Another "building comp 4 first time." topics.

[Jagermh]

I would suggest that you buy MSI motherboard.

 

MSI usualy skimp on a few things like if you want sound going down your HDMI (I know you don't) then you can expect to be disapointed because they may not place the interface for that on the motherboard and you'll have trouble even hooking that kind of thing up anyway if you dont know what youre doing, you need skills with a multimeter to do that since they dont tell you which way the 2 pin goes on. Silly IKR :down:

[Nadin]

People will complain about any damn thing first chance they get, often without reason. The better way to make a decision is to listen to what they say that's GOOD about it, not what's bad.

Of course, that's just how I do it. And this motherboard debate is getting a bit aggressive, so I'm backing out now.

[Ihoe]

READ THE WHOLE THING

And no, not all of my questions have been answered yet.

 

So yeah, I've never built a computer before so expect everything I say to be nonsense to your eyes. I also expect you to tell me stuff like "that setup will never work" or "you don't need that extra junk, SLI is retarded" or "you really don't need that kind of money to build a good gaming PC" etc.

 

I've got 3k to work with, and my biggest problem is finding a motherboard with SLI that doesn't suck. Oh, and if anyone even thinks about telling me to buy an Asus you can shut up right now. Also don't point me in the direction of newegg to buy this stuff from, they send you "new" parts that are opened, and they're prices are rarely different from Tiger Direct.

 

Processor. At least I'm not getting one of those stupid Extreme things. It doesn't help me that the AMDs use different stats than the Intels, right now I'm not sure how to compare them. Told you I was an idiot. If you can point me in the direction of a AMD model that's better and for a similar price, do so.

 

The tower. If you know of something that will keep my PC cooler than this can please tell me, as this is my number one concern.

 

Sound card. I didn't pay to much attention to detail on this since it was the cheapest part anyway.

 

*edit*

Since whenever I post what kind of board I'm looking at, people just say "that looks good man" even when I specifically said that I need help deciding and that I'm unsatisfied with the current build, I just wont post them.

 

I'm looking for a motherboard that is large, stable, has SLI/Crossfire built in, and has mostly up to date features in it. I intend to install one card now and add others later to make it easier to keep up with new games. If you have a motherboard to recommend, you must have owned it for at least five months, that's the final due date for boards that break from what I've seen.

 

In regards to the graphics card, I'm looking at two of the best on the market (within a reasonable price anyway) and my primary concerns are cooling (especially when multiple cards are installed) and compatibility with Bethesda games. Due to the fact that Fallout 3 and New Vegas are the pickiest f**cking games in existence, I may end up picking a truly incredible graphics card that can own Crysis' pretty little ass, but still have Fallout BSOD every time I load it up.

 

Here they are 5970 and the GTX 480. Know of some better version of these cards? Be my guest and show them to me. *edit* I learned that the ATI seems to only be able to operate half in capacity when playing Direct-X 11 games. Most likely it has something to do with the drivers, or possibly the dual GPUs. So Nvidia wins by default.

 

Also I'd hoped to build a computer that can play most games on high settings for the next five years. If that's impossible, just give me a heads up.

building a PC that can run most games on high settings for the next 5 years is not impossible, it only depends on your luck. who knows how big of an impact will changing the fabrication method from 45nm to 22nm make on preformance. just don't rush, will you?

 

Processor: yes, good for you. but you really can't find any processor from amd that can cope with i7 930, but your descision is over the top. if you're only going to be gaming, will 8 threads be needed? i don't expect you to be calculating pi number. a good expensive CPU for gaming would be one with a higher clock speed. a Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition, or even Core i5-760 is More than Enough for Gaming. the only reason I can think of for moving up from a Core i5-760 is that LGA 1156 processors have an inherent limit of 16 PCIe lanes for graphics use. This is an architectural detail that the LGA 1156-based Core i5 and Core i7 processors share, so if a you plan to use more than two graphics cards in CrossFire or SLI, the LGA 1366 Core i7-900-series processors are the way to go. with the recent price drops, Core i7-950 is preferable to i7-930.

 

Case-Tower: are you going to overclock anything?

 

Sound-Card:...

 

GPU: go find a GTX 580, it's preferable to a 480. My advice? don't go for sli unless your resolution is at least 2560x1600. only go for sli if:

you are smart enough to cope with the technical problems, game profiles, driver issues, micro-stuttering and etc.

you don't want to change your graphics cards for 5 years on first thought.

and you want to play crysis, crysis and crysis at 70+ FPS.

 

MO-Board: I want to Know for what reason you turn down asus, since an Asus Rampage II Extreme X58 LGA 1366, is the most over the top gaming mo-bo, or even Asus Maximus III Formula for LGA 1156. if you really feel an Unbearable Pain in your Butt for buying Asus, go buy GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 or (Stressed for Newbies) GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 for i7-900s. buy MSI 890FXA-GD70 AM3 for any socket AM3 AMD processor you prefer.

[Nadin]

See, now the guy above me has it right.

[Deleted631007User]

building a PC that can run most games on high settings for the next 5 years is not impossible, it only depends on your luck. who knows how big of an impact will changing the fabrication method from 45nm to 22nm make on preformance. just don't rush, will you?

I wish I payed more attention to the computer industry. :confused:

 

Processor: yes, good for you. but you really can't find any processor from amd that can cope with i7 930, but your descision is over the top. if you're only going to be gaming, will 8 threads be needed? i don't expect you to be calculating pi number. a good expensive CPU for gaming would be one with a higher clock speed. a Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition, or even Core i5-760 is More than Enough for Gaming. the only reason I can think of for moving up from a Core i5-760 is that LGA 1156 processors have an inherent limit of 16 PCIe lanes for graphics use. This is an architectural detail that the LGA 1156-based Core i5 and Core i7 processors share, so if a you plan to use more than two graphics cards in CrossFire or SLI, the LGA 1366 Core i7-900-series processors are the way to go. with the recent price drops, Core i7-950 is preferable to i7-930.

Actually I had it in my head that making my PC last longer would be easier if I installed an extra card whenever I needed it. So yeah, an ahead of it's time processor and room for multiple graphics cards was what I had in mind. Probably not a good idea now that I have time to think about it.

 

Case-Tower: are you going to overclock anything?

Won't even begin to consider it until the warranty expires on all the parts. But, I have heard the higher end GTX cards are friggin HOT anyway.

 

Sound-Card:...

...Yeah I get it...

 

GPU: go find a GTX 580, it's preferable to a 480. My advice? don't go for sli unless your resolution is at least 2560x1600. only go for sli if:

you are smart enough to cope with the technical problems, game profiles, driver issues, micro-stuttering and etc.

you don't want to change your graphics cards for 5 years on first thought.

and you want to play crysis, crysis and crysis at 70+ FPS.

I'll be playing this on a big screen, though I'm used to playing consoles where the resolution is lower than that anyway.

Also in regards to Crysis, I'm not perceptive to notice anything so long as it holds above 30 FPS.

 

MO-Board: I want to Know for what reason you turn down asus, since an Asus Rampage II Extreme X58 LGA 1366, is the most over the top gaming mo-bo, or even Asus Maximus III Formula for LGA 1156. if you really feel an Unbearable Pain in your Butt for buying Asus, go buy GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 or (Stressed for Newbies) GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 for i7-900s. buy MSI 890FXA-GD70 AM3 for any socket AM3 AMD processor you prefer.

I read bad reviews far more often than the good. Call me paranoid, but I take a "too good to be true" mentality to things like that, and so far that mentality has done good for me. What I gathered from the reviews is that the boards are good, really good, but complicated and fragile at the same time. More importantly, if a board arrives to you DOA or breaks after a while, you're pretty much doomed to never get it properly fixed or replaced. I avoid bad customer service like the plague, especially when it comes to things like this where I have no chance of fixing the problem on my own. It seems the only real support you can get is from the other users in the forums and it's not like they can help you if it's fried.

 

*addendum*

Okay, I've been going over a bunch of motherboards while I was writing this, and it seems to me that the problem might not stem directly from Asus. The x58 chipset has the same problems on almost every board I've been looking at now, and the only boards I've ever looked at from Asus were x58... Still stand by what I said about customer service though, it looks pretty bad.

 

Honestly, I am definitely being overly hostile on this. The motherboard has had me stuck for nearly a year and it's not like I have the cash to experiment. I'm thinking now that it really isn't worth the headache. :wallbash:

[Nadin]

You have 3K to spend, Yes?

[Deleted631007User]

You have 3K to spend, Yes?

Maybe not for much longer. Just found out the cars transmission needs to be replaced. I don't think it will cut into the money I had set aside for the computer, but I'm not certain. :ohmy:

[urbex]

This guide really is flawless, I recommended using it.

www.tinyurl.com/falconguide

[Jagermh]

If you dont have onboard 8 channel sound then you can pick a sound card up for $30

You dont actualy need a fancy sound card unless you have fancy speakers and fancy speakers are any speakers that cost more than $200 which is overkill when you can get logitech ones for <$100 which are great

[Ihoe]

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I currently own a Maximus III formula, which i bought back in July 20th, I did Some overclocking experiments on it, but it hasn't let me down. I've also had a very good experience from gigabyte, which lasted 6 years for me.

 

a GTX 580 is Freaking Cool compared to 480, which is also much more freaking noisy. go buy it. take the new Radeon HD 6850 and 6870s into account aswell, since they are a real bang for buck. but not much of a power house. you might wait some time for the HD 69XX series cards to come out as well.