates havok with the order of plugins and will overwrite changes you make to your INI files. Should not ever need it.To view your Load Order use Wrye bash. to post your load order use Wrye bash. (right click top header>"list mods" close window, right click here , paste. ( all the work was done by Wrye, it copied the list to the clipboard, Wrye added spoiler tags. all you have to do is paste it in your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyquist Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Haha funny how we posted 2 minutes apart but I think most if not all of his issues will be fixed just by choosing a single mod manager and by using BOSS or LooT. He might not need TESVEdit at all after that since LooT seems to use something akin to what TESVEdit does when analysing plugins before reordering them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgoatwoman Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 Thank you both for your replies. I started off using NMM, but then another google thread where I was having issues with CTD suggested I use MO and Wrye. Part of the reason I was using two mod managers was due to conflicting evidence thanks to google as to the veracity of them. :) Also, I am female ;) Active Mod Files as per Wrye: 00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Dawnguard.esm 03 Dragonborn.esm 04 HearthFires.esm 05 ApachiiHairFemales.esm 06 ApachiiHair.esm 07 ApachiiHairMales.esm 08 AzarHair.esm 09 Bashed Patch, 0.esp 0A TimingIsEverything.esp 0B AsharaWeddingOutfit.esp 0C DartHairColorsAll.esp 0D Facelight.esp 0E Follower and NPC Overhaul.esp ----> MISSING MASTER: More Hair Colors Vanilla.esp 0F N_43 Hair Pack.esp 10 MacKom_LoreStylesHairSet.esp 11 LovelyHairstylesCE.esp 12 More Hair Colors Dawnguard.esp 13 EncHorseSaddledBrown.esp 14 EncHorseSaddledBlackAndWhite.esp 15 EncHorseSaddledGrey.esp 16 Shadowmere.esp 17 EncHorseSaddledPalomino.esp 18 EncHorseSaddledBlack.esp 19 EncHorseBlackAndWhite.esp 1A EncHorseBlack.esp 1B EncHorseBrown.esp 1C EncHorsePalomino.esp 1D EncHorseGrey.esp 1E SkyUI.esp 1F EnhancedCompanionGuild.esp 20 Train over 9000!!!! times.esp 21 _admod.esp 22 WeightNoMore.esp 23 Wallofhonor.esp 24 Gildergreen Regrown.esp [Version 1.2.6] 25 RGMsVanityMirror.esp [Version 1.0] 26 The Graves of Falkreath.esp 27 The Honered Dead.esp 28 tpos_whiterun.esp 29 Generous Dovahkiin.esp 2A HoldBorderBanners.esp 2B LegendarySmithingUpgrades.esp 2C guardskillcomments.esp 2D LIAT - NPCs.esp 2E LIAT - Sounds.esp 2F NobleFemaleClothes.esp 30 Point The Way.esp [Version 1.0.2] 31 SkyHavenTemple'sGlory1.3.esp 32 SkyrimBelongsConditional.esp 33 Vanilla Perk Uncrapper.esp 34 TrueSoldiers.esp 35 Lord and mighty talos.esp 36 The greybeards entrance.esp 37 Winterhold Ruins.esp 38 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp 39 HeavyArmorTree.esp 3A Ekkii Spouse Life.esp 3B OvIbrewing.esp 3C StaffCrafting.esp 3D MageRobesChoice.esp 3E MQDragonbornResponse.esp 3F Taverns.esp 40 Stealth Skills Rebalanced_COMPLETE.esp 41 Upgraded Weapons and Armors.esp 42 crimedialog.esp 43 Thieves Guild Requirements.esp 44 zzArmormashups.esp 45 weardargonbarnrobsovurarurm.esp I know I have the vanilla hair colours mod somewhere in my downloads, I just can't remember where. I tend to launch from SKSE now that I've got mods that require it. Have also read through countless, and somewhat confusing threads suggesting various issues. Funny thing, I can mod DAO and DA2 no problems at all, but Skyrim is a totally different beast! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaro_69_327 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) 0E Follower and NPC Overhaul.esp----> MISSING MASTER: More Hair Colors Vanilla.esp See Wrye knows...Untic "oe Follower and NPC overhaul" and the game should load. Try to find out what you missed when installing NPCoverhaul... You still need to use either BOSS or LOOT basicly teh same thing...BOSS is tried and true..LOOT is newer version of same program , but says for testing only , not for game play. I only use Wrye have 357 installers giving me 237 plugins, No crashes. I did also do the Step install (as linked above) and can say it is well worth the effort. Ya "Nyquest" we had to be typing at the same time..i type slow..lol both posts say about the same thing too...lol Edited June 14, 2014 by camaro_69_327 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgoatwoman Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) Thanks! :smile: I'll have a shot at that and let you know. ETA: It worked! :D Edited June 14, 2014 by theoriginalemo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaro_69_327 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Ok then...you have homework to do.... You do need all the UNofficial paches, one for each DLC, run BOSS and clean all the Official plugins, Dawnguard Heathfires..ect. all the plugins BOSS says are dirty. you use TESVEdit for that . a link is in the BOSS log with a link to instruction for doing the cleaning. When done...post a BOSS log that is sparkling clean. Have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgoatwoman Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 Once again, I want to say thank you for your help. :) It's all running smoothly, and I actually do have the unofficial patches for Skyrim, Dawnguard, Hearthfire and Dragonborn. I knew there was a reason I loved the Nexus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaro_69_327 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 :geek:<<lol... you are welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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