Enemies/NPCs spawning right next to me outside, in locations they don't belong

[Merrymac]

Whenever I travel outdoors, there is a good chance for creatures I have previously met/passed to spawn right next to me, even in places they shouldn't exist. This usually includes wildlife and/or bandits, but I have also had friendly named NPCs spawn in the same way, far away from their usual paths. I think this only occurs when I have passed their original location beforehand, but it doesn't seem to be limited to specific creatures.

It does not have anything to do with fast travel (I play with both fast travel and carriages disabled) - they simply pop up right beside me as I'm running or riding.

I am running the latest skyrim update and all of the latest unofficial patches. My ugridstoload is set to 7, but I have tested it with 5 and still had the same problem - not that I really know if that could cause it, but it was just something that came to mind.

Googling didn't turn up much. It seems some people have had trouble with corpses appearing on fast travel, but that's not exactly the same and was supposedly fixed in a patch. Does anyone have any experience with this?

Thanks!

 

Modlist:

 

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Dawnguard.esm

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

HearthFires.esm

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

Falskaar.esm

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

AzarHair.esm

EFFCore.esm

SGHairPackBase.esm

hdtHighHeel.esm

HmmWhatToWear.esm

HmmWhatToWearDawnGuard.esm

SPIKE.esm

daymoyl.esm

Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp

Ancient Skyforge Armor.esp

getSnowy.esp

7B-Sexy Tsun Armor.esp

The Coenaculi.esp

Moss Rocks.esp

Reinforced Armor.esp

BFPU Orcish Armor.esp

Barbaric Steelarmor.esp

NewmGlassRobe.esp

SimpleTaxes.esp

BlacktalonArmorV11UNP.esp

AncientDraugr.esp

BHWarPaints.esp

ReadingTakesTime.esp

KS Hairdo's.esp

College of Winterhold Entry Requirements.esp

CrimsonTwilightArmor.esp

UIExtensions.esp

Convenient Horses.esp

DF_T33.esp

NiaOutfitBBP.esp

Differently Ebony.esp

ImmersiveFP.esp

Pinup Poser.esp

DragonPlateBrazen.esp

EC Clothes.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

InvisibleCloak.esp

HelmetToggle2.02b.esp

MacKom_LoreStylesHairSet.esp

Brows.esp

Forbidden Ebony Armor.esp

IHSS.esp

NS_HuntingGroundsOutfit.esp

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

FullMetalBikini.esp

FaceMasksOfSkyrim.esp

SplashofRain.esp

7B Barbarian Armor.esp

Footprints.esp

Footprints - Ash.esp

LootandDegradation.esp

Mannequin.esp

The Coenaculi_Makeup.esp

MashupUNP.esp

Ebony Catsuit.esp

NewVampChainsCuirass.esp

No More Glowing Edges.esp

NewVampChainsGloves.esp

Travel Attire.esp

NightHawkTBBP.esp

Black Lotus.esp

Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp

Northgirl.esp

KJ Tattoos 2K.esp

BWS.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuOverlays.esp

RevampedExteriorFog.esp

SleekSteel_StandAlone.esp

SGHairPackAIO.esp

360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp

SkyUI.esp

towPov.esp

AradiaKatoArmor.esp

Titanium Armor.esp

UNPB Barbarian Armor.esp

Waterbreathing Breathless Emerge.esp

You Hunger.esp

AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp

VioLens.esp

Convenient Horses - Unique Frost.esp

Dovahkiin Mercenary Armor and Weapons UNP.esp

Ghorza's Armor.esp

Babette.esp

GDZZJJDH.esp

Dual Wield Parrying_RandomAttacks_Dawnguard.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Thieves Guild Requirements.esp

Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

EFFDialogue.esp

Nocturnal.esp

Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

Scarcity - Less Loot Mod.esp

NonEssentialChildren.esp

Scarcity - 6x Loot Rarity.esp

Scarcity - 6x Merchant Item Rarity.esp

Remove Interior Fog V2 - Skyrim.esp

Immersive Sounds - Aural Assortment.esp

Nightingale.esp

WATER.esp

Veteran Nord Plate.esp

ADS.esp

SkyFalls Plus SkyMills - All DLC.esp

Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp

Remove Interior Fog V2 - Dawnguard.esp

Remove Interior Fog V2 - Dragonborn.esp

WATER DB Waves.esp

Cloaks.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

Dead Body Collision.esp

1nivWICCloaks.esp

HeljarchenFarm.esp

Smelter_Riften & Solitude.esp

Sotteta Huntress Armor.esp

TheChoiceIsYours.esp

Point The Way.esp

SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp

Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp

Chesko_Frostfall.esp

Blacksmith Chests.esp

Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

Dark Dungeons for Dawnguard.esp

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp

more plants all extra.esp

AesirArmor.esp

CompanionArissa.esp

DarkDiciple.esp

RANs FFT-Archer.esp

WATER DG.esp

WATER Plants.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

Ritual Armor of Boethiah.esp

WestWindAssault.esp

calyps-bosmer.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

mjhReducedGoldRewards.esp

DragonboneBarbarianArmor.esp

TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp

dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

daedric remodeled.esp

daedric_phelm.esp

daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp

iHUD.esp

BetterNightEye.esp

GothiChix.esp

Real Clouds.esp

WestWindMisfit.esp

dovahkiinrelax.esp

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

moveitLWT.esp

Requiem.esp

Requiem - Resources.esp

Requiem - Heavy Shield Fix v1.7.3.esp

Requiem - HearthFires.esp

Requiem - Falskaar.esp

Requiem - Loot and Degradation Patch.esp

Requiem - Hard Times.esp

Soul Gem Fragment Values.esp

Requiem - Cloaks.esp

Requiem - WAF+Clothing and Clutter Fixes Patch.esp

Requiem - Guard Dialogue Overhaul Patch.esp

Requiem - Arissa.esp

Bijin Warmaidens.esp

mslVampiricThirst.esp

mslVampiricThirst - Requiem.esp

EnhancedMageExpForRequiem.esp

EnhancedMageExpForRequiem-MageArmorVFX.esp

EnhancedMageExpForRequiem-Alchemy.esp

EnhancedMageExpForRequiem-Enchanting.esp

EnhancedMageExpForRequiem-SkillBasedPerks.esp

RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp

RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp

RND_USKP-Patch.esp

Hunterborn.esp

Hunterborn_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp

Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp

RND Requiem Food Patch.esp

Hunterborn_Requiem-Patch.esp

Immersive Travel Hardcore.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

wizDynamicThings.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Snowcrabs:

http://i.imgur.com/JP0fbR7.jpg

Edited November 20, 2014 by Merrymac

[Merrymac]

I have started a new game, and after playing for a while, the problem appeared again.

 

I realize this isn't a very common issue, but any insight at all is greatly appreciated as it totally ruins the experience of traveling.

 

After doing some testing, I am now pretty sure it only happens to creatures/NPCs I have passed - My guess is that creatures from a cell I was just in teleport to me when I cross over to a new one, but this is just me speculating. I don't know enough about how Skyrim works or how the outdoor cells are divided to confirm this.

 

I did, however, find a spot where I could reproduce the bug. I have attached a screenshot of the location below, and running from Haemar's Shame to this spot (with speedmult modified to 300), the game will suddenly spawn foxes, bears, deer and bandits I have passed along the way. They will often not be hostile to anyone, and instead walk back to where they are supposed to be.

 

Here is the location (where my player marker is):

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/cus3Y5L.jpg

 

 

 

And here is a party of stuff that suddenly spawns there:

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/E46L97z.jpg

 

 

 

Again, any help or thoughts are greatly appreciated.

Edited November 20, 2014 by Merrymac

[gamefever]

Your Load order is as long as my arm and your using Ugrids 7.

 

Your game is struggling and is out of resources. Most likely the npc's failed to render....

 

It could be a graphics card issue or a memory issue either way I would expect CTD's to show up soon as well.

 

 

Took a much longer look at the LO, yes your running out of Graphics Memory and so basically there are some easy things that the game wont do like load npc's until your right up on them.

 

Now I know your thinking but my computer is so big and beautiful....Your so jealous of my PC its so vonderbar.

 

Well, at Ugrids 7 your Graphics Card is being forced to load stuff up that you cant even see yet.

Edited November 20, 2014 by gamefever

[Merrymac]

Your Load order is as long as my arm and your using Ugrids 7.

 

Your game is struggling and is out of resources. Most likely the npc's failed to render....

 

It could be a graphics card issue or a memory issue either way I would expect CTD's to show up soon as well.

 

 

Took a much longer look at the LO, yes your running out of Graphics Memory and so basically there are some easy things that the game wont do like load npc's until your right up on them.

 

Now I know your thinking but my computer is so big and beautiful....Your so jealous of my PC its so vonderbar.

 

Well, at Ugrids 7 your Graphics Card is being forced to load stuff up that you cant even see yet.

 

Yeah, I think it makes sense that it has to do with computer resources. The game does run pretty well overall, but there's no denying that my mod list is a bit on the long side :)

 

I've experienced creatures/NPC "pop-in" before, on a lower-end computer, but those have at least appeared where they should.

 

I still don't understand how the creatures appear right next to me instead of where they are supposed to, and the thing is that I see them before the spawning happens. For example, before the spot that i posted a screenshot of in my previous post, I pass a tower with some bandits in it and I can see them clear as day while running. Then, a short stretch after, the exact same bandits appear again, next to me, and just start walking back to the tower.

 

I did also revert to ugrids 5 for a while and still had it happen.

 

But I guess I'll have to clean out a lot more to fix this.

 

Thanks!

[LordRethan]

I have the same problems. It has nothing to do with late rendering.
The NPCs spawn next to me and they are not where they are supposed to be, in completely different cells and only from cells I came through before.
e.g. a whiterun guard, a bandit, a deer and a snowcrab spawn next to me in the middle of the road or in the wilds

Edit:
I made a new install and deactivated all mods I added lately. The problem persists.

This is my mod list:

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

JSwords.esm

Campfire.esm

TKChildren.esm

Unique Flowers & Plants.esm

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

BiPolarBlade.esp

MoonAndStarRing.esp

ForkOfHorripilation.esp

Furbag.esp

Dr_Bandolier.esp

AshlandAmulets.esp

Eduj.esp

AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

AncientGauldurAmulet.esp

BellHammer.esp

ClearSpringTarnFix.esp

HighResTexturePackFix.esp

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

Reinforced Hoods.esp

thereserve.esp

theReserveGuardandDog.esp

WhiterunGateFireRepair.esp

WhiterunGuardTowerRepair.esp

GildergleenSapplingGrown.esp

WhiterunGildergleemTreealivefix.esp

Proudspire Manor Bug Fixes.esp

WhiterunWatchtowerGuardfix.esp

SolitudeExteriorGuardfix.esp

RitualStoneRuinBench.esp

DrainHeartSwordMoreDMG.esp

DOVahLUVdragonLanguageWritingfix.esp

MaceofAevar.esp

Convenient Horses.esp

Default Teammate Weapon Draw Distance.esp

HHpilgrims.esp

HH_exterior_campfire_light_fix.esp

Giant_Largashbur_Starts_Dead.esp

the_retching_netch_chests_ownership.esp

SeverinManorMod.esp

SeverinManorLocation.esp

MoreCraftableFoodItems.esp

childskeletonfix.esp

StumblingSabrecat_Functional.esp

Lakeview_Extended_Basement.esp

DSpSoB.esp

purchasableskaalhome.esp

purchasableskaalhome_great_hall_repair.esp

purchaseableskaalhome_location.esp

WondersofWeather.esp

MoonGlow.esp

RedguardChildHairFix.esp

Footprints.esp

FaceMasksOfSkyrim.esp

WetandCold.esp

WetandCold - Ashes.esp

Serana_alive_Wet&Cold_fix.esp

DrSKnapsacks.esp

HearthFire Display Case Fix.esp

PrvtIRings.esp

EinherjarArmor.esp

Northborn Fur Hoods.esp

flaho_shi_eagles_nest_ENG.esp

flaho_shi_eagles_nest_ENG_NAVmeshfix.esp

flaho_shi_eagles_nest_ENG_windowlight_whiterun.esp

flaho_shi_eagles_nest_ENG_Shrines.esp

flaho_shi_eagles_nest_ENG_distant_clouds.esp

Helm_of_Yngol_Replica.esp

Fort Ironcrag.esp

Craftable and Placeable Havok-enabled Bedrolls .esp

FortIroncrag_Glacier_repair.esp

Fort_Ironcrag_Guards.esp

FortHighwood01.esp

Grayhill Keep.esp

Goldwatch.esp

HillHouse.esp

TownHoldGuardAfterCW.esp

TownHoldGuardAfterCW_RiftenNorthRoad.esp

TownHoldGuardAfterCW_ShorsStoneWatchtower.esp

Hold_SCcampfix_after_CW.esp

CW_soldier_sons_fix_(imperial_sons_guards).esp

PostCW_Dialoguefix.esp

FurLinedClothes.esp

Helgen Reborn.esp

Helgen Reborn_door_WestGate.esp

Rikke_Hadvar_nohelmet_fix.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp

DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp

Honningbrew Meadery and Innkeep fix after Thieves Guild.esp

TKChildren.esp

Goldwatch_Guard.esp

Rayya fix hair skin swords.esp

Illia fix.esp

dovahkiir last names children.esp

Hearthfire Lakeview cellar candlelight fix.esp

Hearthfire Lakeview patio items added.esp

Housecarl sleep bedroll.esp

Hearthfire Lakeview garden stones.esp

Hearthfire Lakeview exterior plants and insects.esp

Umbra.esp

MyModBoundBow.esp

Ebony Interwoven robes gloves.esp

Ebony interwoven boots.esp

Steward bed Lakeview enchanting tower no scripts.esp

Lakeview_bedroom_light.esp

DB Telvanni Household member Tel Mithryn fix.esp

DB Thirsk chair fix.esp

Tribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp

Tribunal Maskes by Zairaam.esp
___________________________________________ (above this line tested with 1.8 no probs, when updating to 1.9 -> random NPC spawn madness starts

SMIM-DragonbornTernFix.esp

SMIM-DungeonsCliffsIceSkirts.esp

SMIM-FarmhouseFlickeringFix.esp

SMIM-RiftenDocksRopesObjectFix.esp

SMIM-ShackRoofFixes.esp

SMIM-ShackRoofFixesDragonborn.esp

SMIM-SolitudeDocksFixes.esp

RealisticWaterTwo.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

Flora Overhaul Wind Branch Flexibility fix.esp

Unique Grasses.esp

Unique Grasses_clippingfixer.esp

Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp

JokerinePenguins.esp

Fina.esp

raeza.esp

Lamae.esp

Maxine - Zombie Follower.esp

GDZZJJDH.esp

UNP Simply Clothes.esp

ShShortswords.esp

IceBladeOfTheMonarch.esp

el_gildeddoubletsetcolor.esp

LindsRobesPack01.esp

DawnguardArsenal.esp

ElvenChainMail.esp

Insanity's Sorrow.esp

Insanity's Dragonbane.esp

Akemi_The_Follower.esp

Mirielle Follower.esp

FalmerLester.esp

Alex's Ume - A Standalone Voiced Companion.esp

Wolfbikini.esp

Traditional Blades Armor CBBE for Ume.esp

My Home Is Your Home.esp

HOPv - Horses On Patrol - Vanilla.esp

HOPv(P1) - Holds saddle replacer (1)(2)(4) 1.2.esp

Perfect Legionnaire - Troops Re-equipment.esp

Bleakfalls Watchtower Imperial Guards.esp

Imperial Mage Armor by Natterforme.esp

HOP - Horses On Patrol - Dawnguard.esp

Windhelm Lighthouse.esp

Castle Riverwood.esp

Castle Riverwood tree mountain fix.esp

SkyUI.esp

AMatterOfTime.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp

Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

RDO - USLEEP Patch.esp

RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp

FNIS.esp

TKDodge.esp

XPMSE.esp

MoreBrains.esp

DynDOLOD.esp

Occlusion.esp

 

Yes those are many but mostly small adjustments I made to the game (items, custom NPCs, changes to HF-Homesteads etc.), playerhomes, followers and graphic mods.

I also have ENBoost and SKSE installed.
(SKSE Plugins: Chrash Fixes, MFGConsole, Safetyload, lipsyncfix)
I think something in connection with SKSE - some rogue script or something - could cause it since I haven't experienced it some time ago before installing SKSE.
I'll test more tomorrow - need to sleep now.

Maybe someone can help with advice until then.

EDIT II:
It is not anything in connection with SKSE or ENBoost.
I tried a Skyrim 1.8 version (no SKSE, no ENBosst) with the same mods I used in 2018 and it worked just fine.
Then I updated Skyrim to 1.9 in Steam (no SKSE, no ENBosst) and the random NPC spawn starts to happen at every single possible "random encounters" spawnpoint and even where animal spawn markers are placed in the worldspace.

Why the heck is that?
Help me, folks.

Edited February 3, 2020 by LordRethan

[LordRethan]

 

EDIT II:

It is not anything in connection with SKSE or ENBoost.

I tried a Skyrim 1.8 version (no SKSE, no ENBosst) with the same mods I used in 2018 and it worked just fine.

Then I updated Skyrim to 1.9 in Steam (no SKSE, no ENBosst) and the random NPC spawn starts to happen at every single possible "random encounters" spawnpoint and even where animal spawn markers are placed in the worldspace.

 

 

 

Clean, fresh install of Skyrim 1.9 No SKSE. 100% Vanilla. No mods. With a unmodded savefile.

The random NPC spawnbug is still there.

Wth?

Can anyone help me? Maybe I am overlooking something?

Is there any way to make skse_1_07_03 work with Skyrim 1.8 (never had problems with 1.8 )?

 

This is where e.,g. the Khajjit are before I start my journey:

 

And this is where they suddenly spawn - or rather get teleported to - when I am on the road to Rorikstead right before the road to Falkreath Hold begins.

 

(That is not so bad even in this try. Normally there'd spawn a giant with them and beat them up.)

Edited February 5, 2020 by LordRethan

[LordRethan]

I guess I solved it.
It was this line in my skyrim.ini:
bPreemptivelyUnloadCells=1

For some reason in version 1.9 it does not just unload the NPCs in cells unloading behind you, but respawns them at every single spawnpoint of the cells you are currently in.

Edited February 5, 2020 by LordRethan

[ed1990on]

@LordRethan: "I guess I solved it. It was this line in my skyrim.ini: bPreemptivelyUnloadCells=1"

 

My Lord, I have the same issue. I found this line in my skyrimprefs.ini. Is it in the wrong place? Or should this line be in both skyrim.ini and skyrimprefs.ini? Much thanks for this though

[grstanford]

I've had this issue for ages on two different pc's, been going on for years now. hugely frustrating. It isn't bPreemptivelyUnloadCells that causes it, have that set to 0 in my ini files, not 1.

[Korodic]

Wow. I searched this many times and this is the first promising lead. Thanks all for your work looking into this and sharing with the community.