Saving the Brotherhood

[Garak84]

Can anyone make a mod allowing you to avoid destroying the Brotherhood of Steel as part of The House Always Wins, V? I find it incredibly frustrating that after helping out the Brotherhood and becoming a member, I don't even have the option of trying to lie to Mr. House to get out of blowing them up, epecially since that's exactly what my character would do.

[Garak84]

Bump?

[Draco856]

I would like to save them as well, maybe even have a way to convince them that their current course isn't the right one, that they need to begin recruiting new members and finding more then just weapons tech.

[DuWMinh]

just betray house and you'll be fine xD

(thats what i did xD, helping him: ok, destroying the BoS: no go)

[HaikenEdge]

Killed House anyways. Never liked his attitude.

[Draco856]

Well, yeah, I killed House as well, was planning to from the moment I found Yes Man, I don't like being lied to and not being given all the information needed to do a job. Full Disclosure leads to better performance, because you'd be better prepared for what may happen. By not telling the Courier how important the Chip was, we think it's just another job, when it was a job that would have gone better if it was more informative. I do however agree somewhat with House, if left to their own devices, the people of the wasteland would continue a spiral of destruction that would eventually wipe them out. And the recycling of old ideas is not a good idea to begin with, because if the current state of affairs is any indication, those old ideas, didn't exactly work.

[Garak84]

I really don't want to kill him, though. If I wanted to do that, I wouldn't be looking for a mod. That was kind of the point of the request.

[HaikenEdge]

Well, yeah, I killed House as well, was planning to from the moment I found Yes Man, I don't like being lied to and not being given all the information needed to do a job. Full Disclosure leads to better performance, because you'd be better prepared for what may happen. By not telling the Courier how important the Chip was, we think it's just another job, when it was a job that would have gone better if it was more informative. I do however agree somewhat with House, if left to their own devices, the people of the wasteland would continue a spiral of destruction that would eventually wipe them out. And the recycling of old ideas is not a good idea to begin with, because if the current state of affairs is any indication, those old ideas, didn't exactly work.

In reality, tho, how is House doing anything new? He's made himself a dictatorial despot, and, as history has show, it eventually leads to social unrest and bloodshed.

 

That said, I agree it annoys me that there's no choice to get the Brotherhood to side with House. In a sense, it makes sense because House wants total control of the Nevada region and sees the BoS as a threat to his control, hence his orders to wipe them out, but that shouldn't prevent the player from telling the Brotherhood to vacate to another region, particularly if the player has already gotten in good with them.

[Garak84]

Well, yeah, I killed House as well, was planning to from the moment I found Yes Man, I don't like being lied to and not being given all the information needed to do a job. Full Disclosure leads to better performance, because you'd be better prepared for what may happen. By not telling the Courier how important the Chip was, we think it's just another job, when it was a job that would have gone better if it was more informative. I do however agree somewhat with House, if left to their own devices, the people of the wasteland would continue a spiral of destruction that would eventually wipe them out. And the recycling of old ideas is not a good idea to begin with, because if the current state of affairs is any indication, those old ideas, didn't exactly work.

In reality, tho, how is House doing anything new? He's made himself a dictatorial despot, and, as history has show, it eventually leads to social unrest and bloodshed.

 

That said, I agree it annoys me that there's no choice to get the Brotherhood to side with House. In a sense, it makes sense because House wants total control of the Nevada region and sees the BoS as a threat to his control, hence his orders to wipe them out, but that shouldn't prevent the player from telling the Brotherhood to vacate to another region, particularly if the player has already gotten in good with them.

 

I'd be happy with something as simple as "<Lie> Yes, I blew them up.", so I can continue the game. I'm still on my first playthrough and I've stalled because I want to do Mr. House's storyline, but I can't bring myself to kill the BoS. Alternately, how/can I use the console to cheat past the quest? Everything I've tried gives me credit for completing it, but doesn't register with House, so I can't get the next quest.

[HaikenEdge]

Well, yeah, I killed House as well, was planning to from the moment I found Yes Man, I don't like being lied to and not being given all the information needed to do a job. Full Disclosure leads to better performance, because you'd be better prepared for what may happen. By not telling the Courier how important the Chip was, we think it's just another job, when it was a job that would have gone better if it was more informative. I do however agree somewhat with House, if left to their own devices, the people of the wasteland would continue a spiral of destruction that would eventually wipe them out. And the recycling of old ideas is not a good idea to begin with, because if the current state of affairs is any indication, those old ideas, didn't exactly work.

In reality, tho, how is House doing anything new? He's made himself a dictatorial despot, and, as history has show, it eventually leads to social unrest and bloodshed.

 

That said, I agree it annoys me that there's no choice to get the Brotherhood to side with House. In a sense, it makes sense because House wants total control of the Nevada region and sees the BoS as a threat to his control, hence his orders to wipe them out, but that shouldn't prevent the player from telling the Brotherhood to vacate to another region, particularly if the player has already gotten in good with them.

 

I'd be happy with something as simple as "<Lie> Yes, I blew them up.", so I can continue the game. I'm still on my first playthrough and I've stalled because I want to do Mr. House's storyline, but I can't bring myself to kill the BoS. Alternately, how/can I use the console to cheat past the quest? Everything I've tried gives me credit for completing it, but doesn't register with House, so I can't get the next quest.

He'd be able to test the lie by sending his robots to Hidden Valley to see if they still get wiped out by BoS patrols, though. Any ability to save the BoS has to include them either moving elsewhere, or being persuaded to avoid contact with House's henchmen.