What Political Persuasion Are You?

[Magdalene]

The left wing is here for the poor and for the unqualified/incompetent people.

 

That's a rather outrageous claim. You'll have to do more to prove it than just say that a slump in your country's GDP occured during the eight-year term of a leftist party. That's not to mention that you haven't demonstrated even the slightest correlation between the two events -- in fact, wasn't this recession you're talking about caused by excessive foreign investment? Didn't it also occur very early within the term you're speaking of, suggesting that its roots lie in the economic policy of the previous administration?

 

As for how well your economy did during the period of 1990-1996, I would think that since that timeframe begins with the fall of the Soviet Union, there's no place for the GDP to go but up.

Hahaha funny... Of course there is no way but to go up, but during the 1990-1996 the growth was very very good, there was no public debt, quite the opposite. When the leftist party won, they started ruining economy by nationalizing/communizing some big companies (what the hell? Why?). Of course the growth dropped by a huge amount! Sure during the leftist party reign, no matter what you do, you were sure that you would get your payment no matter what you do, no matter how good you are, no matter how smart you are... Stupid isn't it? Shouldn't be the better paid more? Like I said, state ought to own nothing.

 

From what you said I know that you don't know the Czech Republic, we are not like the rest of the eastern bloc.

 

And the the leftist party was lucky that there was some growth thanks to the policy of the previous rightist goverment. Leftist goverment rised the taxes, started spending huge amount of money and result? The money disappeared and nothing was done... The people remained poor haha.

[loveme4whoiam]

Equalitarianism of the left-wing is the mistake. Left-wing surpress the qualified and richer people and embrace the state property (that's the biggest mistake).

 

How precisely do they supress those people? Unless you mean by advocating the higher taxation of those who make their money from other people's labour. I wouldn't call that supression, more like justice.

 

State ought to own nothing.

With the right wing is the fastest progression, the state gets richer and richer.

 

Do you want the state rich, or the state owning nothing? Make up your mind.

 

The competent people are happy

 

Oh, well, that's all right then. What about those who are competent, yet are born into under-priviledged backgrounds? Or what about the millions of people capitalism and the right-wing exploit to provide happiness to those "competent" people? I will take a content many over an ecstatic few and a down-trodden many any day.

 

If only could vote people who finished university, the civic party would won with 90% of all votes (Interesting isn't it? The smarter people the more right-wing oriented they are, at least in the Czech Republic). Too bad, there are so many people, who are not smart enough.

 

The sheer arrogance of this answer astonishes me. "If only those who'd passed through university could vote..." what the hell is that? So just because someone is too poor to afford university, or does not consider university to be important to their lives, they should have their right to vote, their right to influence policy that affects their lives, taken away? A right-wing statement if ever I read one.

 

And by the way, I pity the Czech Republic if the latter part of that statement is true. If every one of the "intelligent" Czech people cannot see past the bigotry of the right-wing, I do not think they are that intelligent after all.

 

Shouldn't be the better paid more?

 

Once again, if you believe this I would call your intelligence into question. Define "better", and say why these people should be allowed a higher standard of living over others.

[Magdalene]

Do you want the state rich, or the state owning nothing? Make up your mind.

I mean the state should not own a single company, every company ought to be in private hands. But yes, the state needs money. It doesn't matter, whether the state is leftist or rightist.

 

How precisely do they supress those people? Unless you mean by advocating the higher taxation of those who make their money from other people's labour. I wouldn't call that supression, more like justice.

That is surpression. The right wing wants equal taxation for everyone for everything. (The tax is 15%, by the way).

And by the way, I pity the Czech Republic if the latter part of that statement is true. If every one of the "intelligent" Czech people cannot see past the bigotry of the right-wing, I do not think they are that intelligent after all.

Shouldn't be the better paid more?

Once again, if you believe this I would call your intelligence into question. Define "better", and say why these people should be allowed a higher standard of living over others.

Haha once again I see you know nothing of the Czech republic, but still trying to make a comment? The smarter people dislike communism and socialism, because they were surpressed by the equality-way of socialim. They couldn't do anything. They couldn't show their abilities... that's sad... On top of that the leftist state was giving damn much money to the unemployed people, they were receiving that much money that they didn't want to work, because it was much better to be at home and receiving huge amount of money from the state. So people who are working voted for the right wing. The right wing wants so called active unemployment. So the unemployed people would work for the state and then they receive money. Isn't it better? The right wing supports active life! Not lazyness. But remember I am talking about the Czech Republic. I guess it's not the same in all countries, and I think we cannot generalize all leftists.

So don't pity my country, you don't know what post-communist country looks like. So don't ever try to bash the Czech people and the Czech Republic once again, my beloved nation and country. The nation is the most important thing, if the nation suffers, I suffer. If the nation is being insulted I am insulted. So don't ever pity the Czech people.

 

The better, are the strong and the smart and people who want to work.

[Marxist ßastard]

you don't know what post-communist country looks like.

 

...And you do?

[Magdalene]

...And you do?

Yes, I live in a post-communist country... The Czech republic had been communist country for more than 40 years. So thanks, but NEVER MORE!

 

Or I have better idea, go on vacation to North Korea, or Cuba and see on your own eyes, what's it like.

[VaanicOne]

you don't know what post-communist country looks like.

 

...And you do?

 

MB, it was pretty obvious, don't you think? Her sig has a CZECH flag in it.

[loveme4whoiam]

I think MB was more pointing out the fact that the Czech Republic, nor any other country that I am aware of, has ever called itself a communist country. This is the single biggest pain in the ass when debating this subject - Communism has not yet existed on a national scale. Magdalene does not live in a post-communist country, she lives in a post-socialist country, if that.

 

And as for the examples of North Korea and Cuba, well. I haven't studied North Korea at all, but what I do know would seem to indicate that it bears no resemblance to true socialism that I can think of. And as for Cuba, well let's see what life's like there. They have an excellent education system, the best health care system in the world (last year they sent 513 doctors to South America, no strings attached), and they have rather nice weather most of the year :P The only thing that I can see wrong with living there is the proximity to the USA.

 

The better, are the strong and the smart and people who want to work.

The strong. So, not having the genetic predisposition towards a muscular physique, or having not grown up in an environment where such a physique is created, makes someone less of a person. A worse person even. Okay.

 

The smart. Again, this means that those who are from a poorer background who perhaps couldn't afford a "real" education are lesser people. Then again, define "smart". Do you know the best way to plough a field? I don't, so doesn't that make me dumber than a farmer? Then again, I know how to examine accounts of a battle - does that make me smarter than the farmer?

 

And the people who want to work. Alright then, I can actually see the logic of this one. I have no sympathy for those who live off the UK's insane benefit system.

 

my beloved nation and country. The nation is the most important thing, if the nation suffers, I suffer. If the nation is being insulted I am insulted.

Nationalism is a chief "virtue" of the right-wing, and is unfortunately how they tend to hold sway over people. The British Nationalist Party, if I may talk about my own dear country (lmao), is a gang of racist thugs - this is self-evident (the two main leaders of the BNP were arrested several months ago for inciting racial violence). But they are supported by many people because they appeal to their sense of national pride. Why should I be proud of a country with a track record like mine?

 

The point I am trying to make is that pride in a nation can blind a person to its flaws. Nationals breeds obedience to laws that are bigoted and a state that is corrupt. And I would consider the people of a nation more important than the nation itself.

[Magdalene]

In North Korea is true socialism or communism? Everybody has nothing... There are few leaders and the rest is equally poor, that's socialism. (since it seems you don't really want to call it communism). It's also true that my country had never claimed it had been "Communist country", the goverment had claimed that the country had been "Socialist". However the ruling party was the communist party (this party still exists... bastards, they should all be in prison). And the communist ideology was the only accepted ideology. You know this ideology was created by Marx and Engels, then modified by Lenin. So the Marxism-Leninism came into existence and on its principles the eastern bloc was being built.

The strong. So, not having the genetic predisposition towards a muscular physique, or having not grown up in an environment where such a physique is created, makes someone less of a person. A worse person even. Okay.

 

The smart. Again, this means that those who are from a poorer background who perhaps couldn't afford a "real" education are lesser people. Then again, define "smart". Do you know the best way to plough a field? I don't, so doesn't that make me dumber than a farmer? Then again, I know how to examine accounts of a battle - does that make me smarter than the farmer?

 

And the people who want to work. Alright then, I can actually see the logic of this one. I have no sympathy for those who live off the UK's insane benefit system.

Well I meant it like that... The strong and the smart are the people who want to work... sorry I expressed myself pretty bad before.

 

And once again I am telling you that the whole education system in the Czech Republic is free, you don't have to pay anything. If you want you can study whatever you want... What a great education system! ^^, but the school buildings and school equipment is not the best... That's the price of completely free education... But I think it won't be free in 1 or 2 years. So EVERYBODY can afford education, at least for now.

 

Nationalism is a chief "virtue" of the right-wing, and is unfortunately how they tend to hold sway over people. The British Nationalist Party, if I may talk about my own dear country (lmao), is a gang of racist thugs - this is self-evident (the two main leaders of the BNP were arrested several months ago for inciting racial violence). But they are supported by many people because they appeal to their sense of national pride. Why should I be proud of a country with a track record like mine?

 

The point I am trying to make is that pride in a nation can blind a person to its flaws. Nationals breeds obedience to laws that are bigoted and a state that is corrupt. And I would consider the people of a nation more important than the nation itself.

Oh cool, in the Czech Republic is also National Party, though they are not really rascist. They only want to stop immigration from countries to the Czech Republic haha (but honestly, not many people immigrate to the Czech Rep. and still like 99.9% of the people in the Czech Rep. are the Czech). But still the national party is quite popular here... ^^

 

And I don't think that nationalism is a bad thing. I love my country and the Czech people, though I admit we are not flawless. But country with strong nationalism is united and powerful.

[Ancalagon]

IIRC, North Korea follows the Juche system which is sort of a Korean school of socialism or communist thought but really resembles neither. It's really odd, since they have their own thing going. I'm not even going to bother with that since, for me, it's too complex to go into (and I don't know enough about it, only a few tidbits).

 

Magdalene said:

But country with strong nationalism is united and powerful

 

Oh yeah, just look where Strong Nationalism got the Germans during the mid twentieth century. Real good example huh?

 

Look, Nationalism breeds dictatorships and tyrants, all demagogues, "The Man of the People" if you will. Look at Rome and Gaius Julius Caesar, that's why the Republic feared extreme Nationalism. It's nice that you can wrap yourself in your flag and that you're all patriotic and linked to your homeland, but just realize that history shows us repeatedly where Nationalism leads. It emphasizes group thought and stamps out individuality in the name of "The Nation" or "The State". It breeds a false sense of supriority amongst the populace so they'll be more acceptive when their Armies invade other "lesser" countries to spread "peace". Don't glorify Nationalism more than it deserves, lest you remain ignorant of History's Lessons.

[Evangelion_2014]

There is a difference between patriotism and nationalism. A true nationalist constructs a simplfied view of the world where "My culture is best, giving me the right to impose it on other countries", and views any kind of dissent to his world view as "unpatriotic". Thus he is extremely closed-minded and and scorns instruments like free press, alternative lifestyles, and freedom of religion, view them to be "corruping" national unity. The historical part of this was covered very well by Ancalagon and I need not say more there. A nationalist acts like mainstream society expects a "patriotic" person to act. A patriot truly cares about his country and acts to keep it's best interests in mind, even if it is not the popular thing to do at the time. Rosa parks was a patriot because she kept America's best interests in mind by opposing segregation even if it was not popular at the time.

 

On the actual post, I am a libertarian-democrat(libertarian because unlike most liberals, I think that death pentalty is good, illegal immigration laws should be reformed, less gun resrictions should be placed) other than that I am mostly a democrat