Communism v. Socialism v. Capitalism v. Feudalism

[MisterGumby]

Actually, we just got a multi billion Euro contract finished last week with Russia (uhh, ex commies), so our wheels are turning rather well at the moment. Greece is a small country, and is not ALL Europe.

The wheels are running way faster now in France, Germany, Belgium, Luxemburg, Switserland, Holland, Poland, Austria, Denmark, Sweden, and Turkey.

People are even more optimistic now, and are beginning to by more. I can feel it too in my nursery. Over here we think that the crisis will end at the ending of 2010.

 

....until the next crisis starts when the market rebounds, banks start to lend, and all that multiple TRILLIONS of dollars funneled into the banks finally comes into use, causing hyper inflation. You can't double the monetary supply in a year without expect appropriate inflation. Expect to see your purchasing power cut in half and your newfound consumer confidence destroyed.

 

And yes, Russia is ex-communist. EX. Peasants don't starve there anymore and Stalin can't send you to the gulag.

[Maxwell the Fool]

@Balagor: You mentioned that most arguments were invalid? Let me guess, all but yours? :thumbsup:

 

Anarchy=Not in the scope of the thread. Also, Property being theft is an ideal of communism. So take up a stance on that if that's how you feel.

 

Capitalism=The freedom to buy and sell as you wish. It is, in essence, the lack of government meddling in the economy. It's the absence of a system. Which makes it a system. Nothing is, after all, something.

 

Yeah, Greece is experiencing issues, and so is Iceland. Domino effect. I don't think that they'll be the only ones to fail.

 

Also, this inclusion of a topic is not about viability, the success of your argument is based on viability.

[Chaosblade02]

Bottom line is every system that we know of has flaws that any of us can knit pick at. Some are better than others, which are different for some people. I would prefer capitalism over socialism, but have problems with both, but many more issues with socialism, so I go with what I see as the lesser of 2 evils.

 

One problem I see with Capitalism, is that corporations tend to get too powerful in their governments, and have too much influence on policy, which almost never benefits or has support of the people itself, only the profits of the corporation. Legislation forcing people to have certain types of insurance is a good example. This happens in socialist countries too, but not nearly to the extent in a capitalist country.

 

Capitalism is basically an invitation for corruption. Greed prevails over all.

 

In whatever country or type of economy you have, money = power, and power = influence. And in a Democratic/Capitalist state, people don't have most of the power, corporation does. And politicians say whatever they need to the people to get elected and then they turn around and act out policy based on favors due from massive campaign contributions made by corporations as well as bribes. Just take a close look at the US. The whole system is so corrupt, its just amazing how most people don't even notice. America is a perfect example to use as to what happens when capitalism gets completely out of control.

 

Capitalism, its corporation that influences government, with socialism its the other way around. But I gotta say I am much more fearful of a more powerful government than I am of corporation, because at least I know where corporation stands and what their intentions are.

[hoshi23]

Yes very simply as every idiot and experts say it too you cannot overtax nature and shift the balance wihtout severe drawback. So what we are experiencing still is kinda that.

[Chaosblade02]

Yes very simply as every idiot and experts say it too you cannot overtax nature and shift the balance wihtout severe drawback. So what we are experiencing still is kinda that.

 

What exactly does nature have to do with this discussion?

[Maxwell the Fool]

@Hoshi: What the hell? I've never understood a post less..... Ever.

[hoshi23]

We are talking about system and their inherent flaws. The flaw is they all made by man and everytime man has exploited nature it ended with severe drawbacks.

 

This is now more or less the same lesson in history all over again.

We really need to find to a healthy balance within ourselfs.

 

Can you not see the connection nor chances that we now have in a historical aswell as economical sense?

[Maxwell the Fool]

Okay.... That was, miraculously, less intelligible.

[MisterGumby]

Bottom line is every system that we know of has flaws that any of us can knit pick at. Some are better than others, which are different for some people. I would prefer capitalism over socialism, but have problems with both, but many more issues with socialism, so I go with what I see as the lesser of 2 evils.

 

One problem I see with Capitalism, is that corporations tend to get too powerful in their governments, and have too much influence on policy, which almost never benefits or has support of the people itself, only the profits of the corporation. Legislation forcing people to have certain types of insurance is a good example. This happens in socialist countries too, but not nearly to the extent in a capitalist country.

 

Capitalism is basically an invitation for corruption. Greed prevails over all.

 

In whatever country or type of economy you have, money = power, and power = influence. And in a Democratic/Capitalist state, people don't have most of the power, corporation does. And politicians say whatever they need to the people to get elected and then they turn around and act out policy based on favors due from massive campaign contributions made by corporations as well as bribes. Just take a close look at the US. The whole system is so corrupt, its just amazing how most people don't even notice. America is a perfect example to use as to what happens when capitalism gets completely out of control.

 

Capitalism, its corporation that influences government, with socialism its the other way around. But I gotta say I am much more fearful of a more powerful government than I am of corporation, because at least I know where corporation stands and what their intentions are.

 

1. What is defined as "too much power?"

 

2. Name one corporation not-government-assisted that exhibits "too much power."

 

 

We are talking about system and their inherent flaws. The flaw is they all made by man and everytime man has exploited nature it ended with severe drawbacks.

 

This is now more or less the same lesson in history all over again.

We really need to find to a healthy balance within ourselfs.

 

Can you not see the connection nor chances that we now have in a historical aswell as economical sense?

 

Read my signature.

[MisterGumby]

Whoops. Double post.