Missing building parts and random hills.

[tonkrogerio]

I have had some random problems with land rising and some missing building parts, was wondering if anyone could help.

 

the link bellow will show you what i mean in depth.

 

http://s324.photobucket.com/albums/k334/TonkRogerio/MOTO/

 

The new door in bravil BC is missing the bottom part as you can see, and there is a hill under the "the lost spires" building that creates problems :( i don't have UL yet and i really can't understand what the problem might be, i have tried to uninstall it by saving, quilting, uninstall, saving, etc and the hill goes away but as soon as i install it, it comes back straight away. Did i do something wrong? or is there a conflict that i am not aware off? anywho, here is my load order.

 

00 Oblivion.esm

01 Cybiades.esm [Version 2.0]

02 Jog_X_Mod.esm

03 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.0]

04 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 4.5bSI]

05 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 4.5bSI]

06 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]

07 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]

08 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]

09 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm

0A TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]

0B FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]

0C Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]

0D Artifacts.esm [Version 1.1]

0E Kvatch Rebuilt.esm

0F Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 4.7.1]

10 AFC v2 Core.esm

11 HorseCombatMaster.esm

** TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp

** TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp

12 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.1]

13 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

14 DLCShiveringIsles.esp

15 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]

16 Better Cities .esp

17 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp

18 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp

19 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp

1A Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp

1B Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp

++ Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp

++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]

1C FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]

1D Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp

1E All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.0]

1F All Natural.esp [Version 1.0]

20 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.0]

21 Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp

22 Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp

23 Storms & Sound.esp

24 Rainbows.esp

25 AFC v2 Combat Moves.esp

26 AFC v2 Locational Damage.esp

27 ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp

28 ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp

29 CT-Com's Torch Compendium.esp

++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76]

2A FF_Real_Thirst.esp

2B DLCHorseArmor.esp

2C DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

2D DLCOrrery.esp

2E DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]

2F DLCVileLair.esp

30 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

31 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

32 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]

33 DLCSpellTomes.esp

++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]

++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp

++ EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp

++ ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp

34 Hiyoko_Store.esp

35 PTArtifacts.esp

36 Thieves Arsenal.esp

** Armamentium female.esp

37 DLCThievesDen.esp

38 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

39 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]

3A Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp

3B Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]

3C Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]

3D FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp

3E OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]

3F Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp

40 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]

41 Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp

++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]

42 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp [Version 1.08a]

43 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]

44 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]

++ OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0]

++ OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0]

++ ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp [Version 1.35]

45 ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.35]

46 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]

47 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]

48 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]

49 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

4A Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

4B Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

4C Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

4D Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

4E Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

4F Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

50 TamrielTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]

++ Travellers4MMMHostileFactions.esp [Version 1.39c]

51 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]

52 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]

++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]

++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]

++ ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]

++ Fransfemale.esp

++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]

++ EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp

++ EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp

++ EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp

53 Halcyon Island_lowconflict.esp

54 Artifacts.esp [Version 1.1]

++ Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 1.0]

55 BrotherhoodRenewed.esp [Version 1.0.7]

56 ICEXPAND.esp

57 JolardHome.esp [Version 4.7.0]

58 JQ-AssassinQuest.esp

59 JQ-Streams_Of_Silver.esp

5A Kvatch Rebuilt.esp

++ Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp

5B Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp

5C OldCrowInn.esp [Version 1.5]

5D LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]

5E Slof's Oblivion Goth Shop.esp

5F thievery.esp

60 Valley_View_Estate.esp

61 1SB_VampireHaven.esp

62 VaultsofCyrodiil.esp

63 VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp

64 VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.4]

65 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

66 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]

67 DLCFrostcrag.esp

68 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]

69 Knights.esp

6A Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]

++ EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp

6B Cybiades.esp [Version 2.1]

6C CybiadesDungeon.esp [Version 2.1]

++ cybCrashFix.esp

6D Damarask.esp [Version 1.02]

6E TOTF.esp

6F RTT.esp

70 Mighty Umbra.esp

71 Blood&Mud.esp

++ FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9]

72 FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]

++ FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9]

73 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp

++ FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp [Version 0.9.9]

74 ElsweyrAnequina.esp

75 bartholm.esp

76 Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp

77 Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp

78 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]

79 GalerionTrueUnarmored-v20.esp

7A Werewolf-Legends.esp

7B Quest Award Leveling.esp

7C RealisticFatigue.esp

7D RealisticHealth.esp

7E RealSleepExtended.esp [Version 2.4.2]

7F MidasSpells.esp

80 RshAlchemy.esp

81 SM Combat Hide.esp [Version 1.2]

82 StealthOverhaul.esp

83 ZumbsLockpickingMod - OBSE.esp

84 SM Bounty.esp [Version 1.22c]

++ CoblDeathFix.esp [Version 1.20]

85 RealisticLeveling.esp

++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

86 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]

87 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]

++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]

++ bgMagicItemSigil.esp [Version 1.68EV]

++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]

88 bgMagicAlchemy.esp [Version 1.57]

89 bgBalancingOptionalLessHealth.esp [Version 10.0UV-U]

++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]

++ bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp [Version 10]

** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]

++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]

** bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp [Version 9.0EV-D]

8A bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 0.993]

8B DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp

8C Display Stats.esp [Version 1.2.2]

8D SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90]

8E SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]

++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.80]

++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]

++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]

++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86]

8F SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80]

++ SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70]

++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]

++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83]

++ bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp [Version 1.5]

++ Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp

90 Better Cities - Werewolf-Legends.esp [Version 4.7.0]

91 Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp [Version 4.7.0]

92 Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp [Version 4.7.0]

93 Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp [Version 4.7.0]

94 Better Cities - Thievery.esp [Version 4.7.0]

95 Better Cities - Valley View Estate.esp [Version 4.7.0]

96 Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp [Version 4.7.0]

97 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp [Version 4.7.0]

98 Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]

99 Better Imperial City.esp [Version 4.7.0]

9A Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.7.0]

9B Better Cities - Old Crow Inn.esp [Version 4.7.0]

9C Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2.1]

** bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.7EV]

++ bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp [Version 1.68]

9D Real Hunger, Cobl.esp [Version 1.6.1]

++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]

** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.0]

9E The Lost Spires.esp

9F Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp

A0 DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp

++ SM_DeadlyReflex.esp [Version 0.86]

A1 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

A2 Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.2]

 

Thanks for the time guys, hope you can help.

[David Brasher]

It sounds like you are saying that everything is fine until you install Bravil BC. And when you remove Bravil BC the problems go away. So the problem is in one of two locations:

(1) Bravil BC

(2) A mod conflicting with Bravil BC.

 

The Better Cities mods are very popular and have probably been well debugged, so your problem it is most likely a conflict with it. You might try using the OBMM Old Conflict Detector to get some clues on what mods to suspect of conflicting with Bravil BC.

 

Otherwise, you might try keeping the BC mod on, but systematically deactivating large groups of mods and testing to see when the problem goes away. When you find the bad mod group, you can narrow it down further by activating and deactivating smaller groups of mods within it to isolate the one problem mod.

 

Not simple answers to follow up on, but there are so many mods in existence that perhaps nobody will be able to glance at your mod list and know the answer.

[tonkrogerio]

well, the bravil missing mesh is nothing compared to the lost spires hill that appears when ever the mod is active, that one is defo worst because it completely deforms the guild building a you can see in the pictures.

 

It has to be the lost spires pluggin that creates the hill when creating the guild building because there is nothing there before the plugin is active. But if that is the case then why is it doing that? baffling -.-

[Smooth613]

According to the Better Cities Thread Lost Spires is 100% compatible with BC. Scroll down to the Compatibility section to verify for yourself. According to your LO you are not using the compatibility patch provided for the two, Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp. According to the BOSS Masterlist, you have The Lost Spires.esp in the wrong location. It should be loading before any and all Better Cities ESPs.

 

Using the compatibility patches provided to you and properly sorting your LO will likely solve your issues.

 

All the patches are in the folders starting with 30, 31, 32 & 33 . Use them in addition to the original mod's ESP which they are patching.

The Load order for the Patches is:

- Mod to Patch

- Better Cities City

- Patches

 

Documentation, it's your friend.

[schijnn]

The first four pictures you posted are of the Archaeology Guild from Lost Spires. It's supposed to look that way. One of the NPCs inside even comments about it. The other pictures are definitely errors, though.

[tonkrogerio]

Smooth613: well i had the boss sort it out for me but i changed the load order to see if the problem went away for slots spires, also i didn't use the BC lost spires pluggin because it says "Compatibility patch for The Lost Spires and Better Cities if you want to use the Open Cities version.Not needed if you use only the regular city version."

so i assumed it was only to be used with open better cities :S but i did have it turned on when the problem first occurred, then i turned it off so i have tried all mixtures of both of your suggestions before posting.

 

 

schijnn: i thought that it might be like that, the thing that put me off was when i saw pic 2 "hill 3" the guild was slightly elevated and i could see underneath the building making it look like a glitch instead of artistic licensing :S if you are telling me that you can also see under the building to the right hand side of the entrance then i will just assume that they still need to sort that out and i will be relieved to know that it isn't a problem caused by me :P.

[Smooth613]

In that case, the only other thing would be, as David Brasher mentioned, another mod conflicting in that area. Disabling mods until you find the culprit is pretty much the only course of action.

[ScreminMemes]

In that case, the only other thing would be, as David Brasher mentioned, another mod conflicting in that area. Disabling mods until you find the culprit is pretty much the only course of action.

 

I would agree with this. Even non-mods tend to interfere with mods sometimes. I had SI set to load up with my mod below it on the list (as I was using some of the SI resources) and what I got was a weird combination of my land mixed with SI land popping up all over the place (especially the LOD land from SI) as well as random trees from SI growing out of my buildings. Disabled SI and all was kosher (except for the normal bugs I get with LOD land in my mod - but that's a different topic.) I would say there is probably two mods running that effect the same spot of land, thus it is trying to load resources from both. My 2 copper...

[tonkrogerio]

i also though about that but the only problem is, when i uninstall the lost spires the hill is gone and the land looks as it should, there are no buildings there from alternate mods or anything like that so it doesn't make sense :S i guess that what schijnn posted is probably true, the building is supposed to look like that and i am guessing that they just haven't fixed the building properly or something :S

 

as for the bravil gate glitch, it looks like switching my PC, going to sleep, waking up and restarting my PC has fixed this issue o_O