Communism v. Socialism v. Capitalism v. Feudalism

[Surenas]

Exactly, the trade offs are equal. Capitalism just gives people the freedom to choose, the freedom to compete :thumbsup:

Don't forget that the social net to field the hosts of losers of the competition is the product of early socialism, its perhaps only but true advantage. Welfare and education for all overshadows thus in a positive sense all political systems since the early 20th century and all culture circles and their organisations of the 21st.

 

The thread title is imo missleading, for it is the old Ptolemaic worldview of history, focused on the genuinely West-European and now Western culture - the minor part of the whole... and the whole turns out to be a 'revenge of God'

 

Democracy in the Western understanding of the term won't work in:

 

- Islamic culture

- Sino-culture

- Hindu culture

 

and perhaps not even in the South-American culture.

The isolated Japanese culture is a thing of its own, as it always was.

 

Moreover, the age of communism is over since the breakdown of the Sovjet Union, and history will see no medium-term remake. Feudalism is history, not to be confused with Islamic patriarchalism or authoritarianism and the preference of the collective over the individual as it is the case in Sino-culture.

 

The question is not 'what do we want?' but 'who are we?' and 'who are they that are not we?' A cultural, not a mere political thread.

[hoshi23]

Hindu is largely misunderstood. The word itself means non violence, but as it happened here some poeple turned it into something that is the opposite from the wisdom that has been imparted into humanity.

 

Humanity and that doesnt exist anyway thats the whole trouble right there but yeah nvm.

 

Popele are so cool in their knoweldge.

 

I know i have been cool.

 

Yet at the same time somewhere you wonder a slight feeling why i dont get anywhere.

 

That is very good sign to wake up from apathy and things goin somewhere.

 

Otherwise a culture is morally degraded.

 

Hollow like a bubble of mutli trillion dollars.

 

:sick:

 

Yet some poeple still act im so cool. :wink:

[Surenas]

Side Note

A simple example to prove the actual supremacy of culture and culture lines over secular political systems:

The reason why Turkey always remains at the end of the list of possible contenders for EU membership is not founded in human rights problems or alike but in the fact of being an Islamic state. And the Christian Europe doesn't want table fellowship with such a state - so simple is that. Of course diplomacy dresses the rejection in empty words. And the same is true for Australia as white part of the Asian community, Israel as welcome integral part of the Near East or Haiti as part of the Caribbean alliance - pious wishful thinking that fails due to fundamental cultural differences.

 

You can even dispute with a stubborn old-communist over modern civil law - at least your language will be the same.

With an Islamist you cannot talk in the matter. And that we know of bloody clashes between radical Hindi and Muslims in India is not a breaking news.

[hoshi23]

Side Note

A simple example to prove the actual supremacy of culture and culture lines over secular political systems:

The reason why Turkey always remains at the end of the list of possible contenders for EU membership is not founded in human rights problems or alike but in the fact of being an Islamic state. And the Christian Europe doesn't want table fellowship with such a state - so simple is that. Of course diplomacy dresses the rejection in empty words. And the same is true for Australia as white part of the Asian community, Israel as welcome integral part of the Near East or Haiti as part of the Caribbean alliance - pious wishful thinking that fails due to fundamental cultural differences.

 

You can even dispute with a stubborn old-communist over modern civil law - at least your language will be the same.

With an Islamist you cannot talk in the matter. And that we know of bloody clashes between radical Hindi and Muslims in India is not a breaking news.

 

Might be true, but I think that largely it only exist on a political level. Simple poeple are not that disconnected from each other.

Lets take Isreal and Palestina.

There are many down to earth Isreali that are anyhting but hardliners and also Palestina, which now would live very well together just as any other human beings, if there would not be that stupid border.

 

 

 

 

 

The hindu and muslim. Well HAHAHA.

 

BOTH SIDE CLAIMED SAI .........oops forgot his name... anyway both sides claimed him after death as their own

 

 

dumb heads.......whoever poepel do that are not hindu nor islamic.......they are simply extremist...

 

and claiming a satguru after his death your own and making a statue well where have i seen this aswell

 

hahahaha only there they made him at a cross ..............

 

 

what they all have togehter is they not understand a single thing...........

 

 

 

my solution: put em all on an island where they have to work together in order to survive

 

now that would be my kinda therapy

 

accalerated personal growth.......ofc only with those who would not resort to knifes and stuff because someone looked strange at them which would kinda end that whole alchemical soup reather quickly in a way not intended.......

[Maxwell the Fool]

Okay, now that Hoshi's done bashing religion, let's get back on track, shall we?

 

Yes, Surenas is right. But again the point of the thread is missed. The idea is to think inside the box of your chosen side (from the present list), and still defeat your opponents. This is a debate, not a discussion....... I was just trying to see if it was possible to have an informed debate on these forums, for a while it was going well, and still is, other than that little post that insults about ninety-percent of the population of Earth......... Surprised the thread hasn't been locked for that yet.

[hoshi23]

Okay, now that Hoshi's done bashing religion, let's get back on track, shall we?

 

Yes, Surenas is right. But again the point of the thread is missed. The idea is to think inside the box of your chosen side (from the present list), and still defeat your opponents. This is a debate, not a discussion.......

Thats a pretty fruitless activity hence it did no appear in my mind. My apologies.

 

Also i was not bashing religion (lat. ligere=understanding, universal understanding), but shaking poeple that are stuck in politics thinking themself to be religious.

 

Pople are mixing that up all the time not even looking for the very definition of the word itself.

[SilverDNA]

I like Denmark, nice country friends of me make their holidays there!

 

I want to express my point of view on the hole.

 

Non of the systems does include fully individualism and that's what counts to me most. It all comes down to a minority govern the majority completely ignoring individualism.

 

So every body has his strengths and weaknesses as an individual.  And every Individual regardless of strengths and weaknesses is in worth even in it's rights. And not a group of people can shorten that rights. 

 

Amicus iure, sed magis amica veritas. (Plain translated: I'm a friend of the laws, but more friendly I'm to the truth.) 

 

The simplest truth of it all is that if a minority rules above the majority, individualism is valued even more less.  In that case you have to adapt to that society, meaning that you have to bow your head to society and become a slave.  If you don't follow society you will feel the beast that lurks within it and become an outcast.  Meaning in clearly that a majority is disrespecting, or even more insulting, ignoring Individualism.  

 

Have fun!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Maxwell the Fool]

Again, this is about economic ideologies...... Not systems of government. :thumbsup:

[Balagor]

Again, this is about economic ideologies...... Not systems of government. :thumbsup:

 

Perhaps you can not seperate the two. Ideologies works different depending on the political enviroment. Should I choose between communism in Northcorea or Cuba, I chose Cuba :thumbsup: But it is still communism, in both forms.

[Maxwell the Fool]

Again, read the OP. PUREST! Based on the simplest philosophy. And yes, they can be separated from each other! Example: Capitalism can and has existed in dictatorships, republics, democracies, federations, confederations, colonies, empires, monarchies......! Point proven......

 

And while some are better matched to others (feudalism and monarchies) they can work with any and all above.... Though not well.

 

Linking the thread to another topic and then debating that new (and in this case irrelevant) topic is, by definition, off topic!