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[Coous]

I had once read somewhere that either during the U.S. civil war or reconstruction that one of the military Governors of a town had problem with his men catching diseases from prostitutes,and ended up trying a lot of things one of them was send them down the Mississippi River on a steam boat. Well that didn't work because more rose up in the spots,and funnily enough he ended up getting the original prostitutes back too so he twice as many. He ended up legalizing it and putting a regulation on the thing to keep diseases from spreading by having everyone of them getting weekly check ups,and if found infected quarantine and treated in a hospital not allowed to leave until done.

 

It worked out well for the rest of time till the town and state rejoined the Union,but the whole irony about prostitutes is now they are considered usually scum of our society and back then in the west they helped found it and became very respectable members of the community and becoming future women's right activists,and most of the states in the west did have legal voting for women. The modern day prostitute becomes scum once the modern drugs run rampant through the country in the 1880s and early 1900's especially when opium made it here.

 

The general in question was 'Spoons" Butler and the town was New Orleans.His nickname was given to him by the Confederate ladies of the town because he allegedly stole the silverware from the New Orleans mayor's home that he occupied. Butler was angered by the Southern ladies insulting his officers and posted the infamous general order 13 which said that any lady who insulted a Union Officer would be treated as a "lady of the town' a euphemism for a streetwalker. He is despised in the south to this day, but responsible for the sanctioning of the New Orleans red light district after all methods of suppression failed. As for the efficacy of his experiment that is a matter of debate.

 

 

Most history is all still very debatable,and thanks for filling in the facts that I couldn't remember off top my head.

I don't recall any of the officer insulting,but I could just be very forgetful.Back to the debate itself though I do want to believe it's achievable,but really Governments have enough on their plates as it is in terms of issues.

[ginnyfizz]

Another thing to think about, who do you think would be running the legal brothels? Probably the same pimps and drug pushers who run the illegal ones now. Nothing would really change at all.

[SpellAndShield]

Quite frankly, we all have a measure or a degree of "lust" lurking somewhere or other in our hearts and minds ... sex quite simply is not something that we're prepared to do away with

we all need it - for some it sooner rather than later.

 

This might be hard for the topic starter to imagine but the more "sacred" the act is viewed, then the more it will be honored in a relationship.

No woman wants the partner in her life to be running around with some cheap girlfriend from one of your "Prostitute boutiques" where your guy has gone for a quick "pick me upper".

For a start I don't know what's she got - STD wise - (neither do you), and I'm not in the mood to have her skanky smell on my furniture either and please do something about your breath.

 

What happened to love ... oh no wait that went out centuries ago right, who needs love let's just b*** like bunnies.

 

Sex is more than just getting off, during sex a chemical is released in the brain which in actual fact brings about the "bonding" between a couple.

I don't want to have the partner in my life "split up" if I can put it that way in his head with a bunch of other people, it's me or it's the door.

Also, I do not think it be a great idea seeing that we have "children" around, oh no wait who cares about them right ?

 

Due to a time constraint I can't really put everything down here that I'd like to however, I'd like to part with this,

 

If more women out there (yes we are really more to blame), and some men actually decided not to be so stuck up and as Xaviera Hiollander put it behaved more like

"whores in the bedroom" then most marriages would still be a going concern and a more faithful going concern too I might add.

The reason why men stray is because you're boring honey, sorry but that's just the truth, well in most cases anyway.

 

Relationships are very very important to me and if this is your mind set as well, well then I'm sure that these little cutsy prostitute and porn cafes will be a thing of the past,

where they belong with the rest of the garbage.

 

It would be good to remind you that 'love' was never important in the past; most marriages were arranged and based on convenience, practicality, etc. Love never had anything to do with it. Love is thus a relatively new concept as is the idea of the 'romantic' relationship.

 

I doubt women being more 'whorish' in the bedtime would have a significant effect on anything; having sex with the same person for years and years, is, per se, boring and love it should be noted is just as biochemical as anything else. Research has established that as a fact. Love dies when the biochemistry dies and all one is left with is custom and habit. In fact, love is no different than eating large quantities of chocolate.

 

There are many practical reasons for legalising prostitution and/or allowing 'reading material' to be more open. Crime would drastically be reduced as it would no longer be as dangerous for either the prostitute or the client and there would be no worry about law enforcement. On the whole, people would begin to accept the realities which surround them as opposed to pretending they either do not exist or represent some ineffable evil.

[SpellAndShield]

Another thing to think about, who do you think would be running the legal brothels? Probably the same pimps and drug pushers who run the illegal ones now. Nothing would really change at all.

 

There is no firm evidence to suggest that prostitution as a legal enterprise would be headed by the same people who head it as an illegal one. Why is this 'probable'?

[Nexus Set]

Another thing to think about, who do you think would be running the legal brothels? Probably the same pimps and drug pushers who run the illegal ones now. Nothing would really change at all.

 

There is not firm evidence to suggest that prostitution as a legal enterprise would be headed by the same people who head it as an illegal one. Why is this 'probable'?

 

Because they're already in the business. LOL. They're ahead of the game, simple entrepreneurial thinking. They'll be legit businessmen. >_>

[Ihoe]

It would be good to remind you that 'love' was never important in the past; most marriages were arranged and based on convenience, practicality, etc. Love never had anything to do with it. Love is thus a relatively new concept as is the idea of the 'romantic' relationship.

 

since when has been said Were all the marriages arranged in the past? we had the concept of romance since Homer (8th century BC), Hāfez (1315–1390), William Shakespeare (1564-1616).. etc. in poetry, art, folklore, philosophy... what makes you think that "Today" has created the concept of romantic relationship? while you are a child of today, you provide an antithesis against the thesis of today... Amazing!

 

I doubt women being more 'whorish' in the bedtime would have a significant effect on anything; having sex with the same person for years and years, is, per se, boring and love it should be noted is just as biochemical as anything else. Research has established that as a fact. Love dies when the biochemistry dies and all one is left with is custom and habit. In fact, love is no different than eating large quantities of chocolate.

 

I totally, overtly, extremely agree with you. let's make a PARAPHRASE! I get Bored going to the same bathroom every day, and as we all know, poo and urine are also biochemical organisms, therefore my ASS (and Other things) needs change and I would need to change my bathroom every once in a while. another example! eating! I can't Eat the same water my whole life! the bio chemical thing that occurs in my stomach is in need if change! therefore I shall drink Chinese Tawdry water! and maybe cola springs juice sometime later. better buy some chocolate later to get romantic with my GF... makes me wonder what to do with the calories. maybe you mean that love is lovable, but gets boring after a while and leaves you with a heavy burden on your body? WTF...

 

on the other hand, yes, I get married to (a) woman, 4 better, 4 worse, 4 richer, 4 poorer and 4 life. if you think outside the box on this phrase, it actually leads to having 20 wives, and you get bored with 16 of them and live the life with the other four. Islamic laws say that 4 is the highest number of permanent or life wives a man can have is four...

 

Oh and I WOULD LOVE A link to that research! so I can show it as a reference someplace else when I get fallout 3 crashing to desktop. Now I get it why Ancient Kings had Harems, Eunuchs, and Maidens... no wonder Arabs have Wives and Monogamy is a useless thing, considering 1 man 4 women is commonplace.

 

now that i add this, why not practice Polygamy???

There are many practical reasons for legalising prostitution and/or allowing 'reading material' to be more open. Crime would drastically be reduced as it would no longer be as dangerous for either the prostitute or the client and there would be no worry about law enforcement . On the whole, people would begin to accept the realities which surround them as opposed to pretending they either do not exist or represent some ineffable evil.

 

Can I ask how did you come up on that? I mean religion's dominance is only centered on the area it dominates, and some areas don't have religion. there is a reason that even in the most ancient civilizations around Mesopotamia and Iranian plateau, prostitutes were considered Lowlifes and honor less and the act of prostitution was common among the lowlife males and incapable females. what the Fu** happened to common sense???

 

I don't know what point are you making on pornography... it is already Legal in many countries. and they're not evolving much in terms of crime polishing. While pornography is legal in both U.S and U.K, what's different in them compared to, say, Turkey? I'm sure there is much less rape and sexual crimes in America and Britain... really sure... REALLY...

 

my friend, I must have bored you with all the questions, but why are you suggesting Free Sex, Prostitution and Maybe Pornography on a whole scale should be legal? it is already available widespread, I for one don't see any reason in spreading it further. Prostitution is a business in some parts of America as I know, pornography is legal in both U.S and U.K you also have no obstacle in the path of cheating on your wife. you want children to be taught these things? because they are a part of reality? I'm sure you mean that because sex is obligatory in the lives of the masses, then it should as commonly seen as traffic signs? they are important too you know.

 

well, I disagree with you, sexual lust is as commonplace as anger, especially on men. people that get over their anger get other advantages. some cheat death by controlling their anger. anger is a form of nee, the need to be destructive in a way, but when you control it, you won't feel the need and after some practice, you'll be laid back, ignoring a part of natural selection, losing the need. controlling your sexual lust is also something alike, if you control it, you won't fell the need, and when you practice doing it you want more and more and more, then there's never enough, is it better to be needy or needless? now if you can't control your sexual lust, why don't you go to your boss' wife? you go head up to her and say : "Hi, um, I'm tired of my wife and need change so... um, cheat on your husband and let's go to bed...", in fact there will be no bounds for marriage, it will be destroyed afterward. then there would be no purpose for love and marriage. what you say is not very aloof from the godless, heart less, amoral, savage etc. blood drinking horsemen of the Sakka and Hun, maybe some others that became myths. myths. MYTHS.

 

now that I think of it, How many "Women" would agree to your Idea? I hear women are more possessive in some parts... I'm sure it would be more insulting to women than men in general.

 

on the other hand, I suggest that you were raised somewhere which claimed such acts were ineffable evil, but widely practiced them. therefore you will develop a sense of anarchy toward it, and the Ideology that "things get better" by legalizing such acts as if they were bad and illegal, I think you're looking for laws to coat such facts in for of "good" so that you will feel safer, and putting these matters in the are of being obligatory.

 

now I suggest, in a place, where such things are neither practiced or banned, or both banned and not practiced, a child with clear intention would not develop anarchistic Ideas, I being a Living example, I was born with no bans but strict morale, I keep away, I don't fall to my instincts but I also have my problems. what you think would happen and should happen is pretty practical and connected to your nurture, children develop common sense in the groups they join, the first being "Family", now without a bond to keep the mates together (marriage) there will be no first group for children, thus creating a spoiled brat.(!)

 

if you ask me, all this belongs to your intention, surely YOU think your intentions are clear, but others might not approve. why should women become prostitutes or porn stars, there is something forcing them if their intention is clear! you can't say I raped somebody and my intentions were clear! you were looking to tend to your lust, same goes for the pimp and the Johnny, then the rapist has no different intention from the latter (not on special cases). you never have sex from a good intention now do you?

 

people see themselves in the mirror of other people, the time you deny what you and others are while you are looking at a glass, is the time you lose being yourself. sure, if you think you need to be with prostitutes and a new woman each day to keep up, that's you. doesn't apply to the whole world if you think so, and we're here to debate your intentions.

 

I'm not done yet, BTW i might have overlooked some parts, apologies. will expand further later.

but lets stop the boring post.

[SpellAndShield]

It would be good to remind you that 'love' was never important in the past; most marriages were arranged and based on convenience, practicality, etc. Love never had anything to do with it. Love is thus a relatively new concept as is the idea of the 'romantic' relationship.

 

since when has been said Were all the marriages arranged in the past? we had the concept of romance since Homer (8th century BC), Hāfez (1315–1390), William Shakespeare (1564-1616).. etc. in poetry, art, folklore, philosophy... what makes you think that "Today" has created the concept of romantic relationship? while you are a child of today, you provide an antithesis against the thesis of today... Amazing!

 

I doubt women being more 'whorish' in the bedtime would have a significant effect on anything; having sex with the same person for years and years, is, per se, boring and love it should be noted is just as biochemical as anything else. Research has established that as a fact. Love dies when the biochemistry dies and all one is left with is custom and habit. In fact, love is no different than eating large quantities of chocolate.

 

I totally, overtly, extremely agree with you. let's make a PARAPHRASE! I get Bored going to the same bathroom every day, and as we all know, poo and urine are also biochemical organisms, therefore my ASS (and Other things) needs change and I would need to change my bathroom every once in a while. another example! eating! I can't Eat the same water my whole life! the bio chemical thing that occurs in my stomach is in need if change! therefore I shall drink Chinese Tawdry water! and maybe cola springs juice sometime later. better buy some chocolate later to get romantic with my GF... makes me wonder what to do with the calories. maybe you mean that love is lovable, but gets boring after a while and leaves you with a heavy burden on your body? WTF...

 

on the other hand, yes, I get married to (a) woman, 4 better, 4 worse, 4 richer, 4 poorer and 4 life. if you think outside the box on this phrase, it actually leads to having 20 wives, and you get bored with 16 of them and live the life with the other four. Islamic laws say that 4 is the highest number of permanent or life wives a man can have is four...

 

Oh and I WOULD LOVE A link to that research! so I can show it as a reference someplace else when I get fallout 3 crashing to desktop. Now I get it why Ancient Kings had Harems, Eunuchs, and Maidens... no wonder Arabs have Wives and Monogamy is a useless thing, considering 1 man 4 women is commonplace.

 

now that i add this, why not practice Polygamy???

There are many practical reasons for legalising prostitution and/or allowing 'reading material' to be more open. Crime would drastically be reduced as it would no longer be as dangerous for either the prostitute or the client and there would be no worry about law enforcement . On the whole, people would begin to accept the realities which surround them as opposed to pretending they either do not exist or represent some ineffable evil.

 

Can I ask how did you come up on that? I mean religion's dominance is only centered on the area it dominates, and some areas don't have religion. there is a reason that even in the most ancient civilizations around Mesopotamia and Iranian plateau, prostitutes were considered Lowlifes and honor less and the act of prostitution was common among the lowlife males and incapable females. what the Fu** happened to common sense???

 

I don't know what point are you making on pornography... it is already Legal in many countries. and they're not evolving much in terms of crime polishing. While pornography is legal in both U.S and U.K, what's different in them compared to, say, Turkey? I'm sure there is much less rape and sexual crimes in America and Britain... really sure... REALLY...

 

my friend, I must have bored you with all the questions, but why are you suggesting Free Sex, Prostitution and Maybe Pornography on a whole scale should be legal? it is already available widespread, I for one don't see any reason in spreading it further. Prostitution is a business in some parts of America as I know, pornography is legal in both U.S and U.K you also have no obstacle in the path of cheating on your wife. you want children to be taught these things? because they are a part of reality? I'm sure you mean that because sex is obligatory in the lives of the masses, then it should as commonly seen as traffic signs? they are important too you know.

 

well, I disagree with you, sexual lust is as commonplace as anger, especially on men. people that get over their anger get other advantages. some cheat death by controlling their anger. anger is a form of nee, the need to be destructive in a way, but when you control it, you won't feel the need and after some practice, you'll be laid back, ignoring a part of natural selection, losing the need. controlling your sexual lust is also something alike, if you control it, you won't fell the need, and when you practice doing it you want more and more and more, then there's never enough, is it better to be needy or needless? now if you can't control your sexual lust, why don't you go to your boss' wife? you go head up to her and say : "Hi, um, I'm tired of my wife and need change so... um, cheat on your husband and let's go to bed...", in fact there will be no bounds for marriage, it will be destroyed afterward. then there would be no purpose for love and marriage. what you say is not very aloof from the godless, heart less, amoral, savage etc. blood drinking horsemen of the Sakka and Hun, maybe some others that became myths. myths. MYTHS.

 

now that I think of it, How many "Women" would agree to your Idea? I hear women are more possessive in some parts... I'm sure it would be more insulting to women than men in general.

 

on the other hand, I suggest that you were raised somewhere which claimed such acts were ineffable evil, but widely practiced them. therefore you will develop a sense of anarchy toward it, and the Ideology that "things get better" by legalizing such acts as if they were bad and illegal, I think you're looking for laws to coat such facts in for of "good" so that you will feel safer, and putting these matters in the are of being obligatory.

 

now I suggest, in a place, where such things are neither practiced or banned, or both banned and not practiced, a child with clear intention would not develop anarchistic Ideas, I being a Living example, I was born with no bans but strict morale, I keep away, I don't fall to my instincts but I also have my problems. what you think would happen and should happen is pretty practical and connected to your nurture, children develop common sense in the groups they join, the first being "Family", now without a bond to keep the mates together (marriage) there will be no first group for children, thus creating a spoiled brat.(!)

 

if you ask me, all this belongs to your intention, surely YOU think your intentions are clear, but others might not approve. why should women become prostitutes or porn stars, there is something forcing them if their intention is clear! you can't say I raped somebody and my intentions were clear! you were looking to tend to your lust, same goes for the pimp and the Johnny, then the rapist has no different intention from the latter (not on special cases). you never have sex from a good intention now do you?

 

people see themselves in the mirror of other people, the time you deny what you and others are while you are looking at a glass, is the time you lose being yourself. sure, if you think you need to be with prostitutes and a new woman each day to keep up, that's you. doesn't apply to the whole world if you think so, and we're here to debate your intentions.

 

I'm not done yet, BTW i might have overlooked some parts, apologies. will expand further later.

but lets stop the boring post.

 

You are personalising something which is not meant to be personalised. I was not and am referring to my own person in this debate. I think it best you desist from personal attributions of my person which are wholly untrue.

[Ihoe]

You are personalising something which is not meant to be personalised. I was not and am referring to my own person in this debate. I think it best you desist from personal attributions of my person which are wholly untrue.

 

not exactly, I was not personalizing (Repeat, Dictation) the fact on whole, I was referring to it partly as it Is a Personal Fact, It's neither proven or not proven, it's not a thesis either because it's based on human feelings, a Murderer Can come and say :" I have a Thesis! If people were allowed to kill other people for petty larceny, I wouldn't be killing my wife, thus, not in jail. therefore I think such act should be legalized to decrease the number of larceny acts." It's not proven and personal, because the Thesis roots back to their Idea, their personality, their feelings. Love, Lust, Anger etc. they're all rooted to Emotions and Emotions are personal. the thing that you hate is the love of the other. if I personalized a Math thesis, I would be called a moron, But in terms of emotions, personalizing is more than enough.

 

you try to generalize your thesis and cover it under laws to escape your emotions that you think are semi-evil, but you provide an unproved fact that justifies this to escape from your inner fear. e.g. saying that crime will be reduced.

 

I don't think that social equilibrium will be never reached this way, as the conflicts will be too much to avoid, parents. people, children!

you were a child once, would you feel good if your dad was a cheating pimp who couldn't tend to his needs and was useless as can be as a dad because of his needs? of course children won't reason or display logical reasoning. I wonder what they might think... unless there is no family in your society, then what happens to 'em... you can't destroy principles of family even by propaganda... I wonder what they think as both strip clubs and pornography are widespread... "Yeah poodles... I saw my dad... Then he paid her $50... why don't I get it to buy some new shoes?"...

[Burnagirl]

 

It would be good to remind you that 'love' was never important in the past; most marriages were arranged and based on convenience, practicality, etc. Love never had anything to do with it. Love is thus a relatively new concept as is the idea of the 'romantic' relationship.

 

I doubt women being more 'whorish' in the bedtime would have a significant effect on anything; having sex with the same person for years and years, is, per se, boring and love it should be noted is just as biochemical as anything else. Research has established that as a fact. Love dies when the biochemistry dies and all one is left with is custom and habit. In fact, love is no different than eating large quantities of chocolate.

 

There are many practical reasons for legalising prostitution and/or allowing 'reading material' to be more open. Crime would drastically be reduced as it would no longer be as dangerous for either the prostitute or the client and there would be no worry about law enforcement. On the whole, people would begin to accept the realities which surround them as opposed to pretending they either do not exist or represent some ineffable evil.

 

 

Ha you must be joking, love is ever more important to day than ever before, 99% of music out there and the majority of films and literature have their main topic as love, it is the main ideal next to money that is relevant in our society today, it is quite irrelevant as to what relationships in the past were based upon - this is the here and now - and so this is what counts.

If I or anyone else allows you to take our eyes off this then you have succeeded in your folly.

 

Crime would be reduced - hahahaha - could you please send me a bit of what you're smoking because I also need an out of this body experience and live in fantasy land.

Please come to South Africa or anywhere else in the "real world" for that matter - this is so funny - and let's see whether or not "crime will be reduced because of legalised prostituition".

Besides most of those who are involved in prostituition will tell you that thay wish they had better jobs but that they have been "reduced" to this ... not even they want this.

 

Strip clubs (like Hooters in the USA and now also in ZA) only exist because business men need to take their clients out "for a good time" at year end or because a bunch of guys want to go and "check out"

the chicks at Hooters, "cause man they've got uh really big Hooters" lmao.

Ask me, I'm in business and I see my managers taking the clients to South Africa's equivalent called Teazers.

Otherwise they're as relevant as another hole in the head ...

 

Thanks for the fun topic - this is my last reply here -

[ginnyfizz]

Goodness knows, I am neither prude nor innocent, but there are other angles to consider here. Take what I said about in my university days, the red light areas of my university city coincided with the student quarter. That's pretty typical in the UK, red light areas often equal the poorer areas. Remember, someone has to live next to these establishments. Making brothels legal would in all probability make it even harder for non-involved local residents to get any redress if harassed. It would just be an excuse for an inert police service to whine "Well it's a legal brothel, hard luck that you're too poor to move away from it..." And these days if you were to do what I once did to a man who came leering up to me "Lookin' for business darlin'" when I was a student, ie punched him hard in the groin (well if you WILL pick on a member of the ladies' rowing eight...), you'd get arrested.

 

It would also be naive to assume that the underworld figures who run the prostitutes now would just go away, they'd be laughing their socks off at the brothels being legal and still, on the quiet, pushing their drugs onto the working girls to keep them working, and onto the customers too.

 

And with the porn, the more mainstream it gets, I fear the further the boundaries of what is acceptable would be pushed. And the further even adults in consenting relationships would feel they had to go, even if they themselves were uncomfortable with what their partner wanted. In effect, it could be construed as removing the right to say no. People have different desires/tastes. And there are some things that should never be acceptable, child porn and snuff/torture stuff.