Ranger Ghost Companion

[blaze1514]

I have found in my short time of being on here, that if you want it done (and cannot at the moment do it yourself) then talk about it. Narrow down the aspects that could make people confused on what is wanted and make compromises on disputed issues.

 

So I am going to talk about it more.......

 

The dialogue that is quoted in my post up a few is perfect. I would make her more of a tease but that is just me. I think we can have her criticizing the current NCR stalemate more though.

- You go to areas where the NCR is mucking up because of the wait and see attitude, "More glorious handy work of the wait and see brass"

- Near Outpost Charly (before the massacre) "This place is isn't very secure. Almost asking to be wiped out"

- Have some dialogue with Boon, "You serving during the Bitter Springs Incident right";"Yeah" "Want to talk about it";"Not Realy"

- Somewhere women are being subjected "P*ssies letting people walk all over them like that"

- Comments on Corporal Betsy "I do not wish that on any girl. NCR or Legion"

 

If she is going to be a companion she should have some custom armor, maybe a brown or tan version of the ranger patrol armor with the words silent or ghost scribbled on it somewhere.

For weapons, A cowboy repeater with a black steel (very dark steel) chamber and a Ebony (dark wood) finish. Or a darkly stained mahogany Hunting rifle. (would go with the first one as she has a cowboy Repeater already) Then a custom knife shaped to fit in the holster on patrol armor (or if that is too hard a standard combat knife), It should have Silent but Deadly engraved in it.

[devinpatterson]

If she is going to be a companion she should have some custom armor, maybe a brown or tan version of the ranger patrol armor with the words silent or ghost scribbled on it somewhere.

I personally like the patrol armor, but I think a modified version of the ranger vet armor (geonox's) would also be a very viable candidate. You can wear some jackets and other items over it, wear a modified duster or have the bottom of another outfit, all resulting in a more personalized look. Here is a subtle model I did with Cass that uses the desert ranger breastplate and Cass's jeans;

 

 

 

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/devinlpatterson/FONV%20Mods-works%20in%20progress/cassdesertarmor_zpsd145c553.jpg

 

 

 

Something like that could be done with ghost and her ranger vest outfit (with or without duster).

 

Here are some examples of jackets and the LAPD & patrol armor;

 

 

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/devinlpatterson/LeatherJacketArmor_zpsaaab8190.jpg

 

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/devinlpatterson/cassJacket_zps550aae8c.jpg

 

 

 

I think those "lighter" (lighter in teh sense of just the breastplate) may fit Ghost's style more than a full suit of patrol armor.

 

For weapons, A cowboy repeater with a black steel (very dark steel) chamber and a Ebony (dark wood) finish. Or a darkly stained mahogany Hunting rifle. (would go with the first one as she has a cowboy Repeater already) Then a custom knife shaped to fit in the holster on patrol armor (or if that is too hard a standard combat knife), It should have Silent but Deadly engraved in it.

We're probably better off adding some weapon into her companion quest than trying to retrofit her with a weapon that she's never used til now. In addition she may prefer a actual sniper rifle to a cowboy repeater. The repeater might just be more a weapon of necessity (what was available from the sgt at arms) as opposed to her first choice. But that's just a guess.

[blaze1514]

 

If she is going to be a companion she should have some custom armor, maybe a brown or tan version of the ranger patrol armor with the words silent or ghost scribbled on it somewhere.

I personally like the patrol armor, but I think a modified version of the ranger vet armor (geonox's) would also be a very viable candidate. You can wear some jackets and other items over it, wear a modified duster or have the bottom of another outfit, all resulting in a more personalized look. Here is a subtle model I did with Cass that uses the desert ranger breastplate and Cass's jeans;

 

 

 

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/devinlpatterson/FONV%20Mods-works%20in%20progress/cassdesertarmor_zpsd145c553.jpg

 

 

 

Something like that could be done with ghost and her ranger vest outfit (with or without duster).

 

Here are some examples of jackets and the LAPD & patrol armor;

 

 

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/devinlpatterson/LeatherJacketArmor_zpsaaab8190.jpg

 

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/devinlpatterson/cassJacket_zps550aae8c.jpg

 

 

 

I think those "lighter" (lighter in teh sense of just the breastplate) may fit Ghost's style more than a full suit of patrol armor.

 

For weapons, A cowboy repeater with a black steel (very dark steel) chamber and a Ebony (dark wood) finish. Or a darkly stained mahogany Hunting rifle. (would go with the first one as she has a cowboy Repeater already) Then a custom knife shaped to fit in the holster on patrol armor (or if that is too hard a standard combat knife), It should have Silent but Deadly engraved in it.

We're probably better off adding some weapon into her companion quest than trying to retrofit her with a weapon that she's never used til now. In addition she may prefer a actual sniper rifle to a cowboy repeater. The repeater might just be more a weapon of necessity (what was available from the sgt at arms) as opposed to her first choice. But that's just a guess.

 

She is not a veteran ranger. There is no way she would have custom Ranger Combat armor. She could definitely have a custom set of patrol armor. However I feel that the second pic, If we substituted a vest/jacket that looks like the one on her by default....... I wouldn't object.

No matter what armor we do she should always have the red neckerchief

we could do a modified version of her default clothing, and just add the shoulder pads from the patrol armor and the wrist plating from the veteran armor.

 

 

 

As for the gun.... I think having her with a sniper rifle wouldn't be correct either, She is a ranger not a First Recon Operative. However, this was on the wiki;

"Despite being designated as a sniper, she doesn't have the equipment (like a sniper rifle) for it, but only a cowboy repeater.".

That leads me to believe that she choose her weapon. Maybe she finds Sniper rifles too overbearing. I say how about a Cowboy Repeater or a Battle Rifle that has a mid-long ranged scope? The gun also has a custom color like I suggested above.

Edited June 30, 2014 by blaze1514

[devinpatterson]

She is not a veteran ranger. There is no way she would have custom Ranger Combat armor. She could definitely have a custom set of patrol armor.

Gotta love such dogmatic, restricted linear thinking......as if only a veteran ranger could possibly don the LAPD armor, even though NCR has stock and ghost isn't exactly a lowly recruit. Relax. I have some ideas with the combat armor breastplate that I think will do her justice.

 

However I feel that the second pic, If we substituted a vest/jacket that looks like the one on her by default....... I wouldn't object.

That's a relief, I wouldn't want you veto'ing the whole project and all. But in all seriousness, this isn't my first rodeo and part of the reason I made the suggestions in the post above are due to teh models (and partly due to aesthetic concerns). More below

 

No matter what armor we do she should always have the red neckerchief

we could do a modified version of her default clothing, and just add the shoulder pads from the patrol armor and the wrist plating from the veteran armor.

The bracers from the ranger vet armor do lend themselves well to being separated from the duster sleeves. Maybe it's just me, and my aesthetic sensibilities, but that isn't a great match with the patrol shoulder pads.

 

As for the gun.... I think having her with a sniper rifle wouldn't be correct either, She is a ranger not a First Recon Operative.

Despite being labeled "ranger sniper guard" or "Ranger Ghost is an albino[2] sniper stationed at the Mojave Outpost"? Well no big deal, there's a better compromise available that is more viable than a cowboy repeater and more flexible than a sniper rifle. The trail carbine has a weapon mod for a medium scope, 50% more damage and fits her strength requirement.

 

That leads me to believe that she choose her weapon. Maybe she finds Sniper rifles too overbearing. I say how about a Cowboy Repeater or a Battle Rifle that has a mid-long ranged scope? The gun also has a custom color like I suggested above.

Were'nt you making the argument on teh independent new vegas page that the NCR has piss poor equipment? And you believe the coboy repeater is Ghost's hearts desire?There may have been more to do with availability than the cowboy repeater being the perfect rifle for her.

 

Whatever weapon is used, it's probably better to find it on her companion quest. It would make more sense, considering she's never shown a personalized weapon before. And unlike armor, which might be eschewed for comfort, I think it's unlikely she'd have a custom firearm in storage while on duty.

[blaze1514]

Gotta love such dogmatic, restricted linear thinking......as if only a veteran ranger could possibly don the LAPD armor, even though NCR has stock and ghost isn't exactly a lowly recruit. Relax. I have some ideas with the combat armor breastplate that I think will do her justice.

I just feel that it would be a better accepted mod if it was as lore friendly as possible. My personal preference is me walking with a group of girls in the BabyDoll and Asuka armors, while brandishing Halo'ish rifles and magnums. If you want that side of me 's opinion I think we should Give her a Shogo 20mm sniper, and make her look like Seras Victoria

 

 

 

The bracers from the ranger vet armor do lend themselves well to being separated from the duster sleeves. Maybe it's just me, and my aesthetic sensibilities, but that isn't a great match with the patrol shoulder pads.

 

I know what you are saying, I had a mod that had the shoulderpads separate, the green didn't lend well with anything. I couldnt find anything that would fit with it, but It might be better if they were recolored and then added with the bracers

 

 

 

Despite being labeled "ranger sniper guard" or "Ranger Ghost is an albino[2] sniper stationed at the Mojave Outpost"? Well no big deal, there's a better compromise available that is more viable than a cowboy repeater and more flexible than a sniper rifle. The trail carbine has a weapon mod for a medium scope, 50% more damage and fits her strength requirement.

I was going to go for the TC but I went with BR instead. Either way would be fine. I think as long as it has a unique "flare" of some kind I do not care.

 

 

 

Were'nt you making the argument on teh independent new vegas page that the NCR has piss poor equipment? And you believe the coboy repeater is Ghost's hearts desire?There may have been more to do with availability than the cowboy repeater being the perfect rifle for her.

Yes I was and yes that is possible. The fact is however we will not know why as there is no cannon explanation to "Why does ghost use a CR". It could be she is comfortable with it, could be she just wishes for a Anti-Material Rifle or Missile Launcher to make her job easier, we will never know.

 

 

 

Whatever weapon is used, it's probably better to find it on her companion quest. It would make more sense, considering she's never shown a personalized weapon before. And unlike armor, which might be eschewed for comfort, I think it's unlikely she'd have a custom firearm in storage while on duty.

I have been thinking along the lines of an Improved Sunny Smiles Companion type of mod. It just gives her better things and makes gives her the follower ability and dialogue (although it is arguable that Ghost Town Gunfight is Sunny's character ques). I figured that there wasn't going to be a quest attached as that is more work for the mod maker. If we are doing a quest we should think about that, then form the armor and weapon from the backstory of the story. Forming the guns and weapons first, then making a story to fit is not the way to do it.

Edited June 30, 2014 by blaze1514

[devinpatterson]

I just feel that it would be a better accepted mod if it was as lore friendly as possible.

 

I wouldn't sweat it, a real (game) world asset of her faction is pretty lore friendly.

 

My personal preference is me walking with a group of girls in the BabyDoll and Asuka armors, while brandishing Halo'ish rifles and magnums. If you want that side of me 's opinion I think we should Give her a Shogo 20mm sniper, and make her look like Seras Victoria

 

Each to their own, but there is a world of difference between using an existing gameworld faction asset and something from a whole different universe. Apples 2 oranges. I'd suggest relaxing, at least until you get a look at the prototype(s) armor. You might like it. I'll be going off of the pic of cass in point lookout (but probably without a duster)

 

 

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/devinlpatterson/FONV%20Mods-works%20in%20progress/cassdesertarmor_zpsd145c553.jpg

 

 

It was a pretty popular mod, relatively easy to do and allows mixing a lot of the red scarf outfit for both the lower and upper body.

 

I know what you are saying, I had a mod that had the shoulderpads separate, the green didn't lend well with anything. I couldnt find anything that would fit with it, but It might be better if they were recolored and then added with the bracers

Nothing to do with the color, it's related to the mesh itself. In addition as I mentioned in my previous post they don't lend themselves well to being separated from the duster sleeves (not separate vertex groups, require new faces with accompanying new textures etc).

 

I was going to go for the TC but I went with BR instead. Either way would be fine. I think as long as it has a unique "flare" of some kind I do not care.

 

Well the only official BR is the Battle rifle (GRA) which has no scope and a spread of .55 compared to teh trail carbine's of .06. Your assertion that she is "She is a ranger not a First Recon Operative" somehow implying it disqualifies her or diminishes her from being a sniper is odd in light of her being labeled as such, the dialog written for her in this mod and using the terminology in game;

 

Courier: "Why don't you go check it out?"

Ghost: "Got my post. Don't think I wouldn't go, too - if trouble's hit Nipton, town's got enough camping spots to rack up some easy kills."

 

 

Were'nt you making the argument on teh independent new vegas page that the NCR has piss poor equipment? And you believe the coboy repeater is Ghost's hearts desire?There may have been more to do with availability than the cowboy repeater being the perfect rifle for her.

Yes I was and yes that is possible. The fact is however we will not know why as there is no cannon explanation to "Why does ghost use a CR". It could be she is comfortable with it, could be she just wishes for a Anti-Material Rifle or Missile Launcher to make her job easier, we will never know.

 

And what you have there is slippery slope fallacy. Because we don't know with 100% accuracy the reason she has a CR we can't determine a more or less likely scenario. It's pretty easy to put the pieces together. If she's a sniper a scope is useful, a missile launcher typically isn't classified as a snipers default weapon and a AM rifle is well above her str and skill. So it's not rocket surgery, just some simple deduction.

 

 

I have been thinking along the lines of an Improved Sunny Smiles Companion type of mod. It just gives her better things and makes gives her the follower ability and dialogue (although it is arguable that Ghost Town Gunfight is Sunny's character ques). I figured that there wasn't going to be a quest attached as that is more work for the mod maker.

Either is viable, but obviously one allows her to evolve in front of the player while the other is a sort of reset.

 

If we are doing a quest we should think about that, then form the armor and weapon from the backstory of the story. Forming the guns and weapons first, then making a story to fit is not the way to do it.

Nope, not sure why your trying to make a straw-man argument. I never stated that or implied it in any way, shape or form. I have no idea where you got the idea I wanted to build a quest around her equipment. Her quest much like the other companions should focus on aspects of her personality and or past that provide insight into who she is.....the "why" of ghost.

[blaze1514]

To tell you the truth, I do not want another stealthy sniper companion. We have so many already. I might be bias on that sorry. For the weapon anything that has slightly different looks and stats is fine.

Oh...... Have we got anyone to Autotune new files or replace the voice yet?

 

 

 

 

As for relaxing for a middle ground... I will try, but if I cannot then I will still lean towards being Lore/cannon friendly and not as outlandish (Like TSC, That mod has Lore but is very... hard to see actually happening. It is enjoyable though). I do not want to stretch as far as I do for the EDM radio mod.

 

As for deduction, I take what the game gives me with a grain of salt. The whole Cowboy Repeater could just be dev oversight or because they didn't want the player to be able to get a high level sniper early in the game. Just because she low strength and high sneak doesn't mean we should keep it like that. Bassicaly if I was living in the universe of FNV what would I think she would be like and have possession of. That is how I think on these things

Oh and we are giving her a custom weapon right? That could be a lighter AMR that does slightly less damage (or is light because the barrel is cut short, so more DAM less accurate) So do not write off the AMRifle just yet.

 

 

As for the story, I figured that since you wanted to give these out on a character quest, that they would be affected by the quest.

(example, her father was a vet ranger, so she has his old armor. The gun belonged to her her father who found it in mint condition off of a Enclave elite he killed, so it would have a E symbol or have some patriotic saying scribbled into it. You find these things as you and her deal with her past in some way)

Thats what I meant by the story molding the items. I figured you had a similar idea. It is harder to make the weapons and make a backstory surrounding them than it is the other way (not impossible, just harder).

I never liked the way that Boone or Raul would magically be dawned with the items at the end of their quests. I like when my companions find their things (have them triggered to be equipped at certain areas or parts of a quest).

If I had the wrong idea I am sorry.

[devinpatterson]

To tell you the truth, I do not want another stealthy sniper companion. We have so many already. I might be bias on that sorry.

That is her character. Her tag skills are gun, sneak and unarmed; she has various lines to emphasize it ("Hnh - didn't even hear you come up the ramp. {Beat} You don't broadcast your movements. I like that.") in the game. Changing that dilutes her persona and what we're trying to do is expand her story while staying as close to the characters essence as possible.

 

I mean don't be sorry, but try to understand the purpose behind it is to stay as true to the ghost character (and if possible even amplify it) as possible to make an accurate simulation.

 

Oh...... Have we got anyone to Autotune new files or replace the voice yet?

 

None that I'm aware of, havn't seen anything posted.

 

As for relaxing for a middle ground... I will try, but if I cannot then I will still lean towards being Lore/cannon friendly and not as outlandish (Like TSC, That mod has Lore but is very... hard to see actually happening. It is enjoyable though). I do not want to stretch as far as I do for the EDM radio mod.

 

Outlandish, because she would wear a ranger combat armor vest? I mean that's what you were complaining about in previous posts, but I'm really not sure how that compares to the "Terran Starship Command". Are you trying to imply that a non vetern ranger wearing ranger combat armor is as lore breaking as a story line featuring a starship? If so I think your a little off base on that one.

 

As for deduction, I take what the game gives me with a grain of salt.

 

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Just because she low strength and high sneak doesn't mean we should keep it like that. Bassicaly if I was living in the universe of FNV what would I think she would be like and have possession of. That is how I think on these things

 

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Oh and we are giving her a custom weapon right? That could be a lighter AMR that does slightly less damage (or is light because the barrel is cut short, so more DAM less accurate) So do not write off the AMRifle just yet.

 

I'm trying to follow your thought process, but your all over the map. You have serious reservations about her using ranger combat armor but suggest changing her skill(s) and stat(s), as well as a new asset based on teh AM rifle that has a new model & lower stat requirements. You also state that you see Ghost in a highly subjective manner, "what would I think she would be like", and your fine being very flexible with teh chracter. Yet you seem strongly opposed to her having the armor, based, apparently, on it being lore breaking for you.

 

Somewhat difficult to follow those seemingly contradictory positions.

 

A note on the AM rifle. The Str requirement isn't based on weapon weight or barrel length, it's based on teh enormous kick a AM rifle has. The .50MG which is based on the .50BMG is in the neighborhood of 13+k ft-lb. Reducing the weight makes that kick *more* significant. There are some ways to reduce it in game (weapon handling perk). In the real world there are other solutions like muzzle brakes (although if I remember right the AM rifle already has one installed by default), recoil reducers in the stock, etc.

 

As for the story, I figured that since you wanted to give these out on a character quest, that they would be affected by the quest.

 

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If I had the wrong idea I am sorry.

 

Don't sweat it I was simply correcting your previous comment that misconstrued my post;

 

If we are doing a quest we should think about that, then form the armor and weapon from the backstory of the story. Forming the guns and weapons first, then making a story to fit is not the way to do it.

Anyway, needless to say I'm a bit confused about your position. However as much as I want to reply to suggestions there is a point of diminishing returns. I'll go 3 or sometimes 4 levels deep on a subject if it's simply rehashing the same info, but after that I'm just burning time (mine and anyone else looking at the thread). So while I appreciate your input I hope you'll understand (especially with each of our days being limited in time), that going over the same subject several times, means another message I can't answer or a few less minutes I can't mod.

 

While I appreciate you have strong convictions in regard to lore, they seem to be haphazard at best. In addition, while I appreciate the participation, it's simply a reality that I may use all, some, or none of your suggestions. If you can't let go of that, I can only spend a finite amount of time explaining why, then I have to move on.

 

I'm sure you'll appreciate where I'm coming from.

[blaze1514]

 

I'm trying to follow your thought process, but your all over the map. You have serious reservations about her using ranger combat armor but suggest changing her skill(s) and stat(s), as well as a new asset based on teh AM rifle that has a new model & lower stat requirements. You also state that you see Ghost in a highly subjective manner, "what would I think she would be like", and your fine being very flexible with teh chracter. Yet you seem strongly opposed to her having the armor, based, apparently, on it being lore breaking for you.

 

 

A note on the AM rifle. The Str requirement isn't based on weapon weight or barrel length, it's based on teh enormous kick a AM rifle has. The .50MG which is based on the .50BMG is in the neighborhood of 13+k ft-lb. Reducing the weight makes that kick *more* significant. There are some ways to reduce it in game (weapon handling perk). In the real world there are other solutions like muzzle brakes (although if I remember right the AM rifle already has one installed by default), recoil reducers in the stock, etc.

 

 

Anyway, needless to say I'm a bit confused about your position. However as much as I want to reply to suggestions there is a point of diminishing returns. I'll go 3 or sometimes 4 levels deep on a subject if it's simply rehashing the same info, but after that I'm just burning time (mine and anyone else looking at the thread). So while I appreciate your input I hope you'll understand (especially with each of our days being limited in time), that going over the same subject several times, means another message I can't answer or a few less minutes I can't mod.

 

While I appreciate you have strong convictions in regard to lore, they seem to be haphazard at best. In addition, while I appreciate the participation, it's simply a reality that I may use all, some, or none of your suggestions. If you can't let go of that, I can only spend a finite amount of time explaining why, then I have to move on.

 

I'm sure you'll appreciate where I'm coming from.

 

I am all over the map because I make my posts while doing other things, As you say we all have limited time. My train of thought wanders because of it sorry.

For the stats/armor thing. Its not hard for me to believe if it is explained well. I just know that the Vet Ranger armor is only issued by the NCR to 20 year veterans. She could totally have a set, it just needs to have an explanation of why. Remember my original thought was we were doing a replacer, so I was against having her armor changed to Ranger Combat armor with no real merit.

 

 

Oh I didn't realize that the AMR was high strength because of kic, that makes since now that i think about it.

 

 

3 to 4 lvl's? Do you mean story levels? What are you using as a basis for your measurement?

 

 

Yes we all have time restraints, I understand we need to move on. Just know that I post mainly to give input keep the thread going. Hopefully all of the others that were interested will start posting again and we can get those voices.

 

 

In the spirit of moving on, lets get away from the cosmetics of Ghost and talk about the Character ques. What kind of quest (fetch, breach and clear, Escort, etc...) are you thinking about?

 

Edit: Oh I have been wondering about this: You are like the third mod maker that I have seen on here that doesn't have a profile picture. Do you not have the time, or do you not like to do the whole picture thing?

 

Edit: I have posted our need for a VA on the VA thread.

Edited July 2, 2014 by blaze1514

[GoldenFenrir]

I always thought Ghost needed more love.

For a quest to get her, I would think doing the Nipton quest "Keep Your Eyes On The Prize" would be enough to recruit her. As for a companion quest after that, yeah that's something to think about.

 

As for a weapon, I think that whatever it is, it HAS to have a scope on it. I think the Battle Rifle would work. It's a subtle change because it still has the same color as the Cowboy Repeater. Whereas something like a Sniper Rifle feels more fancy advanced. The Battle Rifle with a scope would suit her more in my opinion.

 

While we're at it can we get a re-texture on her. She's a cool character buuuuuut...Well here's a picture from the Fallout Wiki.

 

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110120023931/fallout/images/6/6b/Ghost_wh.jpg