Possibly installed Better Cities wrong?

[buttpoop]

Hi, I'm new to these forums but I've spent the better part of the last week consuming information everywhere I could to find out as much about Oblivion mods as I could. I've learned how to use OBSE and OBMM and BOSS, and modded the living daylights out of Oblivion to play it again for the first time in years because it's like falling in love again. After careful tinkering I finally got it to not CTD every time I entered a cityspace and my FPS is finally up to par in most areas, although it does tend to drop dramatically whenever any NPC is on my screen at all (except sometimes in dungeons). Anyway, I'm posting to ask if this sounds like I've installed BBC wrong. When I first got it, I quickly found the floor tile in the Imperial City saying "move BC-IC.esp lower in your list if you can see this", so I did and it sorted itself out. Later on I found out that it was really really iffy about entering different districts, and it CTD about 10 times in a row just for trying to enter Bruma no matter what I seemed to click off (although I was reluctant to disable BBC) and this is a new game as of this week so I am nowhere near the point where it's trying to build a statue, although I'm a Wood Elf anyway.

 

After reading about PyFFI I spent last night converting around 741 megs of meshes and my game runs a ton better, actually allowing me into Bruma for the first time, where I notice... it looks like the city is loaded twice on top of itself. Doors and houses are half stuck into the ground, some buildings have a door in front of the door flush with the building, and the ground is unlevel with stuff (floating objects). Also, that pesky floor tile in the Imperial City came back, and even though I've put BBC all the way at the bottom it still remains. Should I do a hard reinstall of BBC or does someone think I have a mod conflict?

 

Also, my FPS drops a ton but only when NPCs are onscreen, usually in the cities. It does this even though I've sat in my house in the Imperial City for 73 hours (with pesky quests popping in to assassinate/be assassinated). I have CityLife but it does this whether that's active or not. Basically my mod profile is set up to add quests, and because I wanted new items in the levelled lists for when I get past the vanilla cap of glass items. There are a few cosmetic things but they aren't as important to me as lengthening the game, which I clocked around 150 hours on the 360 before figuring out my fancy dancy laptop can run this beast.

 

Load order:

 

Oblivion.esm

Jog_X_Mod.esm

All Natural Base.esm

Harvest[Containers].esm

Mart's Monster Mod.esm

Better Cities Resources.esm

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp

Knights.esp

Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp

All Natural - Real Lights.esp

All Natural.esp

All Natural - SI.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp

Distant Chapel Bells.esp

DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp

Book Jackets Oblivion.esp

Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

SigilStonesExpanded1.5.esp

DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp

Harvest[Containers].esp

Harvest[Containers] - SI.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

Harvest[Containers] - SI - Ore Respawn.esp

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp

Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esp

moDem's City Life.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

Immersive Travelers.esp

C&C - The Blackwood Company.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp

AyleidStatueMap.esp

ShadowbanishMap.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp

ShowDaedricShrines.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp

Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp

Classic Books.esp

OS Artifacts.esp

Rope Ladders v1.esp

XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp

Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp

Mart's Monster Mod.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced Reduced.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp

Crowded Roads.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp

Creatures Alive v1.3.esp

Cats & Rats for MMM.esp

AdenseEpicDungeon.esp

hackdirtabyss.esp

Kragenir's Death Quest.esp

KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp

LetThePeopleDrink.esp

KragenirsDeathQuest-LetThePeopleDrink patch.esp

Return Of Shadows.esp

Servant of the Dawn.esp

thievery.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp

The Lost Spires.esp

xuldarkforest.esp

LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp

mythsandlegends.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp

SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp

xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp

MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp

KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.esp

Harvest [Flora].esp

Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp

Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp

Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp

Drop Lit Torches Weight.esp

Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 CT.esp

ImprovedSoulgems.esp

P1DkeyChain.esp

P1DKeyChainSI.esp (note - currently inactive due to recent install and haven't opened up my keyring yet to be safe to activate)

PersuasionOverhaul.esp

Short Grass V3.esp

StarX Vampire Deaths.esp

StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.esp

MidasSpells.esp

dyseso_Light_Ingred.esp

Stealth Entrances v1.esp

Denock Arrows.esp

Dark Dungeons.esp

Dark Dungeons - SI.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp

bgMagicEV.esp

bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp

bgMagicItemSigil.esp

bgMagicEVStartspells.esp

bgMagicBonus.esp

bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp

bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp

bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp

[GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp

[GFX]_Initial_Glow-creatures.esp

bgMagicEVShader.esp

bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp

bgMagicLightningbolt.esp

Streamline 3.1.esp

Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp

Loot_the_Dead-9946.esp

Explorers 2.2.esp

Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp

Alluring Wine Bottles.esp

MadnessANDAmberOreRespawns.esp

More_Gold_in_Locked_Containers-5976.esp

Better Cities .esp

xulSnowdale.esp

xulStendarrValley.esp

xulTheHeath.esp

MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp

XulEntiusGorge.esp

xulFallenleafEverglade.esp

LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp

xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp

xulChorrolHinterland.esp

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp

KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp

xulBravilBarrowfields.esp

xulLushWoodlands.esp

xulAncientYews.esp

xulAncientRedwoods.esp

xulCloudtopMountains.esp

KragenirsDeathQuest-CloudtopMountains patch.esp

xulArriusCreek.esp

xulPatch_AY_AC.esp

xulPantherRiver.esp

xulRiverEthe.esp

xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

UL Imperial Isle Adense Epic Dungeon Patch.esp

xulBlackwoodForest.esp

xulCheydinhalFalls.esp

xulAspenWood.esp

xulSkingradOutskirts.esp

Better Cities Full.esp

Better Cities - Thievery.esp

Better Imperial City.esp

ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp

VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp

Oblivion XP.esp

Level_Rates_Modified_x5.esp

TimeScaleOptions.esp

 

[Tushaar]

I think you have way too few Better cities esp's unless you have done something with wrye bash, merging.

Do you have the latest Better cities, includes Better cities permanent resources, Better cities 4-7-0 and Better cities 4-7-1

You need all of those rar files downloaded. And you need to make an Omod of every file.

Here are the Better cities esp's that i have:

Better Cities Full.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp

Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp

Better Cities - Thievery.esp

Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp

Better Imperial City.esp

Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp

Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp

Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp

Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp

 

All of them are quite at end of the load order :)

[buttpoop]

Oh my. I know I had a pretty recent version, and I had loaded the permanent resources, 4-7-0a and 4-7-0, but looking at what you have, there are quite a few patches I seem to be missing. I'll load those and post an update soon :) it looks like there's a version 4-8-0 uploaded recently anyway!

 

And you need to make an Omod of every file.

 

I need to MAKE one? I know how to unpack one, but how do I make it?

[Tushaar]

If you have OBMM, then do this:

Unpack every rar file you downloaded (should be 3) where ever you want, should be in a folder

In OBMM click Create in the down section right in the middle of Activate and Edit

Then you should add the folder where you extracted the rar file. You should have 3 folders all together.

Next you name the OBMM with BC permanent resources ; BC4-7-0 and BC4-7-1 (As i have them at the moment)

You need to create 3 different omods So you have to repeat the process 3 times.

Once you have all 3 omods in the right window with your other omods click activate in this order:

First activate the Permanent resources omod

Next the 4-7-0 (As i have :D)

And lastly 4-7-1

Now you should have it working :D

[msico]

I had a similar question and this description helped tremendously! Thanks a bunch Tushaar