Game crashes halfways through loading bar (New!)

[emilsuperman]

Hello everyone! I've come across a problem that seems usual here but the solutions have not worked for me.

 

My oblivion quicksave has somehow become unplayable, because when I load it, it crashes halfways for some weird reason.

The character is saved @ anvil, outside benirus manor if it's any help, I've played about 36 hours on it and it was created while the game was patched to 1.2.416 / the newest one with the memory fix so it shouldn't be that.

 

I tried turning off all the mods I have, didn't work with them nor without them, tried to delete the .ess and rename the .bak , no luck there either, it still crashes.. (previous save was a bit closer to anvil gates) I also tried using the OBMM conflict detector but the problems listed there didn't screw the game up in my earlier saves so that shouldn't be the reason either..

 

I'm all out of ideas, can someone please help me? I'll post my mod loading order below, but I (kind of) doubt it'll work since the game crashed even without mods.

 

Best regards,

 

 

00 Oblivion.esm

01 CM Partners.esm

02 Better Cities Resources.esm

03 Nicos Gift.esp

04 KT_CustomRaceFix.esp

05 Border Removal.esp

06 Deadlier Sneaking.esp

07 Darkgreen Glass Armour.esp

08 Gray Cowl of Nocturnal fix.esp

09 DLCHorseArmor.esp

0A Marksman Velocity.esp

0B DLCOrrery.esp

0C 300_Akaviri_Stronghold.esp

0D DLCFrostcrag.esp

0E LightWeapons.esp

0F _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp

10 HouseMapMarkers.esp

11 DLCThievesDen.esp

12 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

13 DLCVileLair.esp

14 Advanced Magic.esp

15 XulEntiusGorge.esp

16 MaleBodyReplacerV3.esp

17 DLCShiveringIsles.esp

18 Septim Mansion.esp

19 Dreadweave Complete_Heavy.esp

1A Dreadweave Complete_Light.esp

1B ForecastersWill.esp

1C RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp

----> Delinquent MASTER: RenGuardOverhaul.esp

1D TFF_FantasyFigures_Base.esp

1E Wayshrines in the University.esp

1F RenGuardOverhaul.esp

20 SilverwareWeapons.esp

21 AlchemistsCave.esp

22 Streamline 3.1.esp

23 Ancient Silver Armor.esp

24 Dangerous Waters.esp

25 Nicoroshi Creations DW Light.esp

26 RTT.esp

27 EiAmod.esp

28 WOTFH_1.3.esp

29 HeartOftheDead.esp

2A The Blood Court.esp

2B DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

2C New Frostmourne Sword by Jojjo v1_0.esp

2D Lich King's Helm v1_0.esp

2E Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp

2F Shadowcrest_Vineyard.esp

30 HoarfrostCastle.esp

31 MidasSpells.esp

32 VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp

33 Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp

34 Scribe Supplies.esp

35 Thorlak Island.esp

36 Better Cities Full.esp

37 Better Imperial City.esp

38 Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp

39 Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp

3A Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp

3B Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp

3C Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp

3D Better Cities .esp

3E NexonsArmoryENG.esp

3F no_sun_damage_vampires1.esp

40 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[bben46]

This could be a hint.

----> Delinquent MASTER: RenGuardOverhaul.esp

 

It says you are missing a master for this mod. I have found Ren Guard overhaul to have problems with several other mods also.

 

Just leaving mods un clicked in the OBMM or Data list does not actually remove them. it just prevents the esp from loading. Many leave behind meshes and textures in those folders. That is why I recommend either BAIN or OMODs for loading and removing mods. Both of these actually remove the entire mod. As well as make it easy to put it back.

 

If you really want to remove all mods and return to a vanilla game for troubleshooting.

This procedure is completely reversible.

Bben's Oblivion Revert to Vanilla game

http://www.tesnexus.com/articles/article.php?id=340

 

Then, instead of copying your old data folder back, use BAIN or OMODs to reinstall your mods. They should still work with your old saves after that. And you will have much more control over your mods.

 

BAIN is part of Wrye Bash, OMODs are part of OBMM.

[emilsuperman]

Okay, I'll try that out. Cheers! :)

[emilsuperman]

Son of a ***** ! (the savegame that is) I removed Reneer's Guard Overhaul mod and it loaded until about 80% and then died. I was almost hoping that it'd start working again, haha.. poo.

 

edit #2,

 

Is there no way to change the PC's cell out of the game? Since Wrye can remove/add spells and change lots of stuff out of game, I had a thought about this but I forgot to ask about it.

 

edit #3, The guard mod was only 2 esp's btw so it should've been ok with them de-activated, shouldn't it?

 

edit #4,

 

current load list

 

00 Oblivion.esm

01 CM Partners.esm

02 Better Cities Resources.esm

03 Nicos Gift.esp

04 KT_CustomRaceFix.esp

05 Border Removal.esp

06 Deadlier Sneaking.esp

07 Darkgreen Glass Armour.esp

08 Gray Cowl of Nocturnal fix.esp

09 DLCHorseArmor.esp

0A Marksman Velocity.esp

0B DLCOrrery.esp

0C 300_Akaviri_Stronghold.esp

0D DLCFrostcrag.esp

0E LightWeapons.esp

0F _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp

10 HouseMapMarkers.esp

11 DLCThievesDen.esp

12 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

13 DLCVileLair.esp

14 Advanced Magic.esp

15 XulEntiusGorge.esp

16 MaleBodyReplacerV3.esp

17 DLCShiveringIsles.esp

18 Septim Mansion.esp

19 Dreadweave Complete_Heavy.esp

1A Dreadweave Complete_Light.esp

1B ForecastersWill.esp

1C TFF_FantasyFigures_Base.esp

1D Wayshrines in the University.esp

1E SilverwareWeapons.esp

1F AlchemistsCave.esp

20 Streamline 3.1.esp

21 Ancient Silver Armor.esp

22 Dangerous Waters.esp

23 Nicoroshi Creations DW Light.esp

24 RTT.esp

25 EiAmod.esp

26 WOTFH_1.3.esp

27 HeartOftheDead.esp

28 The Blood Court.esp

29 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

2A New Frostmourne Sword by Jojjo v1_0.esp

2B Lich King's Helm v1_0.esp

2C Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp

2D Shadowcrest_Vineyard.esp

2E HoarfrostCastle.esp

2F MidasSpells.esp

30 VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp

31 Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp

32 Scribe Supplies.esp

33 Thorlak Island.esp

34 Better Cities Full.esp

35 Better Imperial City.esp

36 Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp

37 Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp

38 Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp

39 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp

3A Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp

3B Better Cities .esp

3C NexonsArmoryENG.esp

3D no_sun_damage_vampires1.esp

3E Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[bben46]

It has been so long since I removed rens guard overhaul I don't remember what it included. Or what it conflicted with.

 

Recommendation

Use the vanilla game - no mods at all.

 

Test it. It probably won't work with your saves because the saves will look for the mods and probably CTD when certain mods aren't there. So do a test at the end of the tutorial where you come out of the sewer. then in the IC Market district then in the location where you are getting crashes now. Make new vanilla working saves at each location for troubleshooting.

After you get a set of working vanilla saves. Add mods, One at a time. Use OMOD or BAIN it dosn't matter which, you can even mix them if you like. Test each newly added mod at all 3 locations. make a new save at each that includes the new mod. But do not overwrite those vanilla troubleshooting saves. They can come in handy.

 

After you have about a dozen mods working, start using BOSS to set your load order after every few added mods.

Edited May 15, 2010 by bben46

[emilsuperman]

Felt like doing that would take a lot longer than just replaying those 5 hours so that's what I did.. and I re-visited anvil, hung out there for about 30 mins and the game crashed again. Possibly, I saved the game in a cell that, in my game, always crashes or something like that. In a previous save game, I had exactly the same problem (about 2 years ago however) and it made me quit the game totally, until a month ago or so. Thanks for the help though, I hope that bethesda will allow even more outside-game control in TES V so that players who screw their saves up can get their characters free without having to re-play :biggrin:

 

Cheers! :tongue:

[Tomlong54210]

Do you use Darn UI or another UI mod? Also, your load order could be arranged a little more logically. Have you tried BOSS? It should be able to take care of ordering most of those plugins properly for you. You do have a couple of conflicts in your load order, but I do not know if you are still using it. If you are, could you post your load order here through Wrye Bash again after sorting it with BOSS.

 

Load Ordering - http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/finishinstall/loadorder <-- An LO template and a link to BOSS (and the masterlist manager utility.)

[emilsuperman]

Do you use Darn UI or another UI mod? Also, your load order could be arranged a little more logically. Have you tried BOSS? It should be able to take care of ordering most of those plugins properly for you. You do have a couple of conflicts in your load order, but I do not know if you are still using it. If you are, could you post your load order here through Wrye Bash again after sorting it with BOSS.

 

Load Ordering - http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/finishinstall/loadorder <-- An LO template and a link to BOSS (and the masterlist manager utility.)

 

Nope, I'm not using any UI mods atm. I'll check out BOSS right now and post the load order in a moment. :laugh:

 

edit: here we are! Fixed quite a bit!

 

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  Better Cities Resources.esm
02  CM Partners.esm
03  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
04  Better Cities .esp
05  Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp
06  HouseMapMarkers.esp
07  DLCHorseArmor.esp
08  DLCOrrery.esp
09  DLCVileLair.esp
0A  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
0B  MaleBodyReplacerV3.esp
0C  TFF_FantasyFigures_Base.esp
0D  Ancient Silver Armor.esp
0E  Darkgreen Glass Armour.esp
0F  Dreadweave Complete_Heavy.esp
10  Dreadweave Complete_Light.esp
11  Lich King's Helm v1_0.esp
12  New Frostmourne Sword by Jojjo v1_0.esp
13  NexonsArmoryENG.esp
14  Nicoroshi Creations DW Light.esp
15  Nicos Gift.esp
16  SilverwareWeapons.esp
17  DLCThievesDen.esp
18  300_Akaviri_Stronghold.esp
19  AlchemistsCave.esp
1A  EiAmod.esp
1B  Scribe Supplies.esp
1C  Septim Mansion.esp
1D  Thorlak Island.esp
1E  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
1F  Wayshrines in the University.esp
20  WOTFH_1.3.esp
21  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
22  DLCFrostcrag.esp
23  RTT.esp
24  HoarfrostCastle.esp
25  Shadowcrest_Vineyard.esp
26  HeartOftheDead.esp
27  XulEntiusGorge.esp
28  Border Removal.esp
29  Advanced Magic.esp
2A  ForecastersWill.esp
2B  MidasSpells.esp
2C  Marksman Velocity.esp
2D  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp
2E  KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
2F  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
30  Better Cities Full.esp
31  Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp
32  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp
33  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
34  Better Imperial City.esp
35  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
36  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
37  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
38  Streamline 3.1.esp
39  Deadlier Sneaking.esp
3A  Gray Cowl of Nocturnal fix.esp
3B  LightWeapons.esp
3C  Dangerous Waters.esp
3D  The Blood Court.esp
3E  no_sun_damage_vampires1.esp

[Tomlong54210]

None of the plugins after Streamline belong there. I know Deadlier Sneaking is already recognized by BOSS. Make sure you have the latest version of BOSS and the latest masterlist update. Are you using the latest version of OBSE? Is your game patched to the latest version, or are you using the GOTY edition?

 

For plugins that BOSS does not recognize, use the template on the page I linked earlier to sort them into appropriate positions.

 

39 Deadlier Sneaking.esp

3A Gray Cowl of Nocturnal fix.esp

3B LightWeapons.esp

3C Dangerous Waters.esp

3D The Blood Court.esp

3E no_sun_damage_vampires1.esp

 

SL.ini Tweaks - http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/stabilization/streamline <-- use this to setup Streamline's INI file properly

Stabilization Mods - http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/stabilization/stabilizationmods <-- I also recommend replacing the KT Custom Race fix with the Unofficial Oblivion Patch (as it fixes much more.)

[emilsuperman]

Yeah, I have the latest version of OBSE, downloaded it like last week. The mods (except the blood court which I've removed) come in handy at times and make up for the little space they take up and they're not the reason for the crash either as they weren't even "there" sort of speak. I've already changed my streamline.ini and I'm getting the unofficial oblivion patch sometime this week as I read the "patch notes" and was astounded by the massive amount of bugs it fixed.

 

 

That's all for me for a while, (I guess, as my coming here was only because I had this problem, though I frequently visit tesnexus for mods)

 

cheerios and thanks for the help & tips!