Minor issue that's causing me BIG problems... Can someone help?

MadRussian · May 6, 2010

Greetings. After a recent round of mod updates, I'm getting frequent crashes. I'm really stuck here and could use a hand! :thumbsup:

I think these crashes may be related to my COBL installation. (Everything else seemed completely straightforward.)

After reading through the COBL and Bashed docs multiple times and doing numerous searches, etc... Can someone show me the light?

While rebuilding Bashed Patch, the latest COBL Item Interchange (II) instructions (from 172) indicate to do the following:

1) Merge Patches: all II esps should be merged.

2) Import Inventory: all installed II placement plugins should be selected.

3) Leveled Lists: automatic for all II placement plugins.

Question is regarding #2. So In the Update Bashed Patch dialog, I found and checked "Import Inventory", and then also checked "Item interchange - Placement for FCOM", like this:

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1791/bashrebuildoption1.png

Then I got to thinking, if I've checked this one item, will this cause unwanted disruptions with the other items in the "Import Inventory" area... Should I be checking the others as well, like this?

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/9173/bashrebuildoption2.png

And then I thought maybe, since FCOM is using COBL as a resource, maybe I should not be checking "Import Inventory" at all (or any of its subcomponents), as there was no mention of this in the FCOM instructions...

So maybe it should look like this:

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9697/bashrebuildoption3.png

Now I am all confused. :confused:

So, does anyone know which way it should be?

(btw - I am using Wrye Bash 275, COBL 172, an FCOM setup, and BOSS to determine load order.)

Any help is greatly appreciated. Can't wait to get back ingame and go exploring (newly-added) Elsweyr and beyond! :smile:

Tomlong54210 · May 6, 2010

Upgrade to Wrye Bash 283. You should have everything checked in the sections for which they show up with few exceptions.

FCOM Bashed Patch <-- guidelines

Edit: Finishing the Installation <-- info about the final steps of the installation process

You should deactivate all green-text, italicized-text and purple-text plugins (also mentioned on the above-linked page.)

Edit: Post your load order, with Wrye Bash, please. Your problem might not just be related to the bashed patch.

MadRussian · May 6, 2010

Thanks for the response!

Upgrade to Wrye Bash 283.

OK, now I've got version 283 in place.

You should have everything checked in the sections for which they show up with few exceptions.

FCOM Bashed Patch <-- guidelines

OK, I will rebuild bashed patch with (almost) everything checked, per specification on that link.

Edit: Finishing the Installation <-- info about the final steps of the installation process

You should deactivate all green-text, italicized-text and purple-text plugins (also mentioned on the above-linked page.)

I checked and I have the following:

No italicized plugins
1 purple-text plugin ("TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp", now deactivated)
42 green-text plugins.

About those green-text plugins... I gather that green means "mergable", but after reading that last link thoroughly, all it says is to deactivate the green-text plugins. It says nothing about then merging them in (by placing them in the "+" state). I am fairly sure I need these plugins. Shouldn't I at least be "merging" them?

Also, as long as I'm under that 200+ limit (which I am at 194), do I really need to even merge these green plugins? Can't I just leave them activated?

Post your load order, with Wrye Bash, please. Your problem might not just be related to the bashed patch.

Here's my current load order (before any of the changes I'm about to make):

Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 TR_OoT_Main.esm
02 Jog_X_Mod.esm
03 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
04 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
05 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
06 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
07 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b1]
08 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
09 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
0A TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
0B FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]
0C Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.4]
0D UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
0E Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0F DLCShiveringIsles.esp
10 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
11 SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp [Version 1.05]
12 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
13 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
14 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
15 Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp
16 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
17 Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp
18 FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
19 FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1A FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1B Fran Armor Add-on.esp
1C Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
1D aaaBorsBedrolls.esp
1E ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp
1F ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Talos Plaza.esp
20 ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Elven Gardens.esp
21 ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Green Emperor Way.esp
22 ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Prison.esp
23 ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Arena.esp
24 ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Waterfront.esp
25 ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Temple.esp
26 ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - The Arcane University.esp
27 ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Market.esp
28 ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Arboretum.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76]
29 MM_TextLocks.esp
2A Crowded Roads.esp [Version 2.0]
2B DLCHorseArmor.esp
2C DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
2D SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp [Version 1.08]
2E DLCOrrery.esp
2F DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]
30 SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp [Version 1.06]
31 DLCVileLair.esp
32 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
33 SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp [Version 1.08]
34 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
35 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
36 SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp [Version 1.08]
37 DLCSpellTomes.esp
38 DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
39 PersuasionOverhaul.esp [Version 1.2]
3A DLCThievesDen.esp
3B DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
3C DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]
3D SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp [Version 1.08]
3E KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp [Version 1.2]
3F FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp [Version 0.9.9]
40 ExnemRuneskulls.esp
41 FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9]
42 Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
43 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
44 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
45 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
46 FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
47 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
48 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
49 Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
4A FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
4B Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
4C FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9]
4D Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
4E OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]
4F FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9]
50 FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
51 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
52 FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9]
53 FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]
54 FCOM_LessRats.esp [Version 0.9.9]
55 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b1]
56 Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b1]
57 Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.7b1]
58 Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp [Version 3.7b1]
59 Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp [Version 3.7b1]
5A Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b1]
5B Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b1]
5C Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b1]
5D Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b1]
5E Mart's Monster Mod - Durzog Addon.esp [Version 0.10]
5F TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
60 TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp [Version 1.39c]
61 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
62 FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
63 FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
64 FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
65 TIE In.esp [Version 1.2b]
66 TIE In - ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 1.2b]
67 TIE In - Cobl.esp [Version 1.2b]
68 TIE In - FCOM Convergence.esp [Version 1.2b]
69 TIE In - RealSwords.esp [Version 1.2b]
6A TIE In - MMM Gems.esp [Version 1.2b]
6B TIE In - MMM Craft.esp [Version 1.2b]
6C TIE In - DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 1.2b]
6D TIE In - BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 1.2b]
6E Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 0.18]
6F PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp [Version 1.2]
70 OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]
71 thievery.esp
72 VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
73 za_bankmod.esp
74 Lynges_Thieves_Highway-10256.esp
75 DLCFrostcrag.esp
76 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
77 SM Plugin Refurbish - FrostCrag.esp [Version 1.03]
78 Knights.esp
79 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
7A SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp [Version 1.06]
7B TIE In - Knights.esp [Version 1.2b]
7C RTT.esp
7D Mighty Umbra.esp
7E Blood&Mud.esp
7F Origin of the Mages Guild.esp [Version 6]
80 Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b1]
81 FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9]
82 FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
83 FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9]
84 FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9]
85 FCOM_OMG.esp [Version 0.9.9]
86 FCOM_OMGSRT.esp [Version 0.9.9]
87 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
88 FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp [Version 0.9.9]
89 ElsweyrAnequina.esp
8A Faregyl.esp [Version 1.0.10]
8B Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp
8C xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.3]
8D xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.1]
8E xulTheHeath.esp
8F XulEntiusGorge.esp
90 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
91 Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp
92 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
93 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
94 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.3]
95 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
96 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3]
97 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.2]
98 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
99 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.1]
9A xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.2]
9B xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
9C xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.2]
9D xulPantherRiver.esp
9E xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
9F xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0.2]
A0 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.3]
A1 xulBlackwoodForest.esp
A2 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
A3 Blood&Mud-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
A4 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0]
A5 BarrowFields-Blood&Mud-Patch.esp [Version 1.3]
A6 FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp [Version 0.9.9]
A7 Bag of Holding.esp [Version 1.5.0]
A8 Drop Lit Torches Weight.esp [Version 1.6]
A9 ReneersGoldMod.esp
AA Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
AB TIE In - Salmo, Cobl.esp [Version 1.2b]
AC TIE In - B&M.esp [Version 1.2b]
AD TIE In - DLCOrrery.esp [Version 1.2b]
AE TIE In - DLCThievesDen.esp [Version 1.2b]
AF TIE In - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 1.2b]
B0 RealHungerv1.4.esp
B1 RealisticFatigue.esp
B2 RealSleep.esp
B3 Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
B4 StealthOverhaul.esp
B5 Stealth Entrances v1.esp
B6 Denock Arrows.esp
B7 immersive_caves_auto.esp
B8 Dark Dungeons.esp
B9 Dark Dungeons - SI.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76]
BA Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.7b1]
BB Bashed Patch, 0.esp
BC CleanQuit.esp

EDIT:

Also, before I rebuild my bashed patch with all those new patch options selected (per FCOM Bashed Patch), should I go to the Test Hall and wait for 4 days? Curious if anyone knows exactly when it's important to do that?

Thanks for the help. :smile:

Tomlong54210 · May 6, 2010

The instructions to merge are followed by checking those plugins under the Merge section of the bashed patch. Deactivate them. Merged plugins do not need to be active while the bashed patch is rebuilt. You do not have to do the testing hall bit, but that might be helpful. Also, make sure to right-click on your save file and choose "update NPC levels".

Edit:

5B Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b1] <-- do not use with FCOM

B8 Dark Dungeons.esp <-- replace with Let There Be Darkness, which can be imported and deactivated

B9 Dark Dungeons - SI.esp

TIE In is not really compatible with FCOM. Corepc is currently working on a version of TIE4MODs that is, however. Plus, MMM has been updated multiple times since TIE In was last updated.

The latest FCOM setup is OOO 1.34 + MMM 3.7b3 + UFCOM. Hopefully that setup works, but I do not know if OOO 1.34 fits into that version.

Edit: Replace CleanQuit with FastExit version 2.

Downloading Mods <-- link to the OBSE version of OOO OBSE G&GD mod and Let there Be Darkness here

Stabilization Mods <-- link to Fast Exit here

Edit: Merged into MMM 3.7b3 already if you upgrade to it...

40 ExnemRuneskulls.esp

41 FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9]

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