Looking for lists of most stable Item/Player oriented mods/overhauls

[runlvlzero]

Well... Let me start off... I'm bored of OOO and OOOMMM which work really good. I had these running with almost no stability issues at all.

 

So lately I've been trying other combo's... MMM and FFFMMM was really unstable for me (installed, patched and wrye bashed latest versions).

 

I don't mind using mods like Item Interchange etc...

 

So what do you guys use? Whats been stable for you... I'm more ore less interested in about 10 or 20 mods that add items, NPC's, fix the level scaling of vanilla.

 

I am just bored of all the vanilla items/equipment and want a bit more enemy variety. I can't tell u how boring it is to loot and equip your latest set of uber deadric with sigil stones farmed out of the gates after about 2-3 hrs of game play. A mod were I can find a really nice set of unique armor and such after about 40-50 hrs of game play would be ideal.

 

I did download all of the frans armor addons, and artifacts and armormentium and the HGEC patches for those... So I can Item Interchange them into a base frans install.

 

Is warcry just loaded with items, is it better then frans?

 

Anyone ever use TIE+MMM? does that work well together without TIE4MODS etc? What about TIE + Item Addon mods + Item Interchange?

 

What do people like for economy/scaling, I have tamriel travelers and Enhanced Economy but I haven't been able to try them out due to the stupid CTD's I am getting with MMM or Frans...

 

Anyway my main CTD is on the road running from anvil to kvatch after that first in and right before you get to kvatch were your going downhill I CTD every single time with FFF/MMM installed.

 

Anyone able to compare the items and monsters in a full install of Frans vs MMM? Is MMM really worth it, is the variety in just Frans good enough?

 

Anyway thanks and I look forward to everyone's suggestions... FCOM is just too much for this machine...

 

BTW comp specs are amd 3200, (2.1 ghz), 2gig ram, 512mb Geforce 8600GT - 200 GB free disc space, Windows XP

 

I'm also trying to limit the amount of ESP's and packages I have to install beyond cosmetic stuff. You know I don't wan't like 200 ESP's with heavy scripting and crazy stuff going on that's going to make OBSE/etc crash allot on a single threaded machine.

 

I'm almost ready to just go back to OOOMMM ... that was nice...

[runlvlzero]

Well the CTD right near gotshaw is not MMM, FFF, or Deadly Reflex's, or UV, its got to be one of the other mods i'm using... I'm gonna guess its one of the Unofficial Patches or a Supplemental Unofficial patch or something changing the AI. The Unofficial patches are the only other major mods I'm running that edit anything in the tamriel world space, the rest are just player oriented ... scripts... Cobl maybe but really I doubt it is cobl.

[Tomlong54210]

The UOPs only fix. Other mods change the AI packages. Could you post your load order for me? The simplest overhaul solution is to use only one. MMM+OOO should be very stable since the teams work together closely. The UOP and COBL should definitely not be responsible for these crashes.

 

 

Edit: It seems like you are trying out many complex overhaul combinations, a number of which are not natively supported. The most stable combination you have mentioned is MMM+OOO. FCOM, of course, is intended to be a combination of overhauls as well, so, when properly setup, it should not cause crashes on its own either. I really would like to look your load order over. I am fairly familiar with all of the mods you have mentioned and very familiar with most of them.

[Shadowfen]

The UOPs only fix. Other mods change the AI packages. Could you post your load order for me? The simplest overhaul solution is to use only one. MMM+OOO should be very stable since the teams work together closely. The UOP and COBL should definitely not be responsible for these crashes.

 

 

The UOP (at least the version I tried) can cause CTD's when they are newly applied to a save game that is long advanced (already head of most of the guilds, Champion of Cyrodiil, etc). I didn't know why, but it happened to one out of three of my characters consistently and UOP was demonstratively the cause.

[runlvlzero]

= Check Mods
* 00  Oblivion.esm
* 01  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
* 02  HorseCombatMaster.esm
* 03  UnnecessaryViolence.esm
* 04  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.6]
* 05  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
* 06  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
* 07  Atmospheric Loading Screens - Random Quotes.esp
* 08  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 3.4.3]
* 09  DLCHorseArmor.esp
* 0A  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
* 0B  DLCOrrery.esp
* 0C  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
* 0D  DLCVileLair.esp
* 0E  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
* 0F  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
* 10  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
* 11  DLCSpellTomes.esp
* 12  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
* 13  DLCThievesDen.esp
* 14  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
* 15  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
* 16  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
* 17  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
* 18  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]
* 19  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
* 1A  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
* 1B  DLCFrostcrag.esp
* 1C  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
* 1D  Knights.esp
* 1E  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
* 1F  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]
* 20  ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp
* 21  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.1.1]
* 22  lwb_unarmored_stats_skills.esp
* 23  Quest Award Leveller.esp
* 24  Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp
* 25  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp
* 26  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp
* 27  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp
* 28  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
* 29  Poison Arrows.esp
* 2A  RshAlchemy.esp
* 2B  EnchantmentRestore.esp
* 2C  EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp
* 2D  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
* 2E  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
* 2F  Oblivion XP.esp  [Version 4.1.5]
* 30  lumi_enchantments.esp
* 31  UnnecessaryViolence.esp

 

This is my current load order, I'm trying trying trying to troubleshoot the CTD... I had a save right before the problem area and loading from that save I had no issues. However every time I created a new character it would CTD there if I ran directly from anvil docks to gotshaw via the road. I tested the problem area individually after loading and configuring each mod.

 

Now that everything is installed again I'm going to create a few characters and see if I can get it to CTD in that spot again.

 

These are all new games, newly created, no old saves. So I'm not having that kind of problem shadow fen. Just trying to get the mods I want loaded stably before I try and invest 60 hrs =)

 

This current load is after a "deactivate and clean all" in OBMM which so far seems to be working... Next I'm gonna try the overhauls, it could be a conflict between one or more of these mods at the same time.

[Tomlong54210]

Do you have the latest version of OBSE? I guess you do... Clean save and update Enhanced Economy for one. Troubleshooting crashes on correct load orders is always harder. I am really too tired to be of much use to you. If you have still not figured out the problem, I will be sure to look this over tomorrow, and after you take care of this I can help you with your overhaul questions. I really just need to rest for a day.... The other thing to try is temporarily disabling Alternative Start. This crash almost sounds familiar to me... It is not the UOP. I need to think over this a bit... Regenerating the Oblivion.ini may help with this one. Remove it from your Document\My Games\Oblivion folder and relaunch.

[runlvlzero]

Do you have the latest version of OBSE? I guess you do... Clean save and update Enhanced Economy for one. Troubleshooting crashes on correct load orders is always harder. I am really too tired to be of much use to you. If you have still not figured out the problem, I will be sure to look this over tomorrow, and after you take care of this I can help you with your overhaul questions. I really just need to rest for a day.... The other thing to try is temporarily disabling Alternative Start. This crash almost sounds familiar to me... It is not the UOP. I need to think over this a bit... Regenerating the Oblivion.ini may help with this one. Remove it from your Document\My Games\Oblivion folder and relaunch.

 

Roger that, get some sleep =)

 

And ya I was able to reproduce it. 3x now. Starting from a brand new game. One game I created an Imperial, ran through anvil, picked up some heavy armor, fought the bandit, then crashed 100ft before gotshaw (usually just a wolf spawns there in vanilla at lvl 1)

 

I then used another imperial from scratch ran around the back of anvil, same exact spot, so location does matter, or trigger it.

 

Then I used a kahjit with max athletics/speed from lvl 1 and ran directly there no fighting, crash.

 

The only thing I have not tried is re-loading from a nearby save with a new char and seeing if that's a work around.

 

I have OBSE 0018

 

I'll try disabling alt start. That would be interesting.

 

One thing I did notice is that starting a new game with all the mods loaded is buggier then loading each mod onto an already started game. So I am thinking "I need to enable mods onto a already started character" and that is the culprit. I bet starting from a previous save will fix it again.

 

Anyway get some sleep and thanks so much for all the good advice =) I wish there was a log file or debug msg that would say "function X tried to access memory Y and caused a fault" or "Function why cant be called without variable X set" or something... nooooo debugging at all =/ not even to give a pair of memory addresses.

 

Who knows maybe starting a fresh game, then going to a Inn in anvil, and waiting 3 or 4 days game time will fix it too.

[runlvlzero]

Do you have the latest version of OBSE? I guess you do... Clean save and update Enhanced Economy for one. Troubleshooting crashes on correct load orders is always harder. I am really too tired to be of much use to you. If you have still not figured out the problem, I will be sure to look this over tomorrow, and after you take care of this I can help you with your overhaul questions. I really just need to rest for a day.... The other thing to try is temporarily disabling Alternative Start. This crash almost sounds familiar to me... It is not the UOP. I need to think over this a bit... Regenerating the Oblivion.ini may help with this one. Remove it from your Document\My Games\Oblivion folder and relaunch.

 

Roger that, get some sleep =)

 

And ya I was able to reproduce it. 3x now. Starting from a brand new game. One game I created an Imperial, ran through anvil, picked up some heavy armor, fought the bandit, then crashed 100ft before gotshaw (usually just a wolf spawns there in vanilla at lvl 1)

 

I then used another imperial from scratch ran around the back of anvil, same exact spot, so location does matter, or trigger it.

 

Then I used a kahjit with max athletics/speed from lvl 1 and ran directly there no fighting, crash.

 

The only thing I have not tried is re-loading from a nearby save with a new char and seeing if that's a work around.

 

I have OBSE 0018

 

I'll try disabling alt start. That would be interesting.

 

One thing I did notice is that starting a new game with all the mods loaded is buggier then loading each mod onto an already started game. So I am thinking "I need to enable mods onto a already started character" and that is the culprit. I bet starting from a previous save will fix it again.

 

Anyway get some sleep and thanks so much for all the good advice =) I wish there was a log file or debug msg that would say "function X tried to access memory Y and caused a fault" or "Function why cant be called without variable X set" or something... nooooo debugging at all =/ not even to give a pair of memory addresses.

 

Who knows maybe starting a fresh game, then going to a Inn in anvil, and waiting 3 or 4 days game time will fix it too.

 

Wow... ok so THE FIX... SOLUTION...

 

Is... to start a new game. Save your game. Exit to main menu. Load your save. and bam... no CTD at gotshaw... VERY interesting... must be just to many scripts going on at character creation... I might have to look into the script delayer/no quest popup.

[Tomlong54210]

That is an odd fix. That sounds like you may have not give scripts enough time to run before opening your menus or something. The more mods you use, the more time it takes for all of the scripts to start up. Some mod makers suggest waiting about five seconds before doing anything. Let the game initialize completely and whatnot...

 

 

Good to hear your playing again, happy gaming!

- Tomlong54210

 

 

Edit: Loading all plugins at once is indeed buggier. That is a very observant catch you have made, and here is a guide for the stablest way to start the game. This is always in progress, but it matches that train of thought...

 

First Run Guide - http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/firstrun

 

 

Good night.

- Tomlong54210

[runlvlzero]

That is an odd fix. That sounds like you may have not give scripts enough time to run before opening your menus or something. The more mods you use, the more time it takes for all of the scripts to start up. Some mod makers suggest waiting about five seconds before doing anything. Let the game initialize completely and whatnot...

 

 

Good to hear your playing again, happy gaming!

- Tomlong54210

 

 

Edit: Loading all plugins at once is indeed buggier. That is a very observant catch you have made, and here is a guide for the stablest way to start the game. This is always in progress, but it matches that train of thought...

 

First Run Guide - http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/firstrun

 

 

Good night.

- Tomlong54210

 

Ya I have to basically follow what that guide says or I am unable to start a new game that does not CTD... very frustrating process every time u want to create a new character... and about testing mods... OOOOH YA RIGHT LOL =)