Oblivion Mod Limits?

[kirinelf]

I'm not sure if I should post this here or in the general Oblivion Tech area, but meh. Anyways, what's the max amount of mods Oblivion can run? Or was it items in the Data folder...? I'm not sure. I just uninstalled/removed a lot of mods from my Oblivion folder, so that I can install TCOM over it. Thing is, after installing nearly everything from TCOM's list (Which is a lot), then adding in a few mods of my own that seem to run fine, I'm getting CTDs randomly. Sometimes it's within minutes of play, sometimes I can play for half an hour without problems except slight lag. Sometimes I can enter the console just fine, other times it CTDs. The last CTD happened when I tried to sneak, but I was sneaking along just fine not three minutes ago. So as far as I can tell, it's completely random. Don't seem like a mod incompatibility either, although I can't actually tell.

 

This is my load order and list:

 

 

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  Jog_X_Mod.esm
02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]
03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]
04  MD_Saddle_Master.esm
05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]
07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]
08  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
09  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]
0A  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]
0B  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]
0C  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0D  Better Cities Resources.esm
0E  bookplacing.esm
0F  CLS-Craftybits.esm
10  CM Partners.esm
11  HorseCombatMaster.esm
12  Diverse Magic Effects Resource.esm
13  0 (DC)A Saints Tale Master.esm
14  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.5]
15  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
16  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
17  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
18  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
19  Better Cities .esp
1A  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
1B  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
1C  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
1D  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp
++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
1E  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
1F  Fran Armor Add-on.esp
20  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
21  FranOBSEConfig.esp  [Version 0.5]
22  Arthur_Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
23  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
24  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
25  IWR-Windows.esp
++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]
26  PrivateQuarters.esp  [Version 2.33]
++  Regrowing Nirnroot - Dissappear Reappear.esp  [Version 1.01]
27  moDem's City Life - BP Compat.esp
28  BookTrackerOBSE.esp
29  P1DmenuEscape.esp
2A  Streamline 3.1.esp
2B  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.4]
2C  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.0.2]
2D  Improved Hotkeys.esp  [Version 1.1]
2E  DLCHorseArmor.esp
2F  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
30  DLCOrrery.esp
31  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
32  DLCVileLair.esp
33  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
34  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
35  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
36  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
37  Reznod_Mannequin_HD[Eng].esp
38  SentientWeapon.esp  [Version 3]
39  TTB.esp
3A  Francesco's Mage Equipment.esp
3B  StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp
3C  Armamentium female.esp
3D  MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp
3E  DLCThievesDen.esp
3F  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
40  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
41  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]
++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
42  ExnemRuneskulls.esp
++  FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
43  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
44  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
45  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
46  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
47  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
48  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]
49  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
4A  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]
4B  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]
4C  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]
++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]
4D  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]
++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
4E  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]
4F  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  FCOM_LessRats.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
50  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
51  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
52  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
53  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
54  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
55  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  FCOM_ArcheryArmamentarium.esp  [Version 2]
++  FCOM_ArcheryRealSwords.esp  [Version 2]
56  FCOM_ArcheryHunting&Crafting.esp  [Version 1]
57  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
58  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]
++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]
59  Fransfemale.esp
5A  KnightlyArmory.esp
5B  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]
5C  allinonebasement_COBLnoCM.esp
5D  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]
++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]
5E  Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp
5F  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
60  BrotherhoodRenewed - Oblivion XP Patch.esp
61  Delivery Job - BC.esp
62  JolardHome.esp
63  JSRandomTasks.esp  [Version 1.1a]
64  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
65  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
66  OldCrowInn.esp  [Version 1.5]
67  thievery.esp
68  Valley_View_Estate.esp
69  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
6A  Whispered Warning.esp
6B  za_bankmod.esp
6C  24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp
6D  Arena_BattlesV1.2EV.esp
6E  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
6F  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
70  DLCfrostcrag.esp
71  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
72  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp
73  Knights.esp
74  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
75  TOTF.esp
++  TOTF Delayer.esp
76  RTT.esp
77  The Lost Spires.esp
78  SoT_TheOrderofNibenay.esp
79  Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp  [Version 1.4]
7A  The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp
7B  HoarfrostCastle.esp
++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
7C  FCOM_DulanCult.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
7D  BrewHouse.esp
7E  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
++  EDI - Aggression Fix.esp
7F  MTCThievesGrottoV4.1.esp
80  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.2]
++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
81  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
82  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
83  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
84  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]
85  Soulgem Magic.esp  [Version 1.0]
86  ATakesAll.esp
87  CLS-Craftybits.esp
88  quickstart.esp
89  Carry_all_you_want-5118.esp
8A  RealisticForceLow.esp
8B  Gather Ye Rosebuds.esp
8C  SNxMarkers.esp
8D  Mighty Magick - Core.esp  [Version 1.2]
8E  Mighty Magick - Magicka Pool Progression.esp  [Version 1.2]
++  Mighty Magick - Sigil Stones.esp  [Version 1.2]
8F  Mighty Magick - Restore Magicka Potions [OOO].esp  [Version 1.2]
90  SSEE-MM.esp
91  MidasSpells.esp
++  MidasSpells - MMR Patch.esp
92  attack and hide medium v2.1.esp
93  StealthOverhaul.esp
94  StealthOverhaul, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.1]
95  RenGuardOverhaul.esp
96  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block and 250% damage.esp
97  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]
++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.78]
++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
98  Beautiful People.esp
99  CM Partners.esp
9A  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
9B  CM Partners NPC.esp
9C  CM Partners More NPCs.esp
9D  CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
9E  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
9F  Adventure Pack 1.esp
A0  Lutherane.esp
A1  AddisHeadhunterMod EV.esp
A2  Adventure Pack 2.esp
A3  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
A4  Better Cities Full.esp
A5  Better Cities - Brew House.esp
A6  Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp
A7  Better Cities - Knightly Armory.esp
A8  Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp
A9  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp
AA  Better Cities - Thievery.esp
AB  Better Cities - Valley View Estate.esp
AC  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
AD  Better Imperial City.esp
AE  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
AF  Better Cities - Old Crow Inn.esp
B0  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
B1  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2]
B2  TheOubliette.esp
B3  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp
++  Improved Lava.esp
B4  GW71_Life_Detect.esp
B5  qazFingerSnap.esp
B6  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 1.0]
++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]
B7  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]
B8  BookEnhacnements.esp
B9  Spells Be Effective.esp  [Version 1.0]
BA  BDBS - Chapel Memorial.esp
BB  VipCxj_RadarSystem.esp
BC  JCN_AV Uncap.esp  [Version v1.beta1]
BD  SigilStoneSelector-SSEE-MM.esp
BE  Bashed Patch, TCOM.esp
BF  Oblivion XP.esp
C0  MiniMap.esp
C1  Fallen Equipment.esp

 

 

Right-click > Properties of my Data folder tells me I have 62,777 files inside of 4,252 folders. ...Wow. That's a hella lot. >_>

 

Any ideas?

[Shadowfen]

I'm not sure if I should post this here or in the general Oblivion Tech area, but meh. Anyways, what's the max amount of mods Oblivion can run?

255

 

Or was it items in the Data folder...?

Somewhere between 300-400 total of all .esm, .esp, and .bsa files.

 

 

I'm not sure. I just uninstalled/removed a lot of mods from my Oblivion folder, so that I can install TCOM over it. Thing is, after installing nearly everything from TCOM's list (Which is a lot), then adding in a few mods of my own that seem to run fine, I'm getting CTDs randomly. Sometimes it's within minutes of play, sometimes I can play for half an hour without problems except slight lag. Sometimes I can enter the console just fine, other times it CTDs. The last CTD happened when I tried to sneak, but I was sneaking along just fine not three minutes ago. So as far as I can tell, it's completely random. Don't seem like a mod incompatibility either, although I can't actually tell.

 

....

 

Any ideas?

Have you run BOSS to arrange your load order?

[kirinelf]

Yup. You might notice that the mods in my load list aren't thrown in higgly piggly. I've done pretty much what most people recommend. Install using OBMM, use BOSS to sort, Rebuild BASH Patch, merge mods. About the only thing I haven't done is the LoDGEN thingy. Might try that out, see what it actually does.

[Shadowfen]

Yup. You might notice that the mods in my load list aren't thrown in higgly piggly. I've done pretty much what most people recommend. Install using OBMM, use BOSS to sort, Rebuild BASH Patch, merge mods. About the only thing I haven't done is the LoDGEN thingy. Might try that out, see what it actually does.

 

In that case, you are going to have to remove mods and test to see if the problem goes away with them. I would look at Craftybits first as I can recall it being reported as somewhat problematic in other load orders.

[kirinelf]

After running LODgen, it seems to have smoothed out. Either that or I didn't hit the trigger that caused the CTD. Played for about an hour, with about half an hour or so of just leaving the game running while I played my PS3. No CTDs this time. I'll keep your hint in mind for if it happens again though.