Bruma is broken

[Skoran]

I just finished the main quest (so I've been in Bruma recently) and started the DB quest.

 

I needed to be in Bruma for the quest where I have to drop the minotaur head on the guy in the chair but every time I enter Bruma the game crashes after its loaded for 80%. I tried completing the quest with console, but still my game crashes every time I enter Bruma.

I didn't recently install any new mods. Anybody has an idea what causes this?

 

Here is my load order:

 

Oblivion.esm

AWS-Core.esm

Mart's Monster Mod.esm

Kvatch Rebuilt.esm

Better Cities Resources.esm

HorseCombatMaster.esm

HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp

Colourwheels Sexy Female NPCs.esp

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp

Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

Better Cities .esp

Atmospheric Loading Screens - Random Quotes.esp

AWS-ShiveringIsles.esp

MIS.esp

MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp

Distant Chapel Bells.esp

Quiet Feet Complete.esp

Storms & Sound.esp

WindowLightingSystem.esp

Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp

Book Jackets Oblivion.esp

Bedrollsanyone.esp

bnmDLTIC-1-6.esp

ChaseCameraMod.esp

Harvest[Containers].esp

Crowded Cities 30.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp

AW_Wings.esp

CSR - Fine Iron.esp

CSR - Golden Saint.esp

DarkIllusionArmor.esp

DM-Lingerie.esp

KDCirclets.esp

SickleIrons.esp

Sinbloods_Nightweave_HGEC.esp

Underworld Armor.esp

R18PN - Lingeries.esp

Colourwheels Sexy Stock Armor & Clothing Replacer.esp

Colourwheels Sexy SI Armor & Clothing Replacer.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp

Mart's Monster Mod.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creature Skins.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp

Nightshade_Armor.esp

Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp

Hentai Mania.esp

Kvatch Rebuilt.esp

Servant of the Dawn.esp

24HrArenaAliveV2.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCfrostcrag.esp

Knights.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

The Lost Spires.esp

xuldarkforest.esp

xulStendarrValley.esp

xulTheHeath.esp

XulEntiusGorge.esp

xulFallenleafEverglade.esp

xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp

xulChorrolHinterland.esp

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp

xulBravilBarrowfields.esp

xulLushWoodlands.esp

xulAncientYews.esp

xulAncientRedwoods.esp

xulCloudtopMountains.esp

xulArriusCreek.esp

xulPatch_AY_AC.esp

xulRollingHills_EV.esp

xulPantherRiver.esp

xulRiverEthe.esp

xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

xulBlackwoodForest.esp

xulCheydinhalFalls.esp

xulAspenWood.esp

xulSkingradOutskirts.esp

P1DkeyChain.esp

Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp

Kobu's Skip Intro Mod.esp

RealisticForceMedium.esp

MidasSpells.esp

Faster Spells.esp

DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp

actors_in_charge.esp

77_Umpa_Sexy_walk.esp

Dark Dungeons - SI.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp

CuteElf11.esp

_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp

Elves Of Lineage II.esp

Beautiful People.esp

KendoGirl_Final.esp

Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp

Better Cities Full.esp

Better Imperial City.esp

MM_NoMoreAnnoyingMessages.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Streamline 3.1.esp

Colourwheels Sexy Hentais DarkRose.esp

FasterArrows250.esp

[Jenrai]

One guess would be a corrupted or twisted save matey. Perhaps someone in Bruma that really shouldn't be dead at that part of the game is, or the game can't find them.

First silly question; What size is your save game? Save bloating can be indicative of corruption and/or save failing.

Second Silly Question; Have you used godmode in Bruma and saved afterwards. I've seen some (as yet unconfirmed - testing it) vicious rumours that tapping up TGM and going on a killing spree, for example, can cause broken "cells"... persistent refs must've gone awol or something on that one because I can't see how wipin the floor with a few folks can break a cell, but hey, I couldn't see how a lotta things could do the twisted things they do until I started modding Oblivion. Logic does not apply. :D

Third silly question; Do you have any mods that make people who should be essential, not. I don't see any in the list that jump out at me, but having said that I don't know what all your mods do.

Fourth silly question; Well, this is more just a case of my curiosity getting the better of me actually - how come you're using MM-no more annoying messages? - Pretty sure that's a Wrye Bash feature that you could have just built into your bashed patch.

 

Troublehooting advice:

1- If your save files are larger than 12mb (and I'm being generous there) clean em with Wrye Bash. Its unlikely to cause damage that early but it is indicative of bloating.

2- Can you load a different save / start a new game and enter Bruma? Can you enter all the other cities ok?

3- Disable Streamline until we get to the bottom of this. In fact, if you get more than 20fps whilst fighting, can streamline altogether. Its unlikely to be causing your issue, and it is really good at what its supposed to do, but its not worth the trade off on a better system, and it can hamper troubleshooting issues.

4- Disable DR. Changes a whole heckuva lotta things in game, and makes troubleshooting other issues almost impossible whilst its active. Again, unlikely to be the actual cause of your issue, and its a fantastic mod (I personally can't play the game without DR & UV - Vanilla combat is soooo lame)

 

Let us know if any of that helps.

I also just noticed you have UL and BC active, but none of the compatability patches. You might wanna change that ASAP. Whilst they are mostly just placement issues, BC & UL need a lotta patches to function together properly. Look for Vorians' Unique Landscapes Compatability patches page on the download server.

Jenrai

[Skoran]

Silly answers :P:

1) My savegame is about 5.5 mb

2) Nope I don't use godmode

3) No, I don't see why I should use that kind of mod :p

4) I am quite the noob when it comes to Wyre bash so I had no clue

 

Troubleshoot:

 

1) As I said its 5.5 mb

2) I just loaded a save right after I finished the main quest and Bruma crashed again. I will try to start a new game.

EDIT: Started a new game (with better cities disabled) and now I could enter Bruma. I will now try it with Better cities enabled.

3) I am now going to disable streamline

4) If you mean deadly reflex: I will also disable it for now

EDIT: I disable it, I start Oblivion but when I load a save game it also crashes ... So I can't disable that

 

UL = Unique landscapes? But what is BC?

I thought those patches were in the omod (I downloaded the UL omod compilation)

 

Thanks for the long reply btw, much appreciated :)

[bben46]

This one is usually caused by the Player statue in Bruma. You are either using a different character, or you have changed the race of your character since the statue was created.

 

Here is a fix that (usually) removes the statue and allows you back into Bruma.

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=21008

[Skoran]

That fixed it, thanks man :D

 

But to jump to the opportunity: How do I remove those annoying messages (like: your horse is stabled ...") with Wyre bash?

And what compatibility patches do I need to install for UL and Better cities?