NCR, Ceasar and Khans.. screw them.

[vivanto]

My memories may be rusty a bit, but what old lore are you referring to? The BoS was always a careless technobitch in both first games, just like it is now in NV and the Outcasts in Fo3. Only Lions were such a holy-people fighting the "good fight".

 

Lore aside tough, I'm glad the BoS and Enclave isn't overused, heck, almost non-existant in this game. Introducing the NCR as the most prominent faction had much greater potential for creativity, And I always liked their city in Fo2 anyways.

[csgators]

My memories may be rusty a bit, but what old lore are you referring to? The BoS was always a careless technobitch in both first games, just like it is now in NV and the Outcasts in Fo3. Only Lions were such a holy-people fighting the "good fight".

 

That's what I meant. They weren't selling the DC BoS as what you found in 1 and 2, I like what they did with it in 3. It is something that could easily happen to a group cut off for as long as they were. The only way they could keep their numbers up was to recruit outsiders and in so doing because much more concerned about the fate of the those outsiders.

 

Lore aside tough, I'm glad the BoS and Enclave isn't overused, heck, almost non-existant in this game. Introducing the NCR as the most prominent faction had much greater potential for creativity, And I always liked their city in Fo2 anyways.

 

I totally agree with this, it would have been boring to have the Enclave yet again. I'm still trying to figure the NCR out, they are not as nice as they appear. They are pushing bad drugs in Freeside, not bothering to re-take their own prison, allowing their escapes to murder and plunder the entire area, etc. I'm leaning towards the Yes Man path at this point.

[Yum Cha]

I totally agree with this, it would have been boring to have the Enclave yet again. I'm still trying to figure the NCR out, they are not as nice as they appear. They are pushing bad drugs in Freeside, not bothering to re-take their own prison, allowing their escapes to murder and plunder the entire area, etc. I'm leaning towards the Yes Man path at this point.

 

The NCR seem really stretched thin. They have all their troops clustered by the dam and the river trying to stop the Legion from getting into the west. House also does not like the NCR, and the Kings(Freeside) hate the NCR(can change dpending on story). They are like foreigners there. They have other priorities to attend to than help the citizens. They are short on men and supplies.

 

It kinda reminds me of the West from the late 1800's. It was part of the US, but kinda ignored to some extent due to the massive amount of land that had to be governed, and some people really didn't care for the government. The big people in Washington had more pressing matters to attend to than getting the west organized.

 

In the long run I think NCR is the best hope for rebuilding. Caesar is bad for obvious reassons, and hosue kinda just wants vegas and nothing else.

 

The "You" ending is complicated. We all know our character is god, and with enough stimpacks could conquer the world, but back to lore; An independent Vegas is still kinda sketchy since it depends on the actual person behind the character, and if Vegas itself is self sustainable and has enoguh securitrons to fight a 2 front war. Caesar's Legion will surely continue to attack, and I doubt the NCR will stay out(whether they will be dimplomatic/fair is another thing). If Vegas has to fight a 2 front war I'm sure it will fall. Both NCR and Legion have huge amounts of men to throw at Vegas, and I don't see any seucritron factories or any strong fighting capable people in Vegas. If NCR or Legion are smart enough they'll use pulse weapons....

[TFlok]

I wish there was a Enclave base.. just to show who's the boss! There would be Vertibird assault teams up the ass! No New Vegas.. no Ceaser.. no NCR.. nothing but the Enclave! :laugh:

 

Eh yeah I kind.. sort of.. changed my mind about Brotherhood of Steel. :confused: I realized that they still wear the old T-51b's.. while the Enclave made its major breakthrough in Power Armor technology. Those tests they made to make this badass Advanced Power Armor must have been.. plain bad.. I'm thinking of things like the power source blowing up or wearer cracking his spine while turning or.. yeah well you get the point. :laugh: But in the end.. I f***ing love Enclave's Advanced Power Armor Mark II hands down! :thumbsup: It looks more comfortable to wear than T-51b.

 

Since I like the armor they made.. I just went nuts and started killing NCR and Ceasar's people and people who just pissed me off or tried to take my weapons in casinos.. just like the good old Frank Horrigan and his men liked to do! :laugh:

 

I'm enjoying Fallout New Vegas so much! Just.. can't.. stop.. PLAYING! :wallbash: :laugh:

 

By the way.. did anyone else got about 1000 stimpacks? :unsure: I was just playing and playing.. at one moment when I used stimpacks I saw there were about 100 or so (yeah I keep collecting stuff) and the next time I used stimpacks I was like "WTF!?! 1000 stimpacks!?!" I swear I didn't use the console to put that much stimpacks in my inventory.. it must be some kind of bug or I just happened to hit a jackpot somewhere in the wasteland since I keep stealing and picking up everything. :blink:

[LobselVith66]

Err.. umm.. ever played Fallout 1? Brotherhood of Steel ARE supposed to be like that.. that's the charm they have which I like.

Fallout New Vegas developers did a good job putting in the original Brotherhood of Steel faction from Fallout 1.

Of course I did, and they're no different in Fallout 2 either. In fact, I hate that anti-lore BS they did with them in FO3. Just figured not everyone knows that, and may want to help them for the wrong cause.

How is it anti-lore? It simply builds on the old lore. It is clear when you play FO3 that they changed from the way they did things out West, that's why the Outcast existed. In this game they even mention one faction having a 'civil war'. It actually looks like Obsidian are going to do the same thing from my encounters with the BoS in NV. Seems like a lot of insiders are not happy with the way things are going.

 

I have to agree; they're so far from everyone else that Elder Lyons basically changed the directive of his group. It's made clear that Elder Lyons decision to help people was very controversial, and its the entire reason behind the schism between the members who were loyal to Lyons and those who split off to become the Outcasts, and it's why nobody back home gave him any assistance despite still recognizing him as an Elder with the Brotherhood. It's why the Outcasts think they can oust Lyons when they get in contact with the Brotherhood back home.

 

My memories may be rusty a bit, but what old lore are you referring to? The BoS was always a careless technobitch in both first games, just like it is now in NV and the Outcasts in Fo3. Only Lions were such a holy-people fighting the "good fight".

 

That's what I meant. They weren't selling the DC BoS as what you found in 1 and 2, I like what they did with it in 3. It is something that could easily happen to a group cut off for as long as they were. The only way they could keep their numbers up was to recruit outsiders and in so doing because much more concerned about the fate of the those outsiders.

 

Lore aside tough, I'm glad the BoS and Enclave isn't overused, heck, almost non-existant in this game. Introducing the NCR as the most prominent faction had much greater potential for creativity, And I always liked their city in Fo2 anyways.

 

I totally agree with this, it would have been boring to have the Enclave yet again. I'm still trying to figure the NCR out, they are not as nice as they appear. They are pushing bad drugs in Freeside, not bothering to re-take their own prison, allowing their escapes to murder and plunder the entire area, etc. I'm leaning towards the Yes Man path at this point.

 

They seem to be pushing themselves to gain control over everything. They certainly have their flaws - an inability to maintain their forces, lack of supplies, homophobia - but overall their intent is to bring law and order. There are some nice people with the NCR, but it does seem that they're spread so thin they can't handle the expansive territorty that they're trying to claim. It's certainly better than the Legion, but I think it's an issue of whether you think a strict, tax-heavy and orderly society or one that is free and independent but has no checks and balances. Personally, I pursued an independent New Vegas, but I did help the NCR against the Legion.

 

I totally agree with this, it would have been boring to have the Enclave yet again. I'm still trying to figure the NCR out, they are not as nice as they appear. They are pushing bad drugs in Freeside, not bothering to re-take their own prison, allowing their escapes to murder and plunder the entire area, etc. I'm leaning towards the Yes Man path at this point.

 

The NCR seem really stretched thin. They have all their troops clustered by the dam and the river trying to stop the Legion from getting into the west. House also does not like the NCR, and the Kings(Freeside) hate the NCR(can change dpending on story). They are like foreigners there. They have other priorities to attend to than help the citizens. They are short on men and supplies.

 

It kinda reminds me of the West from the late 1800's. It was part of the US, but kinda ignored to some extent due to the massive amount of land that had to be governed, and some people really didn't care for the government. The big people in Washington had more pressing matters to attend to than getting the west organized.

 

In the long run I think NCR is the best hope for rebuilding. Caesar is bad for obvious reassons, and hosue kinda just wants vegas and nothing else.

 

The "You" ending is complicated. We all know our character is god, and with enough stimpacks could conquer the world, but back to lore; An independent Vegas is still kinda sketchy since it depends on the actual person behind the character, and if Vegas itself is self sustainable and has enoguh securitrons to fight a 2 front war. Caesar's Legion will surely continue to attack, and I doubt the NCR will stay out(whether they will be dimplomatic/fair is another thing). If Vegas has to fight a 2 front war I'm sure it will fall. Both NCR and Legion have huge amounts of men to throw at Vegas, and I don't see any seucritron factories or any strong fighting capable people in Vegas. If NCR or Legion are smart enough they'll use pulse weapons....

 

I'd agree that it's complicated (especially with Yes Man's comment at the end, that makes me very wary), and New Vegas is more chaotic when it's independent, but under NCR rule, people endure hardship, too; the NCR taxes people heavily and forces them to leave their homes because they can't afford to survive under the NCR. It's made clear that's how it is under NCR rule in other parts of the U.S., too. I applaud the decision to keep out any "happy" ending; they're all flawed and really make you think about what kind of future you want to shape for New Vegas and the surrounding territory.