Oblivion Bad performance (read the details on the post)

[Foxzone91]

Hello everyone,

 

I recently upgraded my PC from a ASUS ATI EAH2600 XT 256Mb to a Gigabyte ATI 5770 HD @ 1GbDDR5

The problem is, I get a very bad performance, with or without mods.

On dungens I usually get 30-60~FPS when no one is around, but when enemies appear I get 25 FPS.

Outside, I get 25 FPS ALWAYS.

My full PC specs are:

Foxconn G31MX Motherboard

Core 2 Quad 6600 @ 2,4Ghz X4

3 Gb DDR2 RAM (1Gb at 667Mhz and 2Gb at 800 Mhz)

Gigabyte ATI 5770 HD @ 1GbDDR5

Windows 7 64-bit

All drivers are updated and the ".ini" edit for multi core CPU doesnt work (also, some of the lines you are suppost to edit are not in my .ini)

 

Thanks for the help :thumbsup:

[Jenrai]

... You are aware that TV only runs at 25fps, yeah? Thats tops. And only in America. If you're in the EU, its 20...

 

Just thought I'd point it out. I'll look into what's making your comp tick when I've got a little more time on my hands.

 

Hope someone comes up with somethin fer you soon.

Jenrai

[Foxzone91]

... You are aware that TV only runs at 25fps, yeah? Thats tops. And only in America. If you're in the EU, its 20...

 

Just thought I'd point it out. I'll look into what's making your comp tick when I've got a little more time on my hands.

 

Hope someone comes up with somethin fer you soon.

Jenrai

 

Maybe you didn't understand my problem, or maybe you didnt understand what I meant by "fps" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate

 

Some games decend/standard FPS setting is 30, others are 60 (such as Oblivion).

 

My friend has 9600GT and a Dual Core, however he runs Oblivion fully stable at 60FPS.

[bben46]

Just because your system is supposed to support a higher frame rate that doesn't mean it is actually going to do it right out of the box. You will have to do some tweaking and experimenting to get that kind of performance. And you will actually have to do the work. We can only make suggestions. Here is mine. Tweak Guides. Read it and follow the guides. Start with your system and make the tweaks. then do the guide for your video card, and the game last. This should take you several days to do it right. - unless you do a marathon tweak fest. dont think you can get that kind of performance by taking shortcuts. However when you do finish, your system will be fine tuned. :thumbsup:

 

Tweak Guides: http://www.tweakguides.com/

[Foxzone91]

Just because your system is supposed to support a higher frame rate that doesn't mean it is actually going to do it right out of the box. You will have to do some tweaking and experimenting to get that kind of performance. And you will actually have to do the work. We can only make suggestions. Here is mine. Tweak Guides. Read it and follow the guides. Start with your system and make the tweaks. then do the guide for your video card, and the game last. This should take you several days to do it right. - unless you do a marathon tweak fest. dont think you can get that kind of performance by taking shortcuts. However when you do finish, your system will be fine tuned. :thumbsup:

 

Tweak Guides: http://www.tweakguides.com/

 

I already done it and there isn't much I can do... This isn't the only game that has a crappy performance... For instance, STALKER Call of Prypiat, Sacred 2 and Borderlands, all very good looking games run as smooth as silk, but Oblivion, STALKER Clear Sky and Neverwinter Nights have some serious performance issues....

[Jenrai]

Thank you for the link. Thats a useful one to add to my growing collection that I'd managed to miss somehow. ^^

As it states, most modern First Person Shooters tend to be locked at 30fps. This is not only to keep performance as near to standardized as it can be across varying systems, but also because aiming much higher than that detracts from what else the game can do at the time, therefore negatively impacting gameplay in other ways.

Going much beyond that is, as again stated in your article, quite possible, but usually only for bragging rights. I'm thinking what you are actually noticing is not specifically low FPS, which would give the appearance of your game running in slow motion (unless it was below about 10 FPS, which would give a fast slide-show style look) but frequent "see-sawing" between different FPS rates, resulting in a rather choppy look.

 

By the way - all your RAM is probably running at 667Mhz. That second gig at 667 will likely bottleneck your RAM's access speed. A computer is only as fast as its slowest component. Even so, thats not gonna be crippling you.

 

Ensure you are using Catalyst to set the major settings (AA, AS, HDR) and everything else for each of your games where possible.

 

Now the bad news - If this is across multiple games, and you followed tweakguides recommendations for your system, your card and your individual games, you have a computer problem. Assuming you did follow tweak guides recommendations to the letter, there's not much else I can suggest, as those guides are exceptionally detailed and cover pretty much every base there is. I frequently use tweakguides myself to check individual system recommendations if theres something in there that I'm not used to handling, or if something just seems like its not quite working as well as I would expect.

General troubleshooting wise, the first thing I would suggest is removing (disabling works too) your graphics card, making your computer revert to the onboard, and then removing every trace of your current driver build and control system for it. Then reinstalling it from scratch. If you've ever had a slightly dodgy driver download, or some malware has had a nibble at something, any problems that arose from that will likely still be present.

PS - Nice cards, aren't they? ;)

Hope you get to the bottom of it matey. Good luck.

Jenrai

 

**Edit** before I forget - if you do remove your control system & graphics drivers, make sure you clean the registry and reboot your computer before reinstalling them.

[Foxzone91]

Thank you for the link. Thats a useful one to add to my growing collection that I'd managed to miss somehow. ^^

As it states, most modern First Person Shooters tend to be locked at 30fps. This is not only to keep performance as near to standardized as it can be across varying systems, but also because aiming much higher than that detracts from what else the game can do at the time, therefore negatively impacting gameplay in other ways.

Going much beyond that is, as again stated in your article, quite possible, but usually only for bragging rights. I'm thinking what you are actually noticing is not specifically low FPS, which would give the appearance of your game running in slow motion (unless it was below about 10 FPS, which would give a fast slide-show style look) but frequent "see-sawing" between different FPS rates, resulting in a rather choppy look.

 

By the way - all your RAM is probably running at 667Mhz. That second gig at 667 will likely bottleneck your RAM's access speed. A computer is only as fast as its slowest component. Even so, thats not gonna be crippling you.

 

Ensure you are using Catalyst to set the major settings (AA, AS, HDR) and everything else for each of your games where possible.

 

Now the bad news - If this is across multiple games, and you followed tweakguides recommendations for your system, your card and your individual games, you have a computer problem. Assuming you did follow tweak guides recommendations to the letter, there's not much else I can suggest, as those guides are exceptionally detailed and cover pretty much every base there is. I frequently use tweakguides myself to check individual system recommendations if theres something in there that I'm not used to handling, or if something just seems like its not quite working as well as I would expect.

General troubleshooting wise, the first thing I would suggest is removing (disabling works too) your graphics card, making your computer revert to the onboard, and then removing every trace of your current driver build and control system for it. Then reinstalling it from scratch. If you've ever had a slightly dodgy driver download, or some malware has had a nibble at something, any problems that arose from that will likely still be present.

PS - Nice cards, aren't they? ;)

Hope you get to the bottom of it matey. Good luck.

Jenrai

 

**Edit** before I forget - if you do remove your control system & graphics drivers, make sure you clean the registry and reboot your computer before reinstalling them.

 

Thanks for all your help, I appreciate it =)

 

I already tried unistalling the drivers and removing them in the registry. It didn't solve anything.

 

Oblivion locks at 60 FPS I think, thats why im saying it has a terrible performance, since, when I am surronded by enemies (Fran's and MMM mods), the FPS tends to drop to 12-20 FPS, virtually unplayable, since, for exemple, when I'm trying to guard he stilll contunues to slash away, due to lag/shuttering.

 

I believe that the card is internaly damaged due to various reasons... I'm sending it to repair/exchange on monday (since its still on warranty =P)

 

Also, I was thinking of removing the 1GB with the 667 so that the 2GB can run on 800, do you recommend that?

 

Thanks again =D

[Jenrai]

You're welcome mate.

 

For the RAM, I would say it wouldn't change much, and if it did it would change it for the worse. You'll likely get better performance running 3g at 667 than you will running 2g at 800. If everything else was running smoothly, you probably wouldn't even notice the difference with 3g running at 800. Thats not to say there isn't a difference, its just it'd be a very minor one.

 

If Oblivion has an FPS cap... I honestly don't know. lol. I probably should. I know streamline and the like can enforce one, but really, your computer is powerful enough to run Oblivion on medium to high settings with a good number of mods anyways. Plus, like mentioned already, its across multiple games, so neither Streamline, Oblivion Stutter Remover (which I would have suggested if it was just Oblivion) nor any of the other performance enhancing mods are really not going to help, they'd only maybe hide the issue for a while.

 

I hope you get it sorted mate, good luck.

Jenrai

[bben46]

Oblivion has a 2Gig ram limit. However, any extra ram will free up more of the ram for Oblivion to use. I saw a big improvement when I went from 2 to 3 G But a very small or no improvement when I went to 4G. That was on an XP 32 bit system.

 

If I remember, on the console version (360) FPS is capped at 30FPS, So it runs 30 all the time with no droops or peaks. If you can get it consistently over 30 it should run great.

[Foxzone91]

You're welcome mate.

 

For the RAM, I would say it wouldn't change much, and if it did it would change it for the worse. You'll likely get better performance running 3g at 667 than you will running 2g at 800. If everything else was running smoothly, you probably wouldn't even notice the difference with 3g running at 800. Thats not to say there isn't a difference, its just it'd be a very minor one.

 

If Oblivion has an FPS cap... I honestly don't know. lol. I probably should. I know streamline and the like can enforce one, but really, your computer is powerful enough to run Oblivion on medium to high settings with a good number of mods anyways. Plus, like mentioned already, its across multiple games, so neither Streamline, Oblivion Stutter Remover (which I would have suggested if it was just Oblivion) nor any of the other performance enhancing mods are really not going to help, they'd only maybe hide the issue for a while.

 

I hope you get it sorted mate, good luck.

Jenrai

 

Acording to FRAPS, the frame cap in-game (not on the menu) is 60 if Im not mistaken, wich is the optimal FPS.

My older graphics card a ATI(ASUS) 2600 XT ran Oblivion on very high (with some problems, minor ones) and acording various videos and benchmarks (with people with better and wrost PCs), the card should run it at max with no stress.... I mean, come on! If a nVidia 9600 can run it at max, mine should have no problem....