GooeyGungan Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Hey everyone.I've been working on this for days, and it's got me stumped. Thus, I come to you humbly asking for help.A while ago, I installed Nehrim, and played it for a while, but then I decided that I wanted to play good old (heavily modded) Oblivion. Thus, I fired up Wrye Bash, ran BOSS, just to be sure, went to my old save and clicked load masters. When I started the game, It crashed when the loading bar was just barely starting to move. I tried starting a new game, just to be sure, and the same thing happened. I tried a bunch of things, but none of them worked, so I uninstalled EVERYTHING, and started over from scratch. After reinstalling everything, it still crashes. I know this is something more than a simple mod conflict, because this configuration worked before. However, BOSS does make Streamline load earlier now. I don't think this is the problem, as I've moved it back to the end and it still doesn't work. Also of note: I have the GotY edition and the Knights of the Nine disk (if that matters). More importantly, when I try to start the game without the disk, the error I get is in German. This is part of the reason why I think the problem could be related to Nehrim. Here is my current load order (the one from my save): Active Mod Files: • 00 Oblivion.esm • 01 Windfall.esm • 02 EnhancedWeather.esm [Version 1.4.1] • 03 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm • 04 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm • 05 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72] • 06 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34] • 07 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b1] • 08 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7] • 09 Better Cities Resources.esm • 0A HorseCombatMaster.esm • 0B UnnecessaryViolence.esm • • • Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53] • • • Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53] • 0C Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0] • 0D UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0] • 0E Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp • 0F DLCShiveringIsles.esp • 10 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0] • 11 Better Cities .esp • 12 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp • 13 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp • 14 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp • 15 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp • ++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9] • ++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 16 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 17 Fran Armor Add-on.esp • 18 Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp • 19 EnhancedWeather.esp [Version 1.3.5] • 1A Enhanced Weather - Across-The-Borders Mods Patch.esp [Version Final] • 1B Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp • 1C PCSoundRhett.esp [Version 2.6] • 1D diversegrasses.esp • ++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76] • 1E Streamline 3.1.esp • 1F DLCHorseArmor.esp • 20 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] • 21 DLCOrrery.esp • 22 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3] • 23 DLCVileLair.esp • 24 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] • 25 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp • 26 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4] • 27 DLCSpellTomes.esp • ++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1] • 28 DLCThievesDen.esp • 29 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] • 2A DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4] • 2B ExnemRuneskulls.esp • ++ FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 2C Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72] • 2D Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63] • ++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44] • 2E Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp • 2F FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 30 Loth's Blunt Weapons.esp • 31 Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp • ++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9] • • • Oblivion WarCry.esp [Version 1.085a] • 32 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp • 33 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 34 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34] • ++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33] • ++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 35 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 36 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 37 Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp [Version 3.7b1] • 38 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b1] • 39 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b1] • ++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69] • 3A Malevolent.esp • 3B Windfall.esp • 3C DLCfrostcrag.esp • 3D FrostcragRebornCobl.esp • 3E Knights.esp • 3F Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9] • 40 RTT.esp • ++ Enhanced Weather - Ruined Tail's Tale Patch.esp [Version Final] • 41 The Lost Spires.esp • 42 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.4] • 43 LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp • 44 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2] • 45 xulTheHeath.esp • 46 XulEntiusGorge.esp • 47 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1] • 48 LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp [Version 1.2] • 49 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1] • 4A xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2] • 4B xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4] • 4C xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2] • 4D xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3] • 4E xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.2] • 4F xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6] • 50 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3] • 51 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3] • 52 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1] • 53 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.2] • 54 xulPantherRiver.esp • 55 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2] • 56 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0.2] • 57 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.3] • 58 xulBlackwoodForest.esp • 59 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1] • 5A xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.1] • 5B xulSkingradOutskirts.esp • ++ FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 5C Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] • ++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0] • ++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0] • 5D Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0] • 5E Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08] • 5F Quest Award Leveller.esp [Version 2.0.1] • ++ Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp [Version 2.1.0] • ++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp [Version 2.1.0] • ++ Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp [Version 2.1.0] • 60 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90] • 61 SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86] • ++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.80] • ++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89] • ++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89] • ++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86] • 62 SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80] • ++ SM_VanillaSpells.esp [Version 0.86] • ++ SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70] • ++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84] • ++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83] • 63 MidasSpells.esp • 64 Midas OscuroGems.esp • ++ Midas Betterholy.esp • ++ Midas Reduced Costs Half.esp • ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp • ++ Midas PowDur2x.esp • ++ Midas Eldrich Power 4x.esp • ++ Midas Tigernolevel OBSE.esp • 65 Midas BeastFortify Fix OBSE.esp • 66 Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp • 67 DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp • ++ SM_DeadlyReflex.esp [Version 0.86] • 68 Oblivion XP.esp [Version 4.1.5] • ++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76] • ++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp [Version 0.76] • ++ Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp [Version 0.76] • ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.7b1] • 69 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52] • ++ Cobl Races - Balanced.esp [Version 1.52] • 6A Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp • 6B Better Cities Full.esp • 6C BCBravilFULL-Barrowfields patch.esp • 6D Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp • 6E BCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.esp • 6F BCCheydinhalFULL-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp • 70 BCSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.esp • 71 Better Imperial City.esp • 72 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2] • 73 UnnecessaryViolence.esp • ++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53] • 74 Bashed Patch, 0.esp I've tried disabling things in the order I installed them, but I haven't found anything yet and it's taking forever. Now, I did back it up partway through reinstalling everything (after FCOM and Cobl, I believe), and that does work.Here's the load order for the working version: Active Mod Files:• 00 Oblivion.esm • 01 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm • 02 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm • 03 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72] • 04 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34] • 05 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b1] • 06 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7] • • • Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53] • • • Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53] • 07 DLCShiveringIsles.esp • 08 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp • 09 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp • 0A Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp • 0B Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp • ++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9] • ++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 0C FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 0D Fran Armor Add-on.esp • 0E Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp • ++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76] • 0F DLCHorseArmor.esp • 10 DLCOrrery.esp • 11 DLCVileLair.esp • 12 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp • 13 DLCSpellTomes.esp • 14 DLCThievesDen.esp • 15 ExnemRuneskulls.esp • ++ FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 16 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72] • 17 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63] • ++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44] • 18 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp • 19 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 1A Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp • ++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9] • • • Oblivion WarCry.esp [Version 1.085a] • 1B Oblivion WarCry EV.esp • 1C FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 1D Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34] • ++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33] • • • OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72] • ++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 1E FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 1F FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 20 Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp [Version 3.7b1] • 21 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b1] • 22 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b1] • ++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69] • 23 DLCfrostcrag.esp • 24 Knights.esp • ++ FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp [Version 0.9.9] • 25 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] • ++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0] • ++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0] • 26 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0] • 27 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08] • ++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76] • ++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp [Version 0.76] • ++ Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp [Version 0.76] • ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.7b1] • 28 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52] • ++ Cobl Races - Balanced.esp [Version 1.52] • ++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53] • 29 Bashed Patch, 0.esp I'm really at a loss here, so any help you might be able to offer would be fantastic. 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Smooth613 Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Delete Oblivion.ini. Located in Documents\My Games\Oblivion. Nehrim heavily alters this file and you'll need to allow Oblivion to create a fresh one upon startup. Just delete or rename the current ini file and the next time you launch Oblivion a new one will be generated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooeyGungan Posted October 31, 2010 Author Share Posted October 31, 2010 Alright, I tried that. The exact same thing happens though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth613 Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 A crash this early on indicates missing masters. I understand you used that specific feature of Wrye Bash to sync your save file. But if the file is no longer present in the Data directory then even that feature will not restore it. I suggest deactivating mods, a few at a time, until the game starts. Once the game starts reactivate the mods you previously deactivated one by one until you crash. Then you'll know exactly which mod is causing the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooeyGungan Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 I loaded the exact ESP/Ms that are loaded in my working folder, and the game still crashes. I assume this means some of the data is missing/corrupted or something? And Smooth613, I didn't only use the "Load Masters" feature, I also used the "Diff Masters", and it says that the masters are the same. Also, I couldn't start a new game, so the masters in my save shouldn't have any effect, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooeyGungan Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 ...anyone? I'd really rather be able to play Oblivion than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth613 Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 All you can do if the problem is not obvious is... I suggest deactivating mods, a few at a time, until the game starts. Once the game starts reactivate the mods you previously deactivated one by one until you crash. Then you'll know exactly which mod is causing the problem. That's the only surefire way to find the cause of the crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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