Join bug when creating followers?

[Exyll]

Hi, I've made about 8 followers far no problems with them in the past.

Now when I make a copy of one of my old followers, and modify it (import a new .spf and hair) and place it in my world, that copy (that has worked many times before) is now not working ( no join option).

I thought this was strange after a few tries so I went ahead and made a brand new follower (not a dupe or copy), same issue.

 

I did some research and people say that simple things like changing the voice could be the issue?

 

So I took a copy of my Nord female, imported a redguard male onto the copy, changed voice to male commander and unchecked female animations.

No join option.

 

Then I placed an untouched copy of the nord in the world, she was able to join, then I changed her into a redguard male afterwards through CK.

This 'worked' except now he's walking around like a female.

 

Im stumped, it sounds weird but it seems like I cant create male followers. I keep thinking I've missed a step in the process but when compared to my working followers, except for gender details, its an exact copy of stats.

 

Anyone ever see this before? I like making my own chars rather than downloading or this would be a non issue, thanks

[Exyll]

Jeeez, I created him under his own esp file and now the join option is back, sorry guys. Learn from my mistakes

 

Its fixed but I still dont know the root cause

[Exyll]

and Im back...problem not fixed.

I created him on his own esp file, works in the world great, even worked the first time I merged the two esps together

after I reloaded to make sure, the join option gone again and same thing, any new creation doesnt have it. strange

[Exyll]

and the final outcome:

Redguards male followers can NOT use Male Commander voices

maybe I'll switch it to this *after* he joins me, but ...ya, that was the problem: the voice.

Makes sense all the chicks never had an issue because their template never change (at least not the voice)