Bad_Skeelz Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 To lend what little clout I have to the "Where does Dwemer armor come from?" argument: On a hill near Arkenghad(sp) there is a statue of either a dwemer or of a Persian Immortal, they look the same to me <_< . This Dwarf is equipped with a tower shield and a large spear, suggesting that they did not have an entirely construct-based military. Whether this is a statue of a noble, a symbolic guard or of some dwemer god I do not know. If it is a statue of a common guard/soldier, then in all likelyhood some parts of dwemer armor (the cruriass for example) were actually manufactured as armor for humanoid beings and not some construct. However, while traveling in Arkehnghad I met a kind-hearted fellow named a Steam Construct. After punching me with a fist about the size of the ball on the Ball Centurion, I killed the mechanical monstrosity and got a partial look at him, due to the other 3 centurions forcing me to flee. The construct was probably about as tall as your average sized orc with a standard humanoid body structure, but had a much broader chest, as well as thicker limbs. I believe it is very likely that Dwemer Plate is the armor pried off of these steam constructs, since they are the only construct I know of that seem to be 'wearing' armor over thier humanoid frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marxist ßastard Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 The statue is of Kagrenac. It's probably just some propaganda to make all the Dwemer engineers look badass and wave a spear in ther Chimers' face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmac Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Ever read the skillbook Chimeravadum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marxist ßastard Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Bookskill_Heavy Armor3 Added to that, the Dwemer were fully armored, well-rested, and eager for battle... ...this word occurs several times in plans of Dwemer armor and Animunculi... Ah, it seems that I stand corrected. Not only a description of rank-and-file Dwemer soldiers, but also a distinction between the Dwemer military and the animunculi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_Skeelz Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Bookskill_Heavy Armor3 Added to that, the Dwemer were fully armored, well-rested, and eager for battle... ...this word occurs several times in plans of Dwemer armor and Animunculi... I suppose this shoots down my Steam-construct-armor theory as well. But...assuming that all Dwemer Plate is left over from actual Dwemer grunts, this would imply that when they went 'poof' all their clothes and stuff stayed behind (as that ash-pile thing from the Tribunal expansion suggests) then why do the dwemer ghosts still have clothes? If their trying to reach the material plane from wherever they went off to and they left all their clothes and armor behind on this plane, shouldn't we be assualted by naked, bearded ghosts instead of bearded ghosts in robes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marxist ßastard Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Well, I never said that the animunculi and jarheads didn't use the same armor. In fact, that very book insinuates that the same smiths that made golems and animunculi also created armor, and that the plans for animunculi are similar to those for armor. That there were even plans for armor also seems to support this. The Dwarven Spectres are probably just the Dwemer versions of the ancestor ghost -- Dwarves that died before and during the War of the First Council and were therefore not affected by the heart that roam the ruins that were their homes as wraiths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeLLL Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 You are correct there Marxist. Dwarven Specteres are EXACTLY like the dunmer ancestrol ghosts. Dwarves that died before and during the War of the First Council and were therefore not affected by the heart that roam the ruins that were their homes as wraiths. I disagree with that. 1: Ghosts will stay here on this plane if they have unfinshed bussiness <gniss eggmione anyone> so one can say that the spectres are guarding somewhing of importance <hence there unfinshed bussiness>. VERY fesible idea. 2: It is my understanding that the Spectre in Tribunal <when you get the "flame" put on Hopesfire <???> died when the heart was struck hence the ashpiles all around him <will in the ruin>. since there is no obvious signs of a "battle" happening in that ruin. That and the War of the First Council from what I can tell happened on Vvardenfell NOT in Mournhold <which was not even a city at this time>. My 2 cents anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta'Thalos Posted October 25, 2003 Author Share Posted October 25, 2003 Marxist, how do you know it's of Kagrenac? The same statue is sen throughout the Dwemer ruins on Vvardenfell; wouldn't that insinuate that it might be a statue of their King? (Damnit can't remember his name.. it's in Vivec's account of Red Mountain but I can't remember it) And cmac by bringing up Chimarvamidium (note spelling ffs) are you trying to say that the steam golems and centurions actually have Dwemer stuffed inside them?? :D :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesaynothin Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 The statues look just like a scaled up Dwemer Ghostie, so I would assume the statues were just there to make the dwemer look more powerful. Like the Dragon statue in Ebonheart. It is not a specific dragon, but one of many. The statues are probably not a specific noble or anything, just a regular solider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Laguna Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Ta'Thalos, nobody is implying that the Centurions have Dwemer stuffed inside them. In the book Chimeravadum, the smith pretends to be a Centurion in order to spy on the Chimer.Also you have to give that book, as part of a quest, to the Mages Guild quest giver in Ald'ruhn. After she guives it back she mentions that the book was completely useless, hinting that it is not really a true story.About making armor out of Amniculi, it is completly illogical. Why would you build a Centurion only to take it apart and make armor out of it? On the other hand, the rear of a Dwemer cuirass is kind of odd... :unsure: Click here for a very good guide to the Dwemer in general, as well as three theories regarding their dissapearance. I agree with theory number three. Whoever wrote that guide did an awsome job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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