Wveth Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Huh, sounds neat, and sounds like something Kirkbride would come up with. I was really into his writings for a while but they're so dense. I don't remember a lot of it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modder3434 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 To answer the OP's orginal question: No the Thalmor don't worship Sithis. While others have answered that the thalmor wish to regain their divinity, which is kinda true, but I'm thinking this..... modder3434's theory: the thalmor do what they do, not out of faith but out of greed. They looked at the religons of Nirn and picked this one becasue it offers the most/best benifit(s)... Becoming a god of the world.....assuming they successfully destroy man and talos. however I'd bet all my septims that if Talos showed up and offered godhood imedialty to all who wanted it, all the thalmor would do a 180 and praise Talos. thus the thalmor (and others who share in their views) are nothing more then godless, souless, compassionless, hearltess opportunits who stand for nothing but themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 The problem with that hypothesis is it doesn't work within the laws of the setting. Talos couldn't just come down and start handing out God-Cards. No one can MAKE someone else a god. They can try to help others along, as Vivec did to Hjalti/Talos, but godhood is something that by its very nature has to be acheived by the individual. The basic stance of the Dominion and the Thalmor shows that they understand this. To the Empire, Talos was elevated to Godhood by the other Divines. The Dominion disputes this... And they are technically right. The Divines cannot make you a god. Talos is still a God by his own hand, mind you, which is a different issue... It's also something of a misnomer to say they want to become gods in the first place. Some may think this way, though Ancano seems to indicate that there is a wider understanding of the mechanics at play. At Tue very least, the upper echelons of the Thalmor don't think that way. It's not an issue of becomming gods, it's an issue of destroying mortallity. To them, Mortality is an abomination that's poisoning the Aubris, and they seek to errase it entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modder3434 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 The problem with that hypothesis is it doesn't work within the laws of the setting. Talos couldn't just come down and start handing out God-Cards. No one can MAKE someone else a god. They can try to help others along, as Vivec did to Hjalti/Talos, but godhood is something that by its very nature has to be acheived by the individual. The basic stance of the Dominion and the Thalmor shows that they understand this. To the Empire, Talos was elevated to Godhood by the other Divines. The Dominion disputes this... And they are technically right. The Divines cannot make you a god. Talos is still a God by his own hand, mind you, which is a different issue... It's also something of a misnomer to say they want to become gods in the first place. Some may think this way, though Ancano seems to indicate that there is a wider understanding of the mechanics at play. At Tue very least, the upper echelons of the Thalmor don't think that way. It's not an issue of becomming gods, it's an issue of destroying mortallity. To them, Mortality is an abomination that's poisoning the Aubris, and they seek to errase it entirely. Ok fair enough this isn't a super solid hypothesis and I know godhood in the Elder Scrolls doesn't work that way.... but my point is that the thalmor are still hypocritical and really only out for themselves. Maybe they don't want to be gods perse...but if there goal is to eradicate mortality, so that everyone still remaining on Nirn will be immortal, that by itself could be seen as a very noble goal. However, as has been defined (according to earlier replies) to eradicate mortality will require the genocide of man basically, and the thalomor are willing to pay that price....but (and knowing it probably won't work this way in practice) would the thalmor still be willing to commit genocide to eradicate mortality if it was any other race besides men? I would answer yes, even if it was other elven races, but if it was the altmer on the sacrificial altar of mortality, would they do it? No they wouldn't ,because they don't truly believe in eradicating mortality, they only believe in it, so far as they can benefit from it. ******as for Talos achieving godhood by his own hand....that is a whole other thread just waiting to be started.....***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 There's definitely something of a divide between the wider Thalmor, and the powerhouses behind the whole of the Dominion. Do i think the Justicars, Ancano and Elenwen would willingly put the Altmer down just the same as Men? Absolutely not. Their superiors, on the other hand, don't seem to be above doing anything. I somehow suspect they'd even go so far as to shove the Heart of Lorkhan into Shor's chest and sew him shut just to rob Nirn of it's Divinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modder3434 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 So basically its just the power hungry, evil 1% who have no qualms about anything and everyone else has a limit?.... interesting, I hadn't thought of it like that. Is this why your the resident lore master? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyzark Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Is this why your the resident lore master?time to a change of title lachdonin, resident lore master sounds better than faithful poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Is this why your the resident lore master?time to a change of title lachdonin, resident lore master sounds better than faithful poster. I think 'Random jackass who tries to convince others of his perspective on deliberately ambiguous lore' is probably more appropriate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyzark Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) Is this why your the resident lore master?time to a change of title lachdonin, resident lore master sounds better than faithful poster. I think 'Random jackass who tries to convince others of his perspective on deliberately ambiguous lore' is probably more appropriate... amem :laugh: Edited April 10, 2015 by reyzark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
117649AR Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 So basically its just the power hungry, evil 1% who have no qualms about anything and everyone else has a limit?.... interesting, I hadn't thought of it like that. Is this why your the resident lore master? They're hardly evil: they are doing what they believe is good for all, not just for themselves. The Thalmor Leadership want ALL Ehlnofeic descendents restored to et'ada, Creation undone, and the very concept of mortality erased from the Aurbis. This necessitates removing Talos from the mythic and erasing the very idea of Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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