Crash on Load- FCOM + More

[fearofshorts]

Hi guys.

I've set up oblivion according to Blade of Mercy's 50_Steps_To_Stable_FCOM+++ and it worked just fine. I installed all mods in order and then activated them all one by one, running the game, saving and quitting each time.

 

This worked great. I was able to play for a couple of hours with no issues. I then added on some more mods... and forgot which ones I added.

Now Oblivion just crashes whenever I try to load a game. Or start a new one.

 

Any idea how I can track down this issue?

 

Here's my Bash load order:

 

 

 

=== Active Mod Files:

* 00 Oblivion.esm

* 01 Windfall.esm

* 02 EnhancedWeather.esm [Version 1.4.1]

* 03 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

* 04 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm

* 05 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]

* 06 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]

* 07 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]

* 08 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm

* 09 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]

* 0A FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]

* 0B Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]

* 0C HorseCombatMaster.esm

* 0D Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.7]

* 0E UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]

* 0F Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

* 10 DLCShiveringIsles.esp

* 11 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]

* ++ Shivering OOO.esp

* ++ MOBS SI.esp [Version 1.2.2a]

* 12 MOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.2.2a]

* 13 MOBS SI Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.2.2a]

* 14 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp

* 15 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp

* 16 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp

* 17 Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp

* 18 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp

* ++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]

* ++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]

* 19 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]

* 1A Atmospheric Loading Screens - Random Quotes.esp

* 1B Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp

* 1C EnhancedWeather.esp [Version 1.3.5]

* 1D Enhanced Weather - Across-The-Borders Mods Patch.esp [Version Final]

* 1E Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp

* ++ Symphony of Violence.esp

* 1F MIS.esp

* 20 MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp

* 21 Atmospheric Oblivion.esp

* 22 Storms & Sound.esp

* 23 WindowLightingSystem.esp

* 24 AliveWaters.esp

* 25 AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp

* 26 AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp

* 27 Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp

* 28 Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp

* 29 Book Jackets Oblivion.esp

* 2A ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp

* 2B RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.7]

* 2C RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.5]

* 2D RAEVWD Imperial City.esp [Version 1.7]

* 2E Living Economy.esp

* 2F Living Economy - Items.esp

* 30 DLCHorseArmor.esp

* 31 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

* 32 DLCVileLair.esp

* 33 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

* 34 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

* 35 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]

* 36 DLCSpellTomes.esp

* ++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]

* ++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp

* ++ EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp

* 37 XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp

* 38 Armamentium female.esp

* 39 DLCThievesDen.esp

* 3A DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

* 3B DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]

* 3C KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp [Version 1.2]

* ++ FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp [Version 0.9.9]

* 3D Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp

* 3E Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]

* 3F Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]

* 40 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]

* ++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]

* 41 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp

* 42 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]

* 43 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp

* 44 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]

* 45 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]

* ++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]

* ++ OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp [Version 0.5]

* ++ OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon - LLOnly.esp [Version 0.5]

* ++ ArmamentariumLL.esp [Version 1.35]

* ++ ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp [Version 1.35]

* ++ ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp [Version 1.35]

* 46 ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.35]

* ++ ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp [Version 1.35]

* 47 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

* 48 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]

* ++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]

* ++ FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]

* 49 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

* ++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

* ++ FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]

* ++ FCOM_LessRats.esp [Version 0.9.9]

* ++ FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]

* ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

* ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

* 4A Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

* 4B Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

* 4C Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

* 4D Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

* ++ TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp [Version 1.40Alpha]

* 4E TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp [Version 1.39c]

* 4F TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]

* 50 TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp [Version 1.39c]

* 51 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]

* ++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]

* ++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]

* ++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]

* ++ FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]

* ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

* ++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]

* ++ ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]

* 52 Fransfemale.esp

* 53 OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]

* ++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]

* ++ EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp

* 54 Amaterasu no Yume.esp

* 55 Windfall.esp

* 56 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

* 57 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]

* 58 DLCfrostcrag.esp

* 59 FrostcragRebornCobl.esp

* 5A Knights.esp

* 5B Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]

* 5C EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp

* 5D TotF.esp

* 5E The Lost Spires.esp

* 5F Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

* ++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]

* 60 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]

* ++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]

* ++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]

* 61 AutoBookPlacer.esp

* 62 Cliff_BetterLetters.esp [Version 1.1]

* 63 EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp

* 64 ImprovedSoulgems.esp [Version 1.11]

* 65 P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]

* 66 PersuasionOverhaul.esp

* ++ Short Grass V3.esp

* 67 Enhanced Vegetation [110%].esp

* 68 Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.1.1]

* 69 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90]

* 6A SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]

* ++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.80]

* ++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]

* ++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]

* ++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86]

* 6B SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80]

* ++ SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70]

* ++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]

* ++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83]

* 6C MidasSpells.esp

* 6D RenGuardOverhaul.esp

* 6E DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp

* ++ SM_DeadlyReflex.esp [Version 0.86]

* 6F Oblivion XP.esp [Version 4.1.5]

* ++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.78]

* ++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp [Version 0.78]

* ++ EVE_KhajiitFix.esp

* 70 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]

* ++ bgBalancingEVNoSIVersion_Core_still_required.esp [Version 10.5DV-D]

* 71 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]

* ++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]

* ++ bgMagicItemSigil.esp [Version 1.68EV]

* ++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]

* 72 bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]

* 73 bgMagicAlchemy.esp [Version 1.57]

* 74 bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp [Version 1.68UV]

* ++ bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp [Version 9.0EV-U]

* ++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]

* ++ bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp [Version 10]

* ++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]

* 75 bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.51EV-D]

* ++ bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]

* 76 bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp [Version 10.5EV-D]

* ++ bgBalancingEVOptionalSeamReducerHighElfFix.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]

* 77 bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 0.993]

* 78 MRP - Autosaving.esp

* 79 MRP - Cant Equip Item.esp

* 7A MRP - Fast travel unavailable.esp

* 7B MRP - Horse stabled outside gate.esp

* 7C MRP - Loading area.esp

* 7D MRP - Not enough charge.esp

* 7E MRP - Quickloading.esp

* 7F MRP - Quicksaving.esp

* 80 MRP - You find nothing of use.esp

* 81 MRP - You successfully harvest.esp

* 82 bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.7EV]

* ++ bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp [Version 1.68]

* 83 bgMagicLightningbolt.esp

* 84 Get Wet.esp

* 85 CastleWestWeald.esp

* ++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]

* 86 Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]

* 87 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

* 88 Streamline 3.1.esp

 

 

 

Also note that whether or not I have all of the esps (excluding the cobl ones, as documented in it's readme) the exact same result occurs.

 

Thanks in advance!

[yeldarb]

Have you rebuilt your bashed patch since adding the mods? I have seen people post load orders that worked with most of your active mods. Do you still have a copy of your BOSS report from sorting your load order, you might need to see if you left out a patch or forgot something.

[fearofshorts]

No, I rebuilt the patch. And I check the BOSS instructions very carefully.

[Tomlong54210]

* ++ MOBS SI.esp [Version 1.2.2a] <-- You should have installed OMOBS. Not MOBS. They are different. Correct this.

* 12 MOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.2.2a] <-- This is not necessary with either version. OOO takes care of the combat settings. Do not install this module from the OMOBS package.

* 13 MOBS SI Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.2.2a]

 

* ++ OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp [Version 0.5] <-- Choose one or the other.

* ++ OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon - LLOnly.esp [Version 0.5] <-- Choose one or the other.

 

Right-click on a save before you added whatever extra mods you've added, and use the 'Diff Masters' command.

 

* 4E TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp [Version 1.39c] <-- Choose one or the other.

* 50 TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp [Version 1.39c] <-- Choose one or the other.

 

 

Please, read ReadMes more carefully in the future. What is your Bashed Patch configuration? Did you read the Bashed Tags Quick Guide on the opening post of the FCOM thread?

 

* 47 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] <-- Running this plugin with FCOM is not recommended because it requires a very good processor. I am not making this up. It is written on the FCOM Expanded Load Order page.

 

What is that MRP stuff? Are you sure those are compatible with FCOM? Where are the Persuasion Overhaul compatibility add-ons for OOO and MMM? Do you have the DR 5 hotfix installed?

[fearofshorts]

Thanks for such a detailed response!

MRP is just "message remover pack". It's a really simple, tiny mod that just gags annoying messages. I doubt that it would cause any issues.

 

I wonder, just what is considered a powerful CPU? Because I thought that my quad-core (yes I know, I know) 2.4GHz Q6600 might be able to handle it, so I installed it.

 

But thanks for pointing out all of that! I'll be sure to correct it tonight (have to go now).

[Tomlong54210]

Your CPU can handle FCOM just fine, but with other stuff and using add-ons and not using a spawn reducer it can pose a challenge for many processors. Powerful is relative, so here I am referring to setups that can run FCOM with ease. Quad-cores vary by architecture, and the Q6600 is one of the "older" quad-cores at this point, at least for intense gaming. Do not worry about needing to update or anything. Just be mindful of your specs. Oblivion, especially when modified with mods that add NPCs, is very CPU-intensive. When in doubt, try to cut down on mods that introduce AI packages (i.e., those attached to NPCs/creatures.)

 

RLO Database - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=rlo_database <-- see what some other users are running on and with, most of these LOs include FCOM

[fearofshorts]

Thanks for the help guys, but my game still crashes.

To clarify, it crashes just a moment or two into loading. Not sure if this is relevant.

 

Any more suggestions guys? I'm getting pretty desperate here.

[Tomlong54210]

Is it crashing before the main menu loads or before a save loads?

[fearofshorts]

Before a save loads. When it crashes before the main menu is a missing .esm, right?

So what does it mean when it crashes just as you start to load a/start a new game?

[Tomlong54210]

Before a save loads. When it crashes before the main menu is a missing .esm, right?

So what does it mean when it crashes just as you start to load a/start a new game?

I'd shoot for plugin conflicts. Try to regenerate the Oblivion.ini - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=know_how_to#RegenerateTheOblivion.ini

 

Scan your load order for possible sources of conflict. Use Bash's 'Diff masters' function on an older safe to see which mods you've added. The conflict will hopefully be found among those.

 

 

Edit: Typo