Communism v. Socialism v. Capitalism v. Feudalism

[Maxwell the Fool]

I would argue that isolationism is ideal . And here's why:

 

Systems such as Mercantilism and Capitalism operate on a wave. They go up and down. The economy fluctuates. No one can really force it in a preferred direction. Because of this, it's best for the economies of a planet to not be as connected to one another. Think about it, if we all went up and down at the same time, wouldn't the troughs be inexorably lower? If we all went up and down independently then wouldn't the world market remain more or less constant, even if the prominence of an individual nation was shifted?

[myrmaad]

Ok I admit I got bored. I skimmed. I skipped. I didn't see any mention of Adam Smith, and the one thing I've ever heard Hoshi say that actually made sense was ignored. "Spiritual Materialism" is a great description of what evolved from John Calvin, but no one mentioned him, either.. I don't understand how you can have a logical thorough discussion without the contextual history that leads to comprehensive understanding.

 

Someone made a great point about how there's no such thing as a free market. I try to explain that all the time and that is what most interests me, in fact. Economists would flunk think thread, it gets an F. I like Keynes and I think Adam Smith is a relic who couldn't have possibly imagined a multi-national corporate economy. Smith's free market was based on local economies, where it actually worked, but it has evaporated into the mists of avalon.

 

Isolationism failed in the 1930s. No man's an island. No land's an island. Protectionism is great until you run short then the roosters come home to roost.

[Maxwell the Fool]

Myrmaad:

 

I don't think that Isolationism failed, I think that there wasn't enough isolationism to be effective. Notice that the great depression was a world wide thing, and, although it was more severe in the US than most places, the bounce back came due to war profiteering, which was then backed by strong isolationism, which carried us through the 50s.

[SilverDNA]

Oh, I found this lines in an old book form Artur Bloch's "Murphy's Law (Book 1 to 3)"

 

Ginsbers theories:

You can not win.

You can not stop.

you can not miss out on the game

 

Freeman's comment to Ginsbers theories

Every major philosophy that attempts to make life meaningful, is based on the denial of Ginsberg's theories.

Namely:

Capitalism is based on the assumption that you can win.

Socialism is based on the assumption that you can also stop.

Myth is based on the assumption that you can do without the game.

 

it seams to me that the other three Communism, Feudalism and Mercantilism fall into category of myth but I can not prove it so I leave this up to you.

[Coous]

Now I'm not totally very well in the subject as a whole in expertise,but I do know some what and here's what I personally think.

 

I like and prefer socialism, while I think Canada has done the best so far(mostly because of a workable public health coverage)seems like a gleaming beacon for what is capable.

Then again I can also argue with the past dabbling of socialism the U.S. has done very well. A great example of this is FDR for social security and various laws the help America stay on her feet longer without WW2's stimulation.Before that even Teddy Roosevelt(aka THE man imo) with his support and thanks for Upton Sinclair's novel passed the Food and Drug act of 1903.

 

I feel Communism to be fair is great on paper but never has been or will ever be implemented it relies on the anti-human nature to work and unachievable, and it's funny to say a country has a Communist government because it's impossible based on it's rules itself.but this is a talk of economic system and not government.

 

Pure Capitalism..horrible things would be crazy totally unregulated market is stupid. A great example is later 1800's early 1900's America shows how bad things can be without some rules in place and enforced.

 

Feudalism can't survive an advancing world especially that of a world of basic educated masses,while it did serve its purpose for Dark Age Europe it dose not have place in an fast advancing world,and growing too fondly of it and wanting to keep its preservation only weakens you.

 

Edit:I forgot Mercantilism I feel it's like Feudalism it has its place for a certain area and time,but like Capitalism did push forward I don't know too much of it that is like Capitalism,but somehow different all I can say for sure is its law of absolute amount of gold,and exporting more while importing less.

[Maxwell the Fool]

Mercantilism: It doesn't work if you have a limited amount of land.... which we do.

 

Coous: Sure, crazy crap can happen, but it all works itself out eventually. Those who are self-destructive self-destruct, and more rise to take their places. This leads to a natural wave system. Also, I can think of several examples where socialism failed the US: GM and the bank bailouts. Don't think the bailouts failed? Dig this:

 

The banks have all grown over the past quarter. Good, right? Not so fast. Why have they grown? The market has shown a LOSS! What's going on? Well, you remember how we're in massive debt? We're starting to pay that off! Yayayayayayaya again! And again, not so fast. We're paying it off by borrowing money that WE loaned the banks at 0% back from them at a standard rate. That's right, we're literally handing the banks more money, which is just putting us further into debt.

[Coous]

Mercantilism: It doesn't work if you have a limited amount of land.... which we do.

 

Coous: Sure, crazy crap can happen, but it all works itself out eventually. Those who are self-destructive self-destruct, and more rise to take their places. This leads to a natural wave system. Also, I can think of several examples where socialism failed the US: GM and the bank bailouts. Don't think the bailouts failed? Dig this:

 

The banks have all grown over the past quarter. Good, right? Not so fast. Why have they grown? The market has shown a LOSS! What's going on? Well, you remember how we're in massive debt? We're starting to pay that off! Yayayayayayaya again! And again, not so fast. We're paying it off by borrowing money that WE loaned the banks at 0% back from them at a standard rate. That's right, we're literally handing the banks more money, which is just putting us further into debt.

 

I am no economics expert,but I remember reading it or something one of the major flaws of capitalism is that really it's set up to have periodic failures. I agree on not handing the banks more money,but I have to somewhat agree with it. Banks are super important and having banks with money also ensures public optimism especially from what I learned about the Great Depression.

Also the market can seldom rarely fix itself,maybe you can recall President Hoover and how he did nothing and the great depression got even worse despite pleas. The stock market is a very corrupt place and to me is one the bastions of capitalism's evil. Every time we takes our eyes off and lower our guard stuff hits the fan there,but thank goodness no company isn't stupid enough to be like 1920's counterparts and sell more than 100% of their company in stock.

[Maxwell the Fool]

The "Periodic Failures" are due to the capitalist wave. I explained it earlier in the thread, or, if you like, you can look it up....

 

Also, the depression of the early 1920s (no one learns about this...), very mild government intervention, in combination with natural market movements, fixed the system. The government intervention, by the way, consisted of lowering taxes on business owners.......

[Butcer]

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[Aurielius]

I like Aristocracy Fascism and Monarchy

Aside from the fact that you are straying from the thread and present no supporting thesis, your signature speaks volumes as to your political persuasion.