crashes in Tamriel exterior

[AshSparkle]

Somehow, I would get CTD around npcs/creatures that were added by MMM, it happens when the combat ai is toggled (I found this out by using tcai at places where I have CTD and I could approach said creatures/npcs without crashes. It also mostly happens in Tamriel exterior, I haven't had any crashes related to creatures in dungeons yet, so this is baffling to me. I could just run around in the wilderness and suddenly hear battle cries from MMM's NPC and bam, CTD. >.<

 

I installed the newest version of OOO and MMM according to the instruction given, but I still got the CTD. I don't use FCOM. This is pretty much the only presistent problem I have with Oblivion.

 

Could it be because of the leveled list? Or something to do with ai behaviors?

 

Any help would really be appreciated.

[AxelDominatoR]

Ok, first questions: do you use BOSS to order your mods and Wrye Bash/OBMM to do a basic conflict check?

[Tomlong54210]

Somehow, I would get CTD around npcs/creatures that were added by MMM, it happens when the combat ai is toggled (I found this out by using tcai at places where I have CTD and I could approach said creatures/npcs without crashes. It also mostly happens in Tamriel exterior, I haven't had any crashes related to creatures in dungeons yet, so this is baffling to me. I could just run around in the wilderness and suddenly hear battle cries from MMM's NPC and bam, CTD. >.<

 

I installed the newest version of OOO and MMM according to the instruction given, but I still got the CTD. I don't use FCOM. This is pretty much the only presistent problem I have with Oblivion.

 

Could it be because of the leveled list? Or something to do with ai behaviors?

 

Any help would really be appreciated.

Has this issue persisted through all of your games? Could you post your load order so that I may see which MMM plugins you are using? Some of the add-ons are less stable than others.

[AshSparkle]

Ok, first questions: do you use BOSS to order your mods and Wrye Bash/OBMM to do a basic conflict check?

 

Yes, I did. Though some mods that are minor and are "unknown" to boss that I had to place by hand. I placed 2 companion mods near the end of the load order too, Vilja and Neeshka. I moved a few mods that were not functioning higher up in the load order at the end before bashed patch too, Romuska Fantasy Store (causing CTD when I enter it when it was high up), personality idle 4, p1seeyousleep (not working when it was higher up).

 

I am currently doing a conflict check again on OBMM. This is a stupid question, but what do I do with all of the "unknown" mods that BOSS doesn't recognize? Do I just leave them at the bottom or do I move them up before bashed patch?

 

 

 

Has this issue persisted through all of your games? Could you post your load order so that I may see which MMM plugins you are using? Some of the add-ons are less stable than others.

 

Yes, I started a new game 3 times over the course of the past 2 months, with the addition or deletion of a few mods, MMM and OOO were the ones that were constant throughout those 3 playthroughs, and I have the same persistent CTD in all 3.

 

 

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
02  ScreenEffects.esm
03  You Are Here.esm
04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]
06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]
07  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]
08  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]
09  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]
0A  Better Cities Resources.esm
0B  BathingMod_Base.esm
0C  cssBase.esm  [Version 1.1]
0D  Lamps of Oblivion Master.esm
0E  CM Partners.esm
0F  HorseCombatMaster.esm
10  UnnecessaryViolence.esm
11  ShieldOnBack.esm
12  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
13  CURP_Controller.esm
**  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
**  TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp
14  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.6]
15  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
16  MMM.esp
17  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
18  Better Cities .esp
**  Loading Screens - Vanilla No Text.esp
19  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
++  phinix-waterfix.esp
1A  Better Bell Sounds.esp
++  Symphony of Violence.esp
1B  Echo_ChapelChant.esp
1C  MIS.esp
1D  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
1E  PCSoundInnocent.esp  [Version 2.6]
1F  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
20  WindowLightingSystem.esp
21  AFK_PrayerIdles.esp  [Version 1.0]
22  nmDLTIC-1-6.esp  [Version 1.6]
23  ChaseCameraMod.esp
24  CityLights - ImperialCity.esp
25  kuerteeSittableRocks.esp
26  Lamps of Oblivion.esp
27  Portable Campsite.esp
28  Reznod_Mannequin.esp
29  Shield on Back 3.1.esp
++  ShieldOnBack_1C.esp
2A  SoT_Holiday.esp
2B  moDem's City Life.esp
2C  FF_Real_Thirst.esp
2D  Duke Patricks - Friendship Ring For Companion Detection.esp
2E  sr_super_hotkeys.esp
2F  DLCHorseArmor.esp
**  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
30  DLCOrrery.esp
**  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
31  DLCVileLair.esp
**  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
32  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
**  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
33  Andragorn_Weapons_Armors.esp
34  BlackLuster.esp
35  Hiyoko_Store.esp
36  Caine's Outfit.esp
**  SPARTAN VIs Diverse City Guards v1 2.esp
37  JediLightsabersWithSheathFIX.esp
38  KDDwemerSpectacles.esp
39  Masks Revised.esp
3A  MythicDawnTiein - Lite.esp
3B  Nicos Gift NPC.esp
3C  Nicos Gift.esp
3D  Town_Ceremonial_Armor.esp
++  VA_UniqueKatana1Replace.esp
3E  EY_Vampirehunter.esp
3F  Blackmarsh_Witch_HGEC.esp
**  DLCThievesDen.esp
**  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
**  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
40  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
41  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
42  FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp
++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]
43  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]
**  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]
++  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]
44  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]
**  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
45  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
46  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
47  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
48  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
49  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
4A  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
4B  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
4C  Zombie Diversity.esp
++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.39c]
++  Travellers4MMMHostileFactions.esp  [Version 1.39c]
4D  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]
4E  cyrodiil transportation network 1.3 wz.esp
4F  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]
++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]
++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]
50  KvatchAftermath.esp
++  PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp  [Version 1.2]
++  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]
++  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp  [Version 1.39c]
++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]
51  Nightshade_Armor.esp
52  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]
53  Cyrodiil Border Regions 1.2.esp
54  AkaviriSamuraiShop.esp
55  Amajor7 Imperial Furniture.esp
56  Auriel's_Retreat.esp  [Version 1.1]
57  Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp
58  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]
59  Cathedral Improver.esp
5A  hackdirtabyss.esp
5B  GlenvarCastle.esp
5C  LetThePeopleDrink-Cobl.esp  [Version 2.5]
5D  mrSiikas_TheEmperorsTomb_ImperialPalace.esp
5E  MountainTower.esp  [Version 6.0]
5F  PrincessImperialCityApartment-COBL.esp
60  Return Of Shadows.esp  [Version 1.03]
61  Satu Ra - Lord of Beasts.esp
62  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]
63  Scribe Supplies.esp
64  Septim Mansion.esp
65  Sheogoraths_Accords_of_Madness.esp
66  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
67  za_bankmod.esp
68  Zira's Clydesdale Horses.esp
69  24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp
6A  DLCFrostcrag.esp
**  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
++  DLCFrostcrag_MysticEmporiumPatch.esp
6B  Knights.esp
**  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
++  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]
6C  TOTF.esp
++  TOTF Delayer.esp
6D  RTT.esp
6E  The Lost Spires.esp
6F  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
70  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 7.3]
71  TheNecromancer.esp
72  MannimarcoRevisited.esp
**  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]
73  ElsweyrAnequina.esp
74  Reaper's Esmeralda's Desert Manor.esp
75  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.0.1]
**  JQ-Fighters_Guild_United.esp
76  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
77  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
78  Cliff_CountyNames.esp  [Version 1.1]
79  CUO_Dwemer.esp
7A  CUO_FightersGuildContracts_SAFE.esp
7B  CUO_MerchantUpdate_SAFE.esp
++  CUO_UnLeveledPotions.esp
7C  CUO_NewFactionDialog_SAFE.esp
++  CUO_UnLeveledLoot.esp
++  CUO_UnLeveledVendors.esp
7D  DwemerSpecsEquip.esp
++  Great Gate Essential NPC's.esp
7E  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]
7F  PersuasionOverhaul.esp  [Version 1.42]
**  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
80  SecretsoftheAyleidsClosure.esp
81  Enhanced Vegetation [110%].esp
++  Borderless_Cyrodiil-3578.esp
82  Roleplaying Dialogues.esp
83  BathingMod_Soap.esp
84  BathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.esp
85  BathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.esp
86  BathingMod_InnsHaveTubs.esp
87  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.3.4]
**  Duke Patricks - Nosferatu Class Vampires.esp
**  Cliff_BetterLetters.esp  [Version 1.1]
88  Elemental Horses.esp
89  The Sixth Element.esp
8A  SpellSinger.esp
8B  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]
8C  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]
++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]
++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]
++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]
8D  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]
++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]
++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]
++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]
8E  MidasSpells.esp
++  Midas Betterholy.esp
++  Midas Reduced Costs Half.esp
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp
++  Midas PowDur4x.esp
8F  TheElderCouncil.esp
90  TheElderCouncil_TempleOfTheOne.esp
91  Tona's_ModsStore.esp
++  Midas Eldrich Power 5x.esp
92  Midas BeastFortify Fix OBSE.esp
93  SM Combat Hide.esp  [Version 1.2]
94  attack and hide harder v2.0.esp
95  StealthOverhaul.esp
96  ZumbsLockpickingMod - OBSE.esp
**  RenGuardOverhaul.esp
97  sycHearNoEvil.esp  [Version 1.0]
98  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.4]
99  Duke Patricks - Double Arrow Nock Shot.esp
9A  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
9B  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
++  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.86]
9C  DocDodge.esp
9D  Duke Patricks - Everyone Or Just Vampires Now Bob And Weave.esp
9E  Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp
9F  S.P.A.M.esp
A0  Adventurer's Spells.esp
A1  Mayu's Animation Overhaul.esp
A2  CTAddPose_Le02.esp
A3  actors_in_charge.esp
**  DMC Stylish - Specialanims.esp
**  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp
**  Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp
**  Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp
++  ArgonianBeautification-RaceSettings.esp
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
**  EyelashesVannilaRaces.esp
A4  AL_MonsterRevisited v1.0.esp
A5  Companion Mark and Recall.esp
A6  cssImoen.esp  [Version 1.1]
A7  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp
A8  sher.esp
A9  HentaiLovelyHouse.esp
AA  UFF - Celtic Witch Robes.esp
AB  AC2 Revisited HGEC.esp
AC  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]
AD  PowerAttackEffector.esp
AE  _LPDaedricWar.esp
AF  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
++  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.esp
B0  AL_InfernalSteed.esp
B1  AL_WildSpright.esp
**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]
B2  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.5]
B3  Fort Colovia.esp
B4  GizmodianNetherweaveRobe.esp
B5  Plate of the Shadow.esp
B6  RRWeapos.esp
B7  RRElphintos.esp
B8  GloriousMageDress.esp
B9  Banes Guilds United.esp
BA  Noble Battlemage Armor.esp
BB  _lpBusyRoads.esp
BC  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.962]
++  WWF - Gloom.esp
++  WWF.esp
**  ArgonianFeets.esp
**  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
BD  Better Cities Full.esp
BE  Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp
BF  Better Imperial City.esp
C0  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2]
C1  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
C2  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
++  ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp
++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]
C3  DynamicTimescale.esp
**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
C4  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
C5  TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp
C6  KF Chapel Shop.esp
C7  DS Flaming Arrows.esp  [Version 1.2]
C8  ScreenControls.esp
++  LadyDeadlock_LoveYourHorse.esp
C9  Argonians and Khajiit Lose Tails no More Script.esp
++  Argonians and Khajiit Lose Tails no More.esp
++  OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp  [Version 1.33]
CA  Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp
CB  UnnecessaryViolence.esp
CC  Romuska Fantasy Store.esp
++  Enhanced Grabbing - Unnecessary Violence Liaison.esp  [Version 0.4]
CD  Real Hunger, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.6.1]
CE  personality_idles4.esp
CF  P1DseeYouSleep.esp
D0  StokerWolff.esp
D1  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
D2  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.1.1]
D3  Companion Neeshka.esp
D4  1em_Vilja.esp
D5  ZTBOWS.esp
D6  Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp  [Version 3.1a]
D7  Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.esp
D8  kuerteeCleanUp.esp
D9  Streamline 3.1.esp
DA  SSS.esp
DB  FearsomeMagicka.esp

 

[TabuKuroshi]

looking at your list, I'm curious about something. When I run BOSS, it always puts streamline at the very bottom with the Bashed patch just above it.

 

I know this doesn't help you. I was just curious as to why mine always get put there while yours are different. I know our lists are different but I see 2 mods that are the same for both of us and they both are above SL and BP... Those 2 are Display stats, and Vilja.

[AshSparkle]

Okay, I got the conflict report from Tes4edit and OBMM....I am having a hard time understanding them though. >.<

 

KuerteeCleanUp, Duke's Combat Archery and Duke's script effect thingy mods, come before Streamline and after Bashed Patch on the masterlist, while Brucevayne suggested that Fearsome Magicka to be placed at the end after streamline to avoid problems. So that explains the differences =)

 

I placed Vilja and Neeshka after bashed patch so that Mayu's Animation Overhaul would not override her animations and cause them to use vanilla animations, since I am using a combination of different animations from a few mods. :wink:

 

Display stats was not in the masterlist from the 06-06 update. Thanks for reminding me to get the update! I just moved it to the appropriate place. Though it isn't causing those CTD >.< since I started using it just two weeks ago or so.

[AxelDominatoR]

You may try this: first, you need to identify at least one creature which always CTD. Do as before, toggling off AI, going nearby and ON AI again. As soon as you are certain that creature is CTDing, open TES4Edit and find it under MMM.

TES4Edit will show you every module which tries to overwrite its field, and how.

 

To find the creature quickly you will need its baseid; you may use mods such as "RefScope" or "FormID Finder" to obtain it easily.

 

In TES4Edit then it is only a matter of inserting your ID on the search box in the upper left and it will find your creature/NPC.

 

Even if you don't manage to solve it, tell us which mods are currently overwriting that creature. We may help you more.

I mean: when you have the creature selected in TES4Edit, in the right panel you will have some columns. There will be a MMM column, which is the creature you want to have in game, and other columns which are other mods who are conflicting/overriding the creature.

Tell us the name of each column you find, in order (each column name will be a mod).

[AshSparkle]

I had a save file near a bandit camp of 5 bandits (1 outlaw, 2 cutthroats, 1 outlaw bowman, 1 ringleader, 1 guard dog) that causes CTD whenever I approach it.

 

Okay, I am sorry, there has been a misinformation. I tried what you suggested, toggling combat ai and ai off and then activating them one by one. I didn't have any CTDs at all!. Then I tried deactivating all the ai processes, stand in the middle of the camp and activate it, no CTDs too.

 

I reloaded the game, deactivate the combat ai ONLY and approached the camp, then I noticed something! One of the Outlaw was wandering around and casting a Mysticism spell (pink shader) and then the game crashed. I reloaded and this time, dactivated all the ai processes, approach the camp and when I could see the outlaw that casted the spell earlier, I ONlY activated her ai processes, she started wandering and again, cast the same spell with the pink shader (school of Mysticism), the game CTD shortly.

 

I recalled the few times that I was able to see the creatures/npcs before CTDs occured, there were indeed pink shaders, sometimes, numerous shaders (different schools of magic). So I guess it has something to do with spells, instead of the creatures themselves??

 

Is there a way to check what spell the AI are casting?

 

At least we now know that it's a spell (or numerous spells) that is causing the CTD. I am definitely sure it isn't Fearsome Magicka because I disabled the AI from casting any spells from that mod in the ,ini and the problem was already there before I started using it. That left us with vanilla spells, Supreme Magicka and LAME, probably some other mods which I might have missed out too. I recalled LAME having a plugin that gives LAME's new spells to AI, but I removed that before I started a new game this time, so I guess that narrows it down further.

 

Any suggestion of my next move?

[Visman]

to chocobo_kyh:

If you use a plugin "Addon for Shield on Back v31" v 2.4, delete file Shield on Back 3.1.esp!

If you use a plugin "Addon for Shield on Back v31" v 3.x, delete files Shield on Back 3.1.esp and ShieldOnBack_1C.esp

[AshSparkle]

Thank you for the headsup Visman, I just downloaded the newest version of raddon for shield of back and will be replacing it. :)