Strange start error and NO graphics....

[LordEmm]

Just the usual suspects pretty much.

 

Pluggy, Oblivion Crash Prevention System, Fast Exit2, Elys Silent Voice, Elys Uncapper, Stutter Remover, Nifscript, the LCD plugin for Logitech, OblivionEAX, Enhanced Music Control, Sound Commands. The last three being the reason i wanted Alchemy.

 

I do not have patience anymore today to try to and take them out and test...

 

However something strange just happened. I deleted the INI file again, and had it make a new one, not applying ANY tweaks. And the graphics glitch was gone (at least in chargen). So maybe that can be solved. Will test more tomorrow and post results :)

[Tomlong54210]

Cool. If you did not check before, the tweaks I linked earlier should be good. As for the OBSE error, I would sift through those plugins. The hardware change might have bothered one of them. Definitely try regenerating OSR's INI. You may need to tweak its settings for your hardware anyway. The sound card (or software) change might need the sound-related plugins tweaked too. If WeOCPS is not helping, drop it. It actually made the game more unstable for me.

 

 

Edit: ..If it is doing something, leave it, and leave this until tomorrow.

[LordEmm]

Just to give an update. I took out all plugins (except for pluggy, which is needed by some mods), and i still get the error. Again though it will start after clicking okay on the error.

 

The lack of graphic seems solved ( i had to regen the INI twice. Did not work the first time, but then i deleted it again and magically it worked...)

 

What is still strange is that in Video Config of the Options Menu i can't activate Shadows on Grass, and Shadow Filtering at all. That was no problem before with only the HIS 5870 card.

 

 

 

Also here is my RenderInfo:

 

Renderer Device Information:

ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series

atklumdisp.dll

RenderPath : BSSM_SV_2_0

PSversion : 300

VSversion : 300

VStarget : vs_2_0

PStarget : ps_2_0

PS2xtarget : ps_2_0

maxPS20inst : 512

3.0 Shaders : no

Image space effects : yes

Nonpowerof2textures : yes

FP16ARGB blending : yes

FP16ARGB filtering : yes

High dynamic range : no

Bloom lighting : yes

Refraction : yes

2.0 hair : yes

SLI mode : no

Water shader : yes

Water reflections : no

Water displacement : no

Water high res : no

Multisample Type : 0

Shader Package : 2

 

 

Obviously that also was different before, with only the HIS, as i was able to activate 3.0 Shaders. Also note the Shader Package, which before was 17 now is 2?

 

Here is a picture of the error i am getting while starting with OBMM/OBSE_launcher:

 

 

 

I did not find any info on google about that DLL, also did a search on my computer and did not find it all. (and yes i did search for hidden files/folders ;)

 

I am getting really frustrated.

 

Also have another problem. Even though i can now start fine, my char is dieing right as it starts. I remember that this happens when you did not go through the full Unnecessary Violence config, but i did that... so i have no idea what could cause that. But obviously that is a mod problem and unrelated to the DLL error and graphic problems (i guess at least).

 

Again any help or ideas are appreciated.

[Tomlong54210]

When you regenerate the DLL, did you put back all of your font tweaks for any UI mods and all that? Some mods change other settings as well. Try forcing the settings you want in the INI for the video card. It kind of sounds like Oblivion is misconfiguring its INI for your hardware. Do you happen to have an old copy of the Oblivion Launcher, pre applying the patch? If you did, you could go into Options and choose "Ultra High." That should enable the "high-quality" graphics settings. The 3.0 shaders do not seem to do anything, in my experience, however.

[LordEmm]

Tomlong,

 

yes i did think of font tweaks. I used the launcher to regen the INI file (deleted the old one, started the Launcher which should auto-detect. Of course as is normal with new cards like any above Radeon 4xxx it says "could not detect hardware, set to medium as default". However there is no option for me to change anything to Ultra High or such. Guess it is not available as an option with the new launcher...

 

I do not think i have an unpatched Oblivion around. Have one completely unmodded of course (although already with the DLC and Shivering Isles, so it is patched...).

 

I know the 3.0 Shaders don't really do so much (i read they can with about 2-3 fps), but i think it is related to the Shadows options being grayed out. Also why is now another Shader Package, 2, selected when before it was 17 (with the same card? After all the new card is added in the second slot for Crossfirign, so the first card should still be the one detected, right?)

 

At least i now know where the DLL error comes from. It is indeed Alchemy that is that culprit. If i take it out, i do not get the error. But i would still like a solution for that as well. I read the other thread you directed me to, but there was no solution there. Also the Alchemy "dsound" log did not report any errors. Neither does the OBSE log by the way, or ANY of the other logs. (One of the Music mods, Better Music System, is actually the reason i got Alchemy in the first place...)

 

Wait, isn't there an old launcher on the DVD? Have to try that.

 

Also will try to reinstall my sound software, and later to only use one monitor (which will take some work, since i have a very personalized desktop using both....)

[Tomlong54210]

The launcher on the DVD is not the old launcher. That will just wipe out your vid settings (not that that matters much at this point.) Do not take your computer apart. Reinstall the game (which does not even take that long) copy the original launcher (I leave it the copy in there as "Copy of ...") and proceed. Post in the forum I linked about the Alchemy issue. Someone there would definitely have more experience with which to help you with the sound issue.

[LordEmm]

I actually just installed it on another computer (which has a ATI 5770 in it). The launcher is absolutely the same. I copied it over and still am having the same results.

 

On the other computer with the "lesser" ati, it gets recognized as a low end card (probably because i have it running in energy saving mode via Ati Tray tools). I can start Oblivion and in options/video select the Shadows options (they are not grayed out).

 

So i took that launcher (even though they are the same, and i did not have much hope). Copied it into my comp with the two 5870, deleted the ini file, started the launcher. And same result as ever. "graphics hardware not recognized setting to medium defaults".

 

I do not get any options as to a default setting. This is how the options screen on the launcher looks:

 

 

 

You may be thinking of the Fallout Launcher, which had such a selection screen for Ultra High settings and such... I am starting to think this could be a driver related issue. Will test the last few Catalyst ones (i have 10.6 installed at the moment, as i figured, adding a new card would make sense to also update the drivers...)

[yeldarb]

On my laptop that has a video card Oblivion does not recognise, I have the boxes.On the computer I am using now I have the same Option box as you, but I can adjust my screen resolution and settings. I use pluggy 1.32 and Elys USV for OBSE plugins. Hopefully updating the drivers fixes your problems.

[LordEmm]

I am about ready to give up. No one game is worth this much trouble. After intense testing (one card, new drivers, all drivers uninstalled, again. One card, fresh drivers... repeat with the other card...) i thought i had some success:

 

with only one of the cards in, and a fresh driver install and only one monitor on the HDMI port, suddenly it worked. I got my graphic options all back and renderinfo correctly gave out this:

 

Renderer Device Information:

ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series

aticfx32.dll

RenderPath : BSSM_SV_2_B

PSversion : 300

VSversion : 300

VStarget : vs_2_0

PStarget : ps_2_b

PS2xtarget : ps_2_b

maxPS20inst : 512

3.0 Shaders : yes

Image space effects : yes

Nonpowerof2textures : yes

FP16ARGB blending : yes

FP16ARGB filtering : yes

High dynamic range : yes

Bloom lighting : no

Refraction : yes

2.0 hair : yes

SLI mode : no

Water shader : yes

Water reflections : no

Water displacement : no

Water high res : no

Multisample Type : 0

Shader Package : 17

 

Of course i had to go further. So i plugged back in the second monitor (on the display port to HDMI adapter). And it reverts back to the other renderinfo i posted above (and no Shadows options, as they again are grayed out, like in the pic above)....

 

So i thought it may be that i had to do a fresh install of the drivers and then run Oblivion for the first time. So new test with the other card and same result. Then both cards and both monitors. Immediately failed. So i am assuming it is the monitors maybe. Then i took out the second card, did a fresh install, worked. Restarted computer. Fail. WHAT??? Oh and by the way i am also back to having the blank graphics (that is blue background with nothing in as in my first picture). Fantastic.

 

So it seems i can only have one card in and only one monitor AND have to do a fresh resintall of the drivers? WOW. No way am i gonna do that.

 

Why is that even a problem in the first place. Oblivion seems so crappily programmed it annoys me to no end.

 

Oh and of course the Alchemy thing is also not working.

 

One thing i have not tried yet and am too exhausted to do is having both cards in, one monitor and then reinstall the graphics drivers... (by the way simply disabling one monitor or unplugging it did not help. I HAD to reinstall the drivers for it to work before).

 

Also have not tried a blank reinstall of Oblivion on this computer. Don't want to screw up my installation path, but i guess that will be the last resort.

 

Anyway, keep the ideas coming. Thanks for all the suggestions so far. Good night for now.

[LordEmm]

For the record, i just did a complete reinstall of Oblivion. No mods or anything, just the game fresh off the disc. Same thing. Same problem. So it simply is that Obl is not recognizing my hardware properly. And i have no idea how to force it. Also i now can't seem to recreate my earlier success with the single card/single monitor setup.