Help Fixing up Load Order

[Aryeonos]

So I've been reading the UESP on how to use Wrye Bash, and I've been fiddling with my load order and trying to use Bashed Patch, but I honestly haven't a clue what I'm doing. I've been running into CTDs every time I save, even with the console, I can't even get Streamline to run I'm just in over my head in general. If I could get help setting up my load order properly and putting the appropriate mods in the right grouping in wrye, and help explaining why mod z goes in group ʥ.

 

I've included the dummy .esp s just to show how I've grouped the mods. However I don't really know what belongs in what group I just did what I thought made sense.

 

 

Oblivion.esm

CM Partners.esm

ScreenEffects.esm

UnnecessaryViolence.esm

HorseCombatMaster.esm

Better Cities Resources.esm

++ROOT=====================.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

ScreenControls.esp

Streamline 3.1.esp

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

++LIBRARY==================.esp

CM Partners.esp

++LIBRARY+1================.esp

++COSMETIC=================.esp

Alluring Potion Bottles.esp

DappleClydesdaleupdate.esp

greyclydesdale.esp

MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp

Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Vegetation_200%_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Weather_HDR_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael.esp

RTFemaleReplacerV12.esp

AlienSlof's Horses Base.esp

++CLOTHING=================.esp

kikaiDSSeductiveArmor.esp

Sexy Dark Seducer & Golden Saint Armour.esp

AlienSlof and Tanya's Saint Armor.esp

AlienSlof's Boners! v5.esp

++WEAPON===================.esp

Lamayo's Katars.esp

sk_Katanas.esp

++TWEAK-1==================.esp

++TWEAK====================.esp

cidnothump.esp

CLS-CMHotKeys-OBSE.esp

CurseOfHircine - Symphony of Night.esp

EnchantmentRestore.esp

EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp

Enhanced Hotkeys.esp

FF_Real_Thirst.esp

GDS.esp

RealHungerv1.4_NO_MMM.esp

RealSleepExtended.esp

TFE.esp

undercover.esp

Valuable Clutter.esp

Werewolf-Legends.esp

++TWEAK+1==================.esp

[Calsar] ArrowSpeedRealismSI.esp

GalerionUnarmoredAcrobatics.esp

Ronyns_Realistic_and_Fun_Acrobatics-8494.esp

++TWEAK+2==================.esp

P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp

++OVERHAUL-1===============.esp

++OVERHAUL=================.esp

++OVERHAUL+1===============.esp

++OVERHAUL+2===============.esp

++OVERHAUL+3===============.esp

++OVERHAUL+4===============.esp

++MISC.====================.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

P1DseeYouSleep.esp

personality_idles4.esp

++MISC.+1==================.esp

++MAGIC====================.esp

FearsomeMagicka.esp

Morrowind Ingredients.esp

MW_booze.esp

RshAlchemy.esp

RshAlchemyRecipes.esp

SM_DLCSpellTome.esp

SM_EnchantStaff.esp

SM_NoSpellLights.esp

SM_Scrolls.esp

SM_ShiveringIsles.esp

SM_SigilStone.esp

SupremeMagicka.esp

++MAGIC+1==================.esp

++MAGIC+2==================.esp

++NPC======================.esp

bearmount.esp

CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp

CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp

CM Partners More NPCs.esp

CM Partners NPC.esp

CM Partners Special NPCs.esp

Curse of Hircine - Werewolf Hunters.esp

Hsrahbi.esp

Khajiit 1.esp

Khajiiti Archers.esp

++HOME=====================.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

++HOME+1===================.esp

++PLACE====================.esp

300_Caldera.esp

The Emerald Isle.esp

++PLACE+1==================.esp

++QUEST-1==================.esp

++QUEST====================.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

Knights.esp

Miniquest_Vampire.esp

++QUEST+1==================.esp

++QUEST+2==================.esp

++QUEST+3==================.esp

++NONE=====================.esp

P1DkeyChain.esp

++LAST-1===================.esp

++LAST=====================.esp

Better Cities .esp

Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp

Better Cities - Werewolf-Legends.esp

Better Cities Full.esp

Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp

Better Imperial City.esp

Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp

BHC_Expanded.esp

VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp

++LAST+1===================.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp

DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp

UnnecessaryViolence.esp

 

I started running into problems (the ctding constantly) when I was in the dungeons during the last thieves guild quest, now I cant save pretty much ever.

If there is any more info I can provide, just ask. This is all I could think of at the moment, I'm kinda fried from rage and coffee. (not drugs I don't do those.)

[mooncarver]

are you using boss to sort your load order?

[Aryeonos]

I'm using Full BALO, Lock Times, and Auto Group inside of Wrye Bash, but I don't believe I'm using BOSS... This is another program entirely we are talking about correct?

[mooncarver]

I'm not familiar with balo, but from what I've read so far, boss is an essential tool for a modded oblivion. download the main files and the newest masterlist, put it in your data folder, start wrye bash (don't forget to disable lock times) and click on the little boss symbol on the bottom of the wrye window. boss will sort your stuff and assign correct bash tags to each mod, so that wrye will know how to handle them when making the bashed patch.

 

edit: for example only few mods exist which are supposed to come after a bashed patch and as far as I know, deadly reflex isn't one of them. never used unnecessary violence but I think it doesn't belong at the very end as well.

 

edit²: but streamline is something you may want to have at the bottom of your list. just get boss and give it a try =)

[Aryeonos]

K so I installed boss, and manually made "BOSSlog.txt", ran BOSS, it actually reordered the group tags which kinda worries me and BOSSlog is blank even after running the BAT.

Can't say if fixed my corrupted but somehow still working saves, but, my old and hopefully uncorrupted save still works.

I'm just really really worried my saves will do the permacorrupt thing again... and I still can't get streamline to run... But thanks allot, really. I don't know much about what should go where in my load order; I hope BOSS really does know what it is doing.

 

Edit: Should I dissable grouping/auto grouping in Wrye Bash if I'm running BOSS?

[AlfredTetzlaff]

K so I installed boss, and manually made "BOSSlog.txt", ran BOSS, it actually reordered the group tags which kinda worries me and BOSSlog is blank even after running the BAT.

Can't say if fixed my corrupted but somehow still working saves, but, my old and hopefully uncorrupted save still works.

I'm just really really worried my saves will do the permacorrupt thing again... and I still can't get streamline to run... But thanks allot, really. I don't know much about what should go where in my load order; I hope BOSS really does know what it is doing.

 

Edit: Should I dissable grouping/auto grouping in Wrye Bash if I'm running BOSS?

 

Hi, not sure about the grouping feature but you have to disable "Lock Times", otherwise BOSS does not work. Also make sure to get the latest Masterlist for BOSS, its a seperate download.

After BOSS did its job it shows the results in BOSSlog.txt, so an empty one is bad :)

(Dont forget to rebuild your bashed Patch afterwards)

 

Hope this helps a little bit

[mooncarver]

K so I installed boss, and manually made "BOSSlog.txt", ran BOSS, it actually reordered the group tags which kinda worries me and BOSSlog is blank even after running the BAT.

Can't say if fixed my corrupted but somehow still working saves, but, my old and hopefully uncorrupted save still works.

I'm just really really worried my saves will do the permacorrupt thing again... and I still can't get streamline to run... But thanks allot, really. I don't know much about what should go where in my load order; I hope BOSS really does know what it is doing.

 

Edit: Should I dissable grouping/auto grouping in Wrye Bash if I'm running BOSS?

 

very important: as mentioned above you must use the newest masterlist. it's a separate download.

 

on a slightly different note: your problem sounds familiar. when I first played oblivion (with a ton of mods), I managed to complete the main storyline and started adding story quests. at some point my saves started getting corrupted. no matter which savegame I loaded, after what it seemed a certain amount of area transitions oblivion wouldn't let me load my saves anymore. couldn't fix it back then. if you haven't progressed too far and no solution works, maybe starting a new game with your boss-sorted modlist would be a good idea.

[bben46]

In what way is streamline not working? Which part of streamline? Crash? Not doing what you think it should? doing something you think it shouldn't? Other?

[Aryeonos]

I think I fixed it, I read somewhere in the readme that it will launch automaticaly at startup, which overwrote a previous thought that I had read that you had to manually launch it by typing "startquest slini2" in the console, However it didn't import my ini settings how I set them, but I changed it in the in game Streamline Menu. (Just to make sure) a 1 next to an option means it is active and a zero is inactive? That makes sense to me, being binary and all, but I wanna make sure I didn't revers all the settings.

 

Edit: boss isn't doing anything, I have the master list in DATA, but when I run boss ether from its DLL or from Wrye bash nothing really happens then BOSSlog.txt comes up (a blank document) am I supposed to copy the contents of the master list into BOSSlog?

[bben46]

All 3 - Boss.exe, Boss.bat and the masterlist.txt must be in the Oblivion\data folder. The first time you run it, there will not be a bosslog.txt and you will get an error telling you this. It will take a minute or so to while it looks like nothing is happening. If you exit or abort the Boss program during this time it will not complete and you will not get a new bosslog.txt or a blank one. It takes a little time to compare your mods against its 10,000 or so entries and sort them. You run boss from boss.bat - if you run it from Wrye Bash, it does this for you.

 

Yes, a 1 is ON and a 0 is off.

 

Streamline works by changing your video ini settings on the fly as you play. Where you set the sliders or what you set in the ini will no longer matter as Streamline will change them whether you want them changed or not.

 

It is a trade off, it trades video features for game FPS. It will lower your video settings as much as it is allowed to try to get the FPS you specified. If you set yor desired FPS too high, soon you will not see a wall until you almost run into it. Bandits will be appearing right in front of you already attacking. And arrows will hit you from unseen attackers.

 

Streamline is primarily intended for low end computers that can barely play Oblivion with an FPS of 10 to 15, not for those that can maintain 25 to 30 FPS or more without it.

 

As both Movie and TV FPS is actually between 25 and 30 FPS (technical specs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTSC ) and both Xbox and PS3 versions are locked at 30 FPS max, why would you need a higher number?