Alternative Morrigan Ritual

[missmary]

Although I haven't beaten the game yet I'm getting close and because I've read spoilers and whatnot online I know about the ritual and frankly I'd really rather not force Alistair to do it. Aside from the fact that he is my pc's love interest, Morrigan and him do not get along. Sure they have enough fun banter but the thought of making Alistair bed her (especially since he seems oppose to the idea) just make me sick and I really don't want to kill him to get Logain to do it because that'd be really sad and finally I don't have the skills which is why I thought I'd put the idea out there in case anyone else would like to take on the project. I've seen enough mods for improving or altering the sex scenes so I figure that it wouldn't been too terribly hard to go from there since most of it is the sex scene. I thought that instead of Alistair it could either be Sten (which would actually make sense since they talk about it a few time and seem to get along) but if people are stuck up on the fact that it has to be a grey warden then maybe making one wouldn't be too hard either, they wouldn't even need much voice acting (if any). I'm sure that at the Landsmeet there would be quite a few grey wardens who've traveled for the final battle so it would fit in with the story too. Hopefully someone will agree and be able to make it fit, I'm just giving examples on how to make it work story wise but I really don't have much to say about the actual coding and animations or whatever would need to be done to make this work. The other reason I posted was because reading about the ritual I've run into a lot of comments on how they hated making Alistair do it (either because they had no choice being female, was his love interest or just really liked the guy and thought it was wrong to make him sire a demon baby) and a few people who didn't want to do it themselves for similar reasons. I just hope that someone is able to do this because I know I would definitely appreciate it and am pretty sure many other people would as well! Thanks in advance!

[danscott84]

I made a scene for that ritual, and tried to make it fit the story in that none of the Wardens, even romancing Morrigan, want to be there. For what you are wanting would require someone with some scripting talents. The ritual, in case you are not aware, requires a Grey Warden that has not been one very long. In the dialogue when you ask her about Riordan, she states that he has been tainted for too long and would not suffice for the ritual (embryo cannot handle the Arch Demon soul). For your Sten idea someone would have write in him going through the joining. At the Landsmeet Riordan states that he was the only other Warden there since the rest had been stopped at the border by Loghain's men. Making Alistair go through the ritual actually fits the story quite well since it's referred to as the Dark Ritual in tthe achievments. For myself I usually romance Leliana, so going through the ritual feels like cheating, but do it to save as many lives as possible and still be with Leliana when it's all over.

[missmary]

I made a scene for that ritual, and tried to make it fit the story in that none of the Wardens, even romancing Morrigan, want to be there. For what you are wanting would require someone with some scripting talents. The ritual, in case you are not aware, requires a Grey Warden that has not been one very long. In the dialogue when you ask her about Riordan, she states that he has been tainted for too long and would not suffice for the ritual (embryo cannot handle the Arch Demon soul). For your Sten idea someone would have write in him going through the joining. At the Landsmeet Riordan states that he was the only other Warden there since the rest had been stopped at the border by Loghain's men. Making Alistair go through the ritual actually fits the story quite well since it's referred to as the Dark Ritual in tthe achievments. For myself I usually romance Leliana, so going through the ritual feels like cheating, but do it to save as many lives as possible and still be with Leliana when it's all over.

 

 

Just curious, what did you do to the scene to change it? Are they just more hesitant? Because honestly I just don't want to make Alistair do it and since my PC is female I can't. I do know that they have to be a grey warden but I'll admit I didn't know that they had to be recently tainted which I guess would make it more difficult. If someone were willing to make Sten or some other character go through the ritual maybe taking the movie clip from the beginning where the pc goes through the ritual but putting in another character in their place (kind of like how the animations show the pc even though everyone makes a different pc, though I'm not sure how this works). All I'm saying is that it would be a great mod, though it does seem more difficult than I thought it would be. I do get how putting Alistair or yourself through it for the good of all is very heroic and fits the story but I'd be nice to have other opinions. Thanks for telling me a little more detail, I understand a little more why that part plays out the way it does.

[danscott84]

Mine is hesitant, but still go through it. It's just a replacement cutscene. For what you are wanting would take someone with the skills to rebuild characters or add new ones like the person who made the Ser Gilmore NPC mod.

[spinspider]

I know how you feel, I really hate having to do it too.

 

But when I play as a female warden, I use the Genderring from the MetaGame items mod to temporarily change my gender to male, and thus fool the gender check so I can do it myself instead of making Alistair do it (and since it makes you look like a skeleton monster, it adds an element of extreme hilarity to the ritual scene.) It's not much better, but it certainly makes me feel a lot better about doing it.

 

In fact, I find knocking Morrigan up as a female Warden in the form of an animate corpse even a lot less psychologically traumatic than doing it as a proper male Warden. :wacko:

[DarkeWolf]

I know how you feel, I really hate having to do it too.

 

But when I play as a female warden, I use the Genderring from the MetaGame items mod to temporarily change my gender to male, and thus fool the gender check so I can do it myself instead of making Alistair do it (and since it makes you look like a skeleton monster, it adds an element of extreme hilarity to the ritual scene.) It's not much better, but it certainly makes me feel a lot better about doing it.

 

In fact, I find knocking Morrigan up as a female Warden in the form of an animate corpse even a lot less psychologically traumatic than doing it as a proper male Warden.

 

heh, that gives a whole new meaning to "giving the bone". I'm sorry if that came across as being vulgar. I'm too amped up on coffee right now. :wacko:

 

All said, if all you are really looking for, is a substitute for yourself, or for Al/Rogain.... er.... I mean, Loghain, and dont care about the storyline... it would be doable. Just change a dialog line to something like "I have another candidate" and change the cutscene to use an alternate dummy. LOL I saw one where somebody was morphed into a genlock while with alistair, maybe that would be funny. I mean...she wants the taint, right?

Tho, the plotflags would still have to be tied in, to make it so that either yourself, or al/loghain did the deed.

[Ambrya]

Mine is hesitant, but still go through it. It's just a replacement cutscene. For what you are wanting would take someone with the skills to rebuild characters or add new ones like the person who made the Ser Gilmore NPC mod.

 

 

I would be very interested in seeing something like this for Alistair, because honestly, the fact that they re-cycled the same cutscene that is used for the male PC (who may or may not be involved with Morrigan) just doesn't work for me. It doesn't strike the right attitude of reluctance.

 

I can see using the same cutscene for Alistair and Loghain, and MAYBE for a male PC who is not involved with Morrigan, but that cutscene should have a distinctly different feel from the one used for a PC who is involved with Morrigan.

[danscott84]

Mine is hesitant, but still go through it. It's just a replacement cutscene. For what you are wanting would take someone with the skills to rebuild characters or add new ones like the person who made the Ser Gilmore NPC mod.

 

 

I would be very interested in seeing something like this for Alistair, because honestly, the fact that they re-cycled the same cutscene that is used for the male PC (who may or may not be involved with Morrigan) just doesn't work for me. It doesn't strike the right attitude of reluctance.

 

I can see using the same cutscene for Alistair and Loghain, and MAYBE for a male PC who is not involved with Morrigan, but that cutscene should have a distinctly different feel from the one used for a PC who is involved with Morrigan.

 

You are correct on that. When I made mine, there were only scenes for hm, em, and dm. Since I suck at scripting that was what I was stuck with, plus I have learned a few more things about cutscenes since then. I also get people requesting scenes for Isabella, Gheyna, Cammen, etc. and there are no scenes for them to begin with. Using the example of Gheyna, there is a Gheyna kiss scene, but it is where she says "maybe we should talk, in one of the aravels" and that's it. There is only the one with no distinction for gender or race to it.

[missmary]

Mine is hesitant, but still go through it. It's just a replacement cutscene. For what you are wanting would take someone with the skills to rebuild characters or add new ones like the person who made the Ser Gilmore NPC mod.

 

Oh okay, well maybe I'll just have to do more research and experimenting with the scripts (it may take a long time but hey its worth a shot, I'm not computer illiterate after all!) I still have hope that someone else will take an interest in the mod idea because even if I manage to do it, someone with a lot of experience and talent would do a heck of a lot better!

[missmary]

I know how you feel, I really hate having to do it too.

 

But when I play as a female warden, I use the Genderring from the MetaGame items mod to temporarily change my gender to male, and thus fool the gender check so I can do it myself instead of making Alistair do it (and since it makes you look like a skeleton monster, it adds an element of extreme hilarity to the ritual scene.) It's not much better, but it certainly makes me feel a lot better about doing it.

 

In fact, I find knocking Morrigan up as a female Warden in the form of an animate corpse even a lot less psychologically traumatic than doing it as a proper male Warden. :wacko:

 

Lol wow I literally laughed for a good few minutes, that was awesome! I might just do that for the time being, since I don't mind if it's me... I can be magical and impregnate another women, obviously. The would be hilarious in fact that would almost make it a better option because that way I don't have to think about it at all, I'll just be laughing at the scene of Morrigan and some skeleton creature "making love". Thanks a lot actually because for amusement that would even be better than a half-ass effort (on my part) to change the other in the ritual.

 

I have to agree, it does seem a lot less traumatizing!