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Hi all, first time posting here but been into modding for years.

 

I have quite a full mod list including FCOM and and Kvatch Aftermath 7.8, I use OBSE 1.9 and the latest Wrye Bash and BOSS.

 

I've been having this weird problem with Kvatch, when I talk the the dude and agree to help close the gate I head towards the gate and the quest suddenly jumps to stage 50, 'I have closed the gate by removing the stone' even though I haven't even gone through the gate yet. Once the happens going into the gate is kinda crashy, works sometimes but not others.

 

Odd thing is it worked perfectly fine last time I played through this point, I've stripped back all my mods including Kvatch Aftermath to the exact point I had it last time and it still does it. The only thing that consistently stops it happening it if I launch the game without OBSE.

 

I can post my mod list if that would help, I've searched and searched and I can't find any reference to anybody else having this problem. I remember reading ages ago that the area outside Kvatch had some scripted cells, you can kind of avoid it going wrong by going around the side of the barricades but it's still kinda unstable after that point. Also once I called my horse up there and that triggered the stage jump.

 

I'm a bit confused, any help please!

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It would help to have your exact load order. Unfortunately, the author of KA no longer participates in the community-so your best bet for help is out the window. Oh, do you have Cyrodiil Upgrade Overhaul? If not, KA will fail to function properly.

 

I did not run into this problem when I did this particular mission, but when the author's private forum was still operational, there were others that did. I avoided it by not talking to Savilian, just go straight into the gate and get the stone, then talk to Savilian.

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Thanks for the quick reply, I did actually track him down but he politely decline to help me. My initial assumption was that it was KA but even after removing it and re-bashing I still have the same problem so I don't think it's that. I do also have the pre reqs for KA, The Cyrodiil Upgrade Resource Pack V2.4 and CURP Controller V2.6.

 

My full mod list to follow but I've just tried launching without OBSE as I ran up the mesa, talking to Savilian aka the dude :) going into the gate, then saving, relaunching with OSBE. Seemed to work.

 

Interesting what you said though, that other people reported this problem to him, maybe like me they just assumed it was KA causing the problem.

 

Are scripts stored in your save games? Could the problem persist even after removing the mod? I did read something Giskard said about that once but I didn't really understand what he was saying.

 

Cheers!

 

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Ok, i noticed you don't have anything merged into your bashed patch, so the first thing you'll want to do is open wrye bash, and run the mod checker. (Toward the bottom of the interface, second icon from the right). Do what it says, (Like if it says mods A,B,&C, are mergeable; mark them as mergeable) Then rebuild your patch.

Anytime you add a new mod, you should always rebuild patch, btw.

 

You might also want to look into patches for your FCOM, BC, and Fransesco mods, as G has a history with the authors of these, and has been known to deliberately put...incompatibilities in his mods.

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Oh, I just edited that bit out:

 

Mergeable

Following mods are active, but could be merged into the bashed patch.

 

• 1em_Vilja MMM Fix.esp

 

• 1em_Vilja OOO FCOM Fix.esp

 

• 1em_Vilja_as_Custom_by_Gonzoguns.esp

 

• Cobl Races - Balanced.esp

 

• FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp

 

• FCOM_Cobl.esp

 

• FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp

 

• FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp

 

• FCOM_Francescos.esp

 

• FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp

 

• FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp

 

• FCOM_Knights.esp

 

• FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp

 

• FCOM_SaferRoads.esp

 

• Francesco's Slower skills x3.esp

 

• Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp

 

• Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp

 

• Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp

 

• Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp

 

• Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp

 

• Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp

 

• Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp

 

• Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp

 

• Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp

 

• MMM-Cobl.esp

 

• OOO-Water_Weeds.esp

 

• ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp

 

• SM_COBL.esp

 

• SM_DeadlyReflex.esp

 

• SM_MMM.esp

 

• SM_OOO.esp

 

• SM_Scrolls.esp

 

• SM_SigilStone.esp

 

• SM_UnlockSpells.esp

 

• SW01.esp

 

• TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp

 

Wait, does that mean when I merge them I don't need to activate them again afterwards? Just leave them as a plus symbol?

 

Oh and I thought I knew everything :S I'd better try to read the Wrye Bash manual again. So I don't need to tick them again and I can add more mods? Woo! Thanks for the tip.

 

Yeah I think I'm just going to have to work around, I found a OMG BC compatibility patch, I saw the beef between G and FCOM, shame.

 

Thanks again for your help, I should really try not to be such a loner and come here more often.

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Yes, if the mods are mergeable, you leave them off (with the ++) after the merge, as they are now part of your patch.

*aside* If you haven't already done so, you might want to look into Better Oblivion Sorting Software-given the number of mods you have.

 

Glad to finally be able to help someone. :cheers:

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It is a big mod list and I do use the latest BOSS with the new 10,000 mod list update. The thing is it all works surprisingly well, I'm really happy with it. This is my 4th build and I've spent 100s of hours play testing not to mention all the time it took to get FCOM installed properly. I've had to leave out a few mods I really wanted because they were buggy or clashed with something else. Like TOTF and Underdark didn't go well together.

 

So although this might seem like a little bug it bugs me because everything else is working so well. Unfortunately you've just shown me how to fit even more mods in so I'll probably break it again now ;)

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