prensa Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Hello! "I had Apocalypse Armory mod do that to me if I masterupdated it with FO3Edit, leaving it not masterupdated got me through, but I had to adjust my load order as once the AA .esp's were not masterupdated they had to go lower in it, a real hair puller this one." That's actually the real cause of the "clutter convergence" bug in the Taft tunnel & occasionally other places. It's why many mods from the Unofficial Patch, Apocalypse Armory, MMM & many others have all been blamed at some time. It's not the mod but the fact it's been Master updated. Master updating with FO3Edit does not make a genuine .esm, there are no ONAM records just the flag changed. So if the Master Updated plugin changes an area that another real .esm changes you get that weird bug as neither has override information for the other. Thus a Master Updated Unofficial Broken Steel plugin will cause the problem while the normal .esp version does not. The solution is to use FO3Edit in "FO3MasterRestore" mode to return the affected plugin back to normal, or simpy replace it with an unchanged version from the original download. None of the Unofficial DLC patches should be Master Updated. Master Update used to be recommended for all sorts of things, the main thing it can fix is the head/body mismatch caused by NPC's added by .esp's rather than .esm's as well as the navmesh bug often found in .esp's. Sometimes mods where even released with Master Update already applied instead of being made real .esp's, when clicked on in a Mod Manager the message "WARNING: This plugin has the file extension .esp, but its file header marks it as an esm!" will be displayed. Master Update is generally unnecessary with more recent mods as the bugs it did fix are better understood & as mentioned it can often be harmful. Hope this helps! Prensa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shidentora Posted August 16, 2014 Author Share Posted August 16, 2014 I would like to have a drink with you, friends:) Lol, drinks are one the house 'round here, Shi. Good to see you're still alive and kicking :tongue: Yup:)Posted on may profile that I'll be out until November, but that changed. Hope ya OK and Fallouting whenever ya can:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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