Massive FPS drop - possibly LOD related?

[GooeyGungan]

Hey everyone,

Today, all of a sudden, I started getting a massive FPS drop whenever I look towards the Imperial City. I'll be at 60 FPS (capped b/c of Vsync) and then I look towards the IC, and it'll drop to 10 or 11. This is with Streamline dropping all the settings to minimum. Now, I have only looked at it from one side (over by Frostcrag and Bruma), but this still doesn't seem reasonable.

 

I did run TES4LODGen for the first time today, so could that be it? Also, I have Frostcrag Reborn, but when this happens, I'm not looking at Frostcrag.

 

I'm happy to provide my list of esp's I have active, but it's really long, so I'm not going to put it in this first post.

 

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance!

 

System specs:

Intel core i7 920

6GB DDR3 RAM

Radeon HD 5870

ASUS P6T Motherboard

Windows 7 64 bit

 

Edit: forgot to put OS

[Tomlong54210]

Are you running any other mods?

[GooeyGungan]

Yup. Lots. Here's a list of some of the biggies (or ones I thought might cause this):

QTP3

FCOM

Better Cities

Enhanced Weather

Streamline

Unique Landscapes (all)

The Lost Spires

Frostcrag Reborn

All the DLC (minus the fighter's keep one)

All the Unofficial Patches (minus the fighter's keep and Frostcrag ones)

Supreme Magicka

Midas Magic

Fearsome Magicka

Unnecessary Violence

Deadly Reflex

COBL

RAEVWD

 

Those are the ones I think might affect this, plus a few more for good measure.

 

Also, I'm using HDR, and have forced AAx8 by using my videocard's console.

[Tomlong54210]

Yeah...going to need a load order. Please post it using Wrye Bash. AA is going to hurt FPS, regardless. The same goes for heavy AI mods (i.e., mods that add many NPCs.)

 

 

Edit: Thereby, FPS should drop when looking at cities, especially toward areas with higher concentrations of NPCs.

[GooeyGungan]

Alright, here's my load order:

 

Also, I tried turning off AA, but that didn't help.

 

00 Oblivion.esm

01 ScreenEffects.esm

02 EnhancedWeather.esm [Version 1.4]

03 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

04 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm

05 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]

06 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]

07 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b1]

08 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]

09 Better Cities Resources.esm

0A Progress.esm [Version 2.2]

0B HorseCombatMaster.esm

0C UnnecessaryViolence.esm

** TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp

** TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp

0D Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]

0E UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]

0F Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

10 DLCShiveringIsles.esp

11 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]

12 Better Cities .esp

13 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp

14 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp

15 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp

16 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp

++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]

17 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]

18 EnhancedWeather.esp [Version 1.3.5]

19 Enhanced Weather - Across-The-Borders Mods Patch.esp [Version Final]

1A Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp

1B PCSoundRhett.esp [Version 2.6]

1C diversegrasses.esp

++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76]

1D RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.7]

1E RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.5]

1F RAEVWD Imperial City.esp [Version 1.7]

20 DLCHorseArmor.esp

21 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

22 DLCOrrery.esp

23 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]

24 DLCVileLair.esp

25 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

26 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

27 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]

28 DLCSpellTomes.esp

++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]

29 DLCThievesDen.esp

2A DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

2B DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]

2C Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]

2D Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]

++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44]

2E Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp

2F FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]

30 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp

31 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9]

32 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]

33 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9]

34 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b1]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.7b1]

35 Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp [Version 3.7b1]

36 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b1]

37 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b1]

** MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]

38 DLCfrostcrag.esp

39 FrostcragRebornCobl.esp

3A Knights.esp

3B Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]

3C The Lost Spires.esp

3D xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.4]

3E LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp

3F xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]

40 xulTheHeath.esp

41 XulEntiusGorge.esp

42 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]

43 LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp [Version 1.2]

44 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]

45 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]

46 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]

47 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]

48 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3]

49 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.2]

4A xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]

4B xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]

4C xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]

4D xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]

4E xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.2]

4F xulPantherRiver.esp

50 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]

51 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0.2]

52 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.3]

53 xulBlackwoodForest.esp

54 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]

55 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.1]

56 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp

57 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]

++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]

++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]

58 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]

59 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]

5A Quest Award Leveller.esp [Version 2.0.1]

++ Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp [Version 2.1.0]

++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp [Version 2.1.0]

++ Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp [Version 2.1.0]

5B SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.89]

5C SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]

++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]

++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]

5D SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80]

++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]

++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83]

5E MidasSpells.esp

5F Midas OscuroGems.esp

++ Midas Betterholy.esp

++ Midas Reduced Costs Half.esp

++ Midas PowDur2x.esp

++ Midas Eldrich Power 4x.esp

++ Midas Tigernolevel OBSE.esp

60 Midas BeastFortify Fix OBSE.esp

61 FearsomeMagicka.esp

62 Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp

63 DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp

++ SM_DeadlyReflex.esp [Version 0.86]

64 ProgressMBSP.esp [Version 2.0]

65 ProgressSBSP.esp [Version 1.0]

66 ProgressRBSP.esp [Version 1.0]

67 ProgressRacial.esp

68 ProgressArmorer.esp [Version 1.0]

69 S.P.A.M. 100+.esp

** Item interchange - Placement.esp [Version 0.76]

++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76]

++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp [Version 0.76]

++ Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp [Version 0.76]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.7b1]

6A Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]

** Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53]

** Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53]

++ Cobl Races - Balanced.esp [Version 1.52]

6B Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp

6C Better Cities Full.esp

6D BCBravilFULL-Barrowfields patch.esp

6E BCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.esp

6F BCCheydinhalFULL-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp

70 BCSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.esp

71 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp

72 Better Imperial City.esp

73 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2]

74 ScreenControls.esp

75 UnnecessaryViolence.esp

++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]

76 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

77 Streamline 3.1.esp

[Tomlong54210]

Turn off screen effects. Did you look at the other suggestions, and pickup OSR, tweak the INIs, etc.

 

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b1] <-- drop

01 ScreenEffects.esm <-- drop this and the rest of it too

Drop OBGE if you use it

 

What is your FPS range? You are running an intense load order.

1C diversegrasses.esp <-- drop

 

Have you defragged your HDD?

 

 

Edit: Just like the bashed patch, you should rerun TES4LODGen, whenever you make changes to your LO.

[GooeyGungan]

Alright. I'm not at home right now, so I'll try that tonight.

As far as my FPS range, when things aren't loading, and barring this issue, I'm almost always at/above 30 FPS.

 

Also, could it be 71 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp? If I remember correctly, the file said that it only generated these LOD objects when you ran TES4LODGen. If this is the problem, would disabling it and running TES4LODGen again solve it? Or would I have to go in and delete some objects?

 

Also, thank you so much for your help!!

[Tomlong54210]

Alright. I'm not at home right now, so I'll try that tonight.

As far as my FPS range, when things aren't loading, and barring this issue, I'm almost always at/above 30 FPS.

 

Also, could it be 71 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp? If I remember correctly, the file said that it only generated these LOD objects when you ran TES4LODGen. If this is the problem, would disabling it and running TES4LODGen again solve it? Or would I have to go in and delete some objects?

 

Also, thank you so much for your help!!

That is a great FPS standing with your load order. You are running FCOM, which is very CPU-intensive. BC VWD definitely hits your FPS. Uninstall it and rerun TES4LODGen, if you want... You would only have to deactivate the plugin, but you might as well delete/uninstall it.

[GooeyGungan]

Well, I reinstalled Really AEVWD, and that brought the FPS up to about 20, which is good enough for me. I think the amount of far away objects was just too much. Perhaps the ones generated by TES4LODGen are too detailed?

[Tomlong54210]

Well, I reinstalled Really AEVWD, and that brought the FPS up to about 20, which is good enough for me. I think the amount of far away objects was just too much. Perhaps the ones generated by TES4LODGen are too detailed?

TES4LODGen is used to take full advantage of RAEVWD. TES4LODGen is just the generator. The detail of the LOD files is created by RAEVWD. You should expect it to really hurt FPS. If you uninstall it and then rerun TES4LODGen, you should notice a considerable increase.