Stormcloak rebellion or Imperial legion?

[MidbossVyers]

 

 

 

 

 

 

The stormcloaks are just a bunch of racists. Unless you're a nord, you pretty much have to side with the imperials.

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The devs mustn't have thought those through. You only have to go to windhelm to see that the stormcloaks hate pretty much anyone who isn't human, and dislike any non-nord humans.

 

When you consider the bigotry so prevelant in Tamriel...Altmer considering themselves superior, Dunmer, Argonian, Nords...Forsworn vs Nords, etc...all thinking they are something more than the other...what makes the Nords stand out as any different? Almost every Race/Species seems to see themselves as superior in some way or another...almost all of them are guilty of bigotry to a greater or lesser extent.

 

Even still, nords and altmer are the only racist races (I can't think of any others). Most of the altmer in Skyrim are part of the thalmor which I feel is the main reason for their superiority complex. Regarding the forsworn, most of them (including the women, children, infirm etc) were killed by Ulfric Stormcloak and his men, so can you blame them for hating nords? To be honest, I feel only the stormcloaks are racist, nords that side with the imperials (or anyone who's neutral) are far more open-minded.

 

No, the Forsworn blame the Jarl, not Ulfric. Ulfric may have been the hands, but the head who ordered/approved the executions were either Igmund or his father.

[KanesGhost]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The stormcloaks are just a bunch of racists. Unless you're a nord, you pretty much have to side with the imperials.

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The devs mustn't have thought those through. You only have to go to windhelm to see that the stormcloaks hate pretty much anyone who isn't human, and dislike any non-nord humans.

 

When you consider the bigotry so prevelant in Tamriel...Altmer considering themselves superior, Dunmer, Argonian, Nords...Forsworn vs Nords, etc...all thinking they are something more than the other...what makes the Nords stand out as any different? Almost every Race/Species seems to see themselves as superior in some way or another...almost all of them are guilty of bigotry to a greater or lesser extent.

 

Even still, nords and altmer are the only racist races (I can't think of any others). Most of the altmer in Skyrim are part of the thalmor which I feel is the main reason for their superiority complex. Regarding the forsworn, most of them (including the women, children, infirm etc) were killed by Ulfric Stormcloak and his men, so can you blame them for hating nords? To be honest, I feel only the stormcloaks are racist, nords that side with the imperials (or anyone who's neutral) are far more open-minded.

 

No, the Forsworn blame the Jarl, not Ulfric. Ulfric may have been the hands, but the head who ordered/approved the executions were either Igmund or his father.

 

I am not a Lore Monger, but have seen plenty of them post...now if I remember correctly, please correct me if I am wrong...The Dunmer were exceptionally Racist in Morrowind from what I hear (I have never played it)...I do know the Altmer certainly display quite a superiority complex in Oblivion (I have played that)...Apparently the Argonians at some point enslaved the Dunmer...The Snow Elves began the aggression between the Nords and themselves...The Orcs in both Oblivion and Skyrim make their feelings of superiority pretty clear....As for the Forsworn, that was a stuff up on my part, I was in fact referring to the abuse the Nords put them through, though end point still remains, the Bigotry between Races/Species appears to be pretty rampant in Tamriel, Nords are not an exclusive group in their Bigorty.

[KanesGhost]

 

Have you thought about why your Argonian would join at all? Or take any notice?

 

Thank you for your input, Kane. I have thought about his motive for joining, yes, but I haven't managed to come to a conclusion on that yet either. The war is not disrupting him or his professions, and although the Penitus Oculatus were a threat, they've mostly dissipated and are now only an irritation. However, the Imperials must have their suspicions about my Argonian, and if I side with them, there are two outcomes. Either the Imperials, when the Stormcloaks have been shooed away, will turn on me, or, recognizing that I played a key part in their victory, will clear me of suspicion or consider me too much of an asset (or too dangerous and not worth the lives of their men) to try and kill me. I think one of the latter is most feasible.

 

Okay, so those are the possible pro's/con's of joining the Imperials....so what are the pro's/con's of joining the Stormcloaks?

[Zarago]

 

 

The war is not disrupting him or his professions, and although the Penitus Oculatus were a threat, they've mostly dissipated and are now only an irritation.

 

 

There's nothing for you to win in this war, is it? If so, then stay out of it. Nothing worth risking your scaly hide for. Let these idiots bash their heads in while you use the noise as a cover to commit your crimes.

 

 

I'd like to stay entirely true to character, but it just isn't practical. There are things that need doing that I cannot do without the war gone. That's my reason for doing this, I just need one for him. Involving himself in the war isn't worth the measly loot that he may or may not receive, so that isn't the attraction. I suppose he's just trying to vie for the affections of the most exploitable side, whilst clearing himself of any suspicion that he has gained.

 

 

 

 

It is more accurate to say that he exists rather than lives, but he is not in any way depressive. He is unconditionally rational, which has caused him to abandon anything that may tempt him to stray from the most logical path, which includes emotion. I suppose you could describe him as a machine, but one programmed by himself.

 

So what's his aim, destination, drive, goal in live?

 

 

He is too robotic to allow himself any ambition, but like every other living creature, he has an innate desire to stay alive. I suppose that's what drives him to do whatever he does, but unlike most humans, he doesn't contemplate death. He'd just instinctively rather not die.

 

Actually, that opens up another reason for him involving himself in the civil war. He will, whenever he can, let others exert themselves so he can reap the benefits without getting his hands dirty, but I'd imagine (although it would be somewhat perilous) a battle would be a good way to gain experience so that he may use the skills he learns in later life.

[notmyhome]

Then go for the Imperials for sure, if you end up Stormblade but don't use your position to help your fellow Argonians (which you won't because you don't give a sh.. about them) this might anger them to the point of trying to kill you. Another enemy is the last thing you need. Also, there's hardly any doubt that in the end either the Empire or the Dominion will be in control of Tamriel; the Stormcloaks might get Skyrim, but never the rest of the continent. You'll always want to side with the winners, I guess.

A really intriguing character you got there! What was your reasoning for killing Grelod?

[fraquar]

I virtually always play Stormcloak, but if I was playing a character you describe I'd need to play Imperial. Both the TG and the DB exist mainly because of a structured Imperial presence - and my character would have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. TG and DB need Imperial leadership to stay just the way it is to thrive - that and in the TG's case they need to get rid of that blasted curse.

 

[Zarago]

Then go for the Imperials for sure, if you end up Stormblade but don't use your position to help your fellow Argonians (which you won't because you don't give a sh.. about them) this might anger them to the point of trying to kill you. Another enemy is the last thing you need. Also, there's hardly any doubt that in the end either the Empire or the Dominion will be in control of Tamriel; the Stormcloaks might get Skyrim, but never the rest of the continent. You'll always want to side with the winners, I guess.

A really intriguing character you got there! What was your reasoning for killing Grelod?

 

Can you do something for the Argonians if you achieve the Stormblade rank? It's true that he doesn't care about his own race any more than other races, but if he feared that there was a risk that they'd turn against him, he would help them.

 

Before he stumbled into Skyrim, he would be very familiar with other assassin guilds/factions in other parts of Tamriel, and will most certainly have known of the Dark Brotherhood. He may have even been a Shadowscale in the past, I'm not sure. Anyway, so his reasoning for killing Grelod the Kind was to aggravate the Dark Brotherhood and draw their attention to him, since he wasn't aware of their location or any other way of contacting them.

[Zygen360]

Well, the Stormcloaks aren't really to hip on other races besides the Nords typically, so just by that while you can join the Stormcloaks, I feel like it makes more sense to join the imperials.

 

That's really the only reason I can come up with.

[notmyhome]

Can you do something for the Argonians if you achieve the Stormblade rank?

 

Nah, sadly not. I've always role-played it as Ulfric being hard-headed and not able to stand other races in general; he only makes exceptions for those he knows to be of use to him.

[Zarago]

It's a pity you can only ask about the Argonians outside Windhelm. I remember them all being very friendly.

 

Anyway, on the Stormcloak vs. Imperial debate, I think I've finished up at joining the Stormcloaks until I retrieve the Jagged Crown, and then taking it to the Imperials to win their favour and anger the Stormcloaks even more. I figure the Imperials need buttering up and it's so easy to use the Stormcloak's rage against themselves.

Edited June 28, 2014 by Zarago