Lehcar Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 I think it kind of stunk that unlike the Dragonborn and the Nerevarine, the protagonist of Oblivion wasn't "the chosen one". His/her birth was not prearranged by the gods. He/she is not the subject of some ancient prophecy. He/she is not the one who can stop the end of the world. Instead, the chosen one was someone else, and the main storyline was all about serving him (and technically it's HIM who ends up saving the world, not you). You were just an average cabbage who got caught up in it all by chance. There really was nothing special about you. Blegh... Sorry, but Martin was a weenie. I really feel he was just a very useless, silly, and unneeded character. There's no reason why the protagonist couldn't have been the illegitimate last Septim heir... race is always inherited from the mother, so Uriel Septim could have been the protagonist's father, regardless of their race. I enjoy roleplaying some prophesied hero of song and story... not that it isn't also fun to occasionally play as someone who isn't so special. But being a living legend feels more heroic. The protagonist is actually the center of the story. :happy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 How do you know race is always inherited from the mother? AFAIK the only person born from interracial breeding is Agronak gro-Malog (who admittedly is the same race as his mother, but we can't generalise from 1 example). I think a problem with Oblivion's protagonist being the illegitimate Septim heir is that you'd end up becoming the Emperor/Empress at the end of the game, meaning you wouldn't be able to carry on adventuring, you'd have to sit and rule the empire. It would also create a ton of lore problems in Skyrim, which is set later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notmyhome Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Actually, the current consensus is that the Champion of Cyrodiil was a Shezarrine, so they hardly were a "nobody". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) The Hero of Kavatch was certainly not a normal person. You don't even make it out of the first dungeon before the Emperor drops the chosen one bomb on you. You also discover in Knights of the Nine that you are the incarnation of Pelinal, which explains why you can slaughter whole armies without help. Edited July 30, 2014 by Lachdonin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notmyhome Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 That's something I've never quite understood. The "incarnation" of something implies that that thing was "born" at some point before. But Pelinal allegedly being a robot shouldn't even be able to be born, not to mention re-born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) That's something I've never quite understood. The "incarnation" of something implies that that thing was "born" at some point before. But Pelinal allegedly being a robot shouldn't even be able to be born, not to mention re-born.He was an organic robot, powered by a soul... I actually argued with MK about this, because what he discribed wasn't a robot, but a genetically engineered super soldier... But anyway... When he died that soul was released, and reincarnated as the Hero of Kavatch. It's even possible, ultimately, that soul will be reclaimed by Akatosh and sent back from n time to aid Alessia... Edited July 31, 2014 by Lachdonin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notmyhome Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Ah, ok, so yea, that'd be what I'd call an Android. Makes more sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfurius Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I think it can work. Sometimes not being the chosen one of destiny can make situations more tense. Because without some ancient prophecy behind your back, there is a real chance you could lose against whatever enemy you're facing. As Dragonborn or Neveraine, you had a destiny that was guaranteeing your success. As an ordinary person, you have no protections and you are disposable. IN a way, that makes you even MORE epic when you do conquer your enemy. Because there was no guarantee you would of won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Because without some ancient prophecy behind your back, there is a real chance you could lose against whatever enemy you're facing. As Dragonborn or Neveraine, you had a destiny that was guaranteeing your success That's a very hindsight heavy interpretation. Yeah, sure, as a game we know we win, but in-universe the prophecies of the Elder Scrolls are never 'The Dragonborn will defeat Alduin'. It's always about having a chance, it's never about certain victory. If a mortal stood against Alduin, then the world would be surely doomed. But if a Dragonborn does, there's a chance. Its not a 'be in this place at this time = Win' thing. It is the Hero that decides the outcome of the event, through their success or failure. If Alduin kills you, he eats the world. If you defeat him, he gets banished until round 2. Take Zurin Arctus's quote... Each event is preceded by prophecy. But without a hero, there is no event Chosen by the gods or not, so long as you are mentioned in the prophecy, you become the Hero. But that prophecy still doesn't pre-write the ending, it only sets the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfurius Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Because without some ancient prophecy behind your back, there is a real chance you could lose against whatever enemy you're facing. As Dragonborn or Neveraine, you had a destiny that was guaranteeing your success That's a very hindsight heavy interpretation. Yeah, sure, as a game we know we win, but in-universe the prophecies of the Elder Scrolls are never 'The Dragonborn will defeat Alduin'. It's always about having a chance, it's never about certain victory. If a mortal stood against Alduin, then the world would be surely doomed. But if a Dragonborn does, there's a chance. Its not a 'be in this place at this time = Win' thing. It is the Hero that decides the outcome of the event, through their success or failure. If Alduin kills you, he eats the world. If you defeat him, he gets banished until round 2. Take Zurin Arctus's quote... Each event is preceded by prophecy. But without a hero, there is no event Chosen by the gods or not, so long as you are mentioned in the prophecy, you become the Hero. But that prophecy still doesn't pre-write the ending, it only sets the stage. Hmmm true, prophecies never do state that you will win or not. Though to be fair having a prophecy does mean there is some sort of divine being that are working in your favor. You can't deny the fact that having help from powerful deities (whether they may be Daedra, Aedra, or something else) does give you a significant advantage over the common day hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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