The Fade: Mouse Mod

[TheShadyLady]

Daniekf: That is a very awesome idea. To play through a new origin as Mouse. The story for that would be unique, I would actually definitely do that playthrough. However, dialogue and figuring out just how to make the origins fall into Mouse's interesting story could be a bit difficult and take up some time. But nonetheless would be worth it.

 

I think what would be interesting about that idea, is if you got the Mouse Origins and played through it, which would actually UNLOCK him in being used as a companion. I think that once his origins are completed, story told, it could leave off with a cliffhanger as to where Mouse has actually gone off to. Which, when we either resume a character or start a new one, after playing to a certain point it could trigger a random encounter. Hence, Mouse becoming (optional) a new member.

 

With any class aside from a mage I would assume it would be more on instinct to kill, which the option is given for. Because those characters wouldn't know Mouse. Just see him as a demon in the flesh, right? Well, playing Mouse with a Mage Origins character could open up a few more interesting options. Of course, I think with any class that these options would be balanced out, like a Noble Origins character would have some sort of unique dialogue and what not with him, most likely about their noble heritage. It would be fleshed out for every origin, of course, that was just an example. This could be where the ideas I have been discussing with others could come in too to give balance to their needs.

 

But I'm really liking your idea, especially with this combination. It could make for one interesting mod. Good thinking.

 

What about anyone else? Got any thoughts on this mod?

[Daniekf]

I think what would be interesting about that idea, is if you got the Mouse Origins and played through it, which would actually UNLOCK him in being used as a companion. I think that once his origins are completed, story told, it could leave off with a cliffhanger as to where Mouse has actually gone off to. Which, when we either resume a character or start a new one, after playing to a certain point it could trigger a random encounter. Hence, Mouse becoming (optional) a new member.

 

With any class aside from a mage I would assume it would be more on instinct to kill, which the option is given for. Because those characters wouldn't know Mouse. Just see him as a demon in the flesh, right? Well, playing Mouse with a Mage Origins character could open up a few more interesting options. Of course, I think with any class that these options would be balanced out, like a Noble Origins character would have some sort of unique dialogue and what not with him, most likely about their noble heritage. It would be fleshed out for every origin, of course, that was just an example. This could be where the ideas I have been discussing with others could come in too to give balance to their needs.

 

But I'm really liking your idea, especially with this combination. It could make for one interesting mod. Good thinking.

 

What about anyone else? Got any thoughts on this mod?

 

 

Well this mod does sound very good itself i simply always wanted a mod were you could be a demon no dammed cheats no appearance mods just a small background a class some abilities (i reccommend looking at the mod that discucess "why is uldredd baddass and not you?" thoses ideas for abilities would be perfect though im just an idealist again if i had not yet quoted "Why Hasent Anyone Though Of Becoming not compasion yet?"

[TheShadyLady]

Daniekf: I haven't seen that discussion, I will have to look it up immediately. Uldred interested me, I thought some more insight in him could of made more of an impact rather than the rumors and stories of what happened to The Circle. So I'll look into it and the abilities, etc, thanks. And thank you for the suggestion about the Mouse Mod as well. :3

 

Ideas for how this could work will be posted shortly as well.

[Daniekf]

No problem it is nice to see people finally looking outside the box :smile: the mod discuss new bloodmagic and demonology being that mouse is a pride demon the abilities would suit him very well

[TheShadyLady]

Daniekf: I tried to find the discussion you mentioned and could not, could you link me to it by any chance?

[TheShadyLady]

Brainstorming.

 

If Mouse was in the real world, just what would he be capable of? Shape-shifting? Abilities alike to Uldred? Perhaps more?

 

I think if this mod is going to get anywhere we need to set down some ideas. And since people are lacking I'm just going to blab away on ideas, and hope you guys give me some feedback. Hopefully someone out there will get zapped with intrigue and help make this mod for the ones that request it.

 

I was going through the ideas about summoning others from the Fade. Mouse was a puppet master in Mage Origins, but would that necessarily mean he would be the type to bring forth others to aid him, or would he be powerful enough on his own? Truthfully, I thought the latter. Mouse tested the mage, and when I think about it, if the Pride Uldred was taken by was there instead, I would definitely bet on it that it would still try and possess the mage. Which gave Mouse more self control, even after being found out and all. He used Valor and Sloth, as well as the Rage Demon in the test, but were they until his influence, or even really there? Would there be a point in having Mouse be able to craft those from the Fade into the real world?

Truthfully, I think it's not necessary. As much as it is interesting, or would be interesting to see, I think Mouse works better as an individual rather than relying on summoned creatures.

I like the idea of Mouse going into "rage" mode of some sort, maybe his own form of berserk that would summon only in a certain mode? No idea. I think it would be a last minute resort, as in, if he couldn't keep fighting in his human skin he'd summon others, and if they couldn't handle it only then would he transform.

But, perhaps ideas from your end could make me think otherwise?

 

What other abilities would Mouse possess? In a living body now, I would think he'd be more prone to either using magic as a true mage; what abilities he possessed within the Fade and more with the body, perhaps. Or maybe he'd be more of the forbidden sort, and actually take up Blood Magic as his primary weapon. In all honesty I could see a mix of sorts. Primarily, it would be Blood Magic, and not what is just there already. Mouse would most likely have to get some custom attack and defense spells relating to it.

In my mind I can see his attacks being wider in range, meaning, multiple targets would be affected and taken out much more quickly than what a regular mage could do. Which would also present a challenge to the people that want to fight and kill him, think Uldred was bad? I think Mouse would be worse.

 

Changing into his original form, a Pride. Like Uldred did. I think it is vital to Mouse's mod to have this, because it will still show that despite wearing human skin, and no matter how he acts, what he truly is, is undeniable. Would this just be limited to just battle?

No.

I think during the storyline with Mouse it is also vital he morphs, even if it is just at camp or during some conversational/cutscene. It wouldn't be to smash and bash, it would be more to make a statement, or discussing what he really is. He could probably squish someone who bothered him in his human shell, transforming for that purpose would be a waste, most likely. More ideas are welcomed here.

 

Back to the magic, though. I think basic elements should be given, wider range of attack, more powerful team member and opponent if an enemy. Because in truth, Mouse is either going to be stronger or equal (in the real world) to the Warden with him being a Pride, one that most likely stronger than Uldred himself. Again, though, these are just observations and suggestions being put in here by myself and other fans of Mouse.

 

Weapon? Do you think he would have one or not?

My opinion? No. He'd just use his hands, or claws, depending on his state. Rather than using a staff I think he'd be prone to whipping out a spell straight from his hands. A dagger or blade maybe if he happens to get the slip on somebody, but otherwise hands on magic.

Input?

 

Drain Life I think is important with Mouse if he's getting himself a body, by the way.

 

And I think I'm out of most of my ideas. I don't know what is even possible to be done as a mod, so feedback and ideas would be nice. Otherwise, those are the most common things that come to mind currently.

[TheShadyLady]

I guess I'll post about dialogue now too. All things considered, it's going to be fleshed out completely. Mind you, these are ideas, concepts, etc. that I myself will suggest, and input suggestions that others also requested for this mod. I'm not going to write out actual dialogue, save it for the actual mod, but these are ideas for what kind there will be, and conversations to be had.

 

Meeting Mouse:

That would probably have to be the most alluring conversation. For it will be the one that makes you, The Warden, decide whether Mouse will join your party, or if you will send him back to the Fade. Ignorance here will end badly for you if you refuse to listen to what he has to say (in general, you'll have a choice to kill or add him afterward he speaks as well) and go for an instant battle. Playing to his favor would mean a less hostile conversation, but Mouse is still aggressive in his persuasion.

Classes, races, origins all would be affected. Human Nobles he'd be interested in with heritage, most likely. Nobles have power, and Mouse like power. Mages will obviously have a closer connection right off the bat, he'll recognize you, perhaps even remember the way you answered him (?), which could affect how he reacts to seeing you once again. You a Dalish? He'll give you some advice, and criticize your people, but give his respects as well for refusing to be slaves to the humans like the city dwellers. Dwarf perhaps? He might tell you something about what a shame it is they are disconnected from magic. Or maybe it's a good thing? Still a work in progress.

 

Attack Mouse, kill Mouse, final words for farewell?

"I'll be back."

"This isn't over."

"See you soon."

"Remember, Mage, true tests never end."

:P

Something, something, something.

 

Have him join you?

He's not going to bow and thank you, that's for sure. It's a wise decision to have him in your party, and he knows he's quite a valuable catch to have at your side. Even if he could at any moment turn into the enemy. Lucky you, eh?

 

Conversational options:

Ask about the Fade?

Ask about others of the Fade?

Ask why Mouse left the Fade/wanted to leave the Fade?

Ask his views on the Darkspawn and the Blight?

Ask about what he mentioned that's personal (Mage Origins, Nobles, Dalish, every origin will have something that's different)

When you get to a higher approval rating perhaps even ask his views on the rest of your party, on things advice even to prepare for the end of the Blight. Mouse is powerful, he is intelligent, and he is full of advise, best option is to check back to him often for it. Besides, he likes it when others listen to him.

 

It's official. I went and ask those that I spoke to about this potential mod, and the majority rules that it is requested to have some form of romance. But really, romance with Mouse? How is that possible?

How is it not? Is Mouse incapable? We'll find out.

Lets just say he favors the smart and wise ones, ignorance is not found to be cute nor worthy of respect in his view. That much is so far known on the mod Mouse will have. He likes an open mind, and will test to see if yours is open. Or is this just a trick to make you a potential host for his demonic self? Just what would you do for Mouse, we will have to see.

 

Pissing him off? He'll talk down to you, maybe even try to kill you at a certain point if the conversation keeps swinging in a certain way. Or maybe he'll just leave. He won't respect you if you don't earn it, and it's not about being nice. It's about being smart with him, and if all you do is insult, whine, and act ignorantly, he will continue to give you negative results.

 

Other companions? Mouse will have some lines for each of them, that's for sure. Some snark, some wit, some insults, and even observations. Morrigan might have just met her match. Oh dear~

 

Ok, I had a lot more to type but... I fell asleep writing this. So I'm posting what I've got here and now, and will add on when I log back in.

Thanks for reading, feedback and more ideas on what I've posted tonight would be great! :3

[Daniekf]

I guess I'll post about dialogue now too. All things considered, it's going to be fleshed out completely. Mind you, these are ideas, concepts, etc. that I myself will suggest, and input suggestions that others also requested for this mod. I'm not going to write out actual dialogue, save it for the actual mod, but these are ideas for what kind there will be, and conversations to be had.

 

Meeting Mouse:

That would probably have to be the most alluring conversation. For it will be the one that makes you, The Warden, decide whether Mouse will join your party, or if you will send him back to the Fade. Ignorance here will end badly for you if you refuse to listen to what he has to say (in general, you'll have a choice to kill or add him afterward he speaks as well) and go for an instant battle. Playing to his favor would mean a less hostile conversation, but Mouse is still aggressive in his persuasion.

Classes, races, origins all would be affected. Human Nobles he'd be interested in with heritage, most likely. Nobles have power, and Mouse like power. Mages will obviously have a closer connection right off the bat, he'll recognize you, perhaps even remember the way you answered him (?), which could affect how he reacts to seeing you once again. You a Dalish? He'll give you some advice, and criticize your people, but give his respects as well for refusing to be slaves to the humans like the city dwellers. Dwarf perhaps? He might tell you something about what a shame it is they are disconnected from magic. Or maybe it's a good thing? Still a work in progress.

 

Attack Mouse, kill Mouse, final words for farewell?

"I'll be back."

"This isn't over."

"See you soon."

"Remember, Mage, true tests never end."

:P

Something, something, something.

 

Have him join you?

He's not going to bow and thank you, that's for sure. It's a wise decision to have him in your party, and he knows he's quite a valuable catch to have at your side. Even if he could at any moment turn into the enemy. Lucky you, eh?

 

Conversational options:

Ask about the Fade?

Ask about others of the Fade?

Ask why Mouse left the Fade/wanted to leave the Fade?

Ask his views on the Darkspawn and the Blight?

Ask about what he mentioned that's personal (Mage Origins, Nobles, Dalish, every origin will have something that's different)

When you get to a higher approval rating perhaps even ask his views on the rest of your party, on things advice even to prepare for the end of the Blight. Mouse is powerful, he is intelligent, and he is full of advise, best option is to check back to him often for it. Besides, he likes it when others listen to him.

 

It's official. I went and ask those that I spoke to about this potential mod, and the majority rules that it is requested to have some form of romance. But really, romance with Mouse? How is that possible?

How is it not? Is Mouse incapable? We'll find out.

Lets just say he favors the smart and wise ones, ignorance is not found to be cute nor worthy of respect in his view. That much is so far known on the mod Mouse will have. He likes an open mind, and will test to see if yours is open. Or is this just a trick to make you a potential host for his demonic self? Just what would you do for Mouse, we will have to see.

 

Pissing him off? He'll talk down to you, maybe even try to kill you at a certain point if the conversation keeps swinging in a certain way. Or maybe he'll just leave. He won't respect you if you don't earn it, and it's not about being nice. It's about being smart with him, and if all you do is insult, whine, and act ignorantly, he will continue to give you negative results.

 

Other companions? Mouse will have some lines for each of them, that's for sure. Some snark, some wit, some insults, and even observations. Morrigan might have just met her match. Oh dear~

 

Ok, I had a lot more to type but... I fell asleep writing this. So I'm posting what I've got here and now, and will add on when I log back in.

Thanks for reading, feedback and more ideas on what I've posted tonight would be great! :3

 

 

i agree when you romance with mouse is bad when dragon age was first released the mods were all about companions, power, choices and affects now everyone justs want do well "do" every char in it anyway its called "better blood magic"

also mouse should hold out on his own but mouse isent the fighter all the time hes more like a rouge a manipulator and fighter but a mage with his spells i have some ideas on conversations with him

 

Conversational options:

Ask about the Fade? - Mouse-" The fade? mortals try to concept it as the heart of the world. the truth is that mortals simpley fear all being and creatures there viewing manny as demons but tell me am i a demon truly? -Char Choices You- 1.you are not a demon, you are a friend 2.well you do manipulate people for power and possess them 3. you are as horrible as the darkspawn and ugly! i only have number 1 list Mouse-" so you understand then the word demon is a fake word tossed around mortals. thank you for understanding the thruth but to contuine your question the fade is a dreamworld everything mortals think of belong here why people view this place as a nightmare when you can do whatever you want is beyond concern.

Ask about others of the Fade? - Mouse-"Others in the fade are no diffrent than me mortals belive that we are created though pain and death but we exist on what a mortal feels remmeber the sloth demon a mortal king long ago was a lazy one for his enjoyment he would make people answer riddles that had no meaning most failed and were killed as his piggish life he was killed after found being a cannibal others exist only on what you feel we are all one being with diffrent emotions

 

Ask why Mouse left the Fade/wanted to leave the Fade? - Mouse- The fade is a tireless bleedful place for me nothing good about it nothing what i do there affects mortal lifes or soul agenda i want to leave and make a diffrence here unlike others my brothers and sisters i care not for them as they are slaves to themselves

 

Ask his views on the Darkspawn and the Blight? - Mouse-"darkspawn are greedy men and women corrupted with filth exiled by the maker they were rampet untill the archdemon came from it is said that a darkspawn sorcerrer found this best corrupted it and made sure that the creature was to be under his control but instead it enslaved them now every last darkspawn is controlled by this demon only when hes dead do they get some freedom back.

 

Ask about what he mentioned that's personal - Mouse-"the charty is a pain they are convinced that we are evil your mortal friend morrigan knows this well youve her and me do we look like we will kill you when you turn around no the chantry is the true demonic force at work alistar is a slave to them but broke becoming a warden." <- can change

 

thats what i think and i had to be quick cuz i gotta go hope you like the idea :)

[TheShadyLady]

Daniekf: You pull through again, haha. I'm liking your suggestions, while I'll probably word it a bit different to fit Mouse's tone more the points you covered that he would speak about came pretty close. I'll have to read up again on a few things Dragon Age-related when doing the Fade and all its properties, just to make sure the facts are correct. Probably will do that with the Darkspawn too, just to be safe before doing final scripts for the mod.

 

You seemed to grasp the fact Mouse would be relying more on intelligence than feelings when he was replying to the Warden's comments, which is good. I would think that to Mouse emotions would be more distant, and intellect would be more dominate. Which works out better in my opinion. I was talking dialogue to a friend of mine, who suggested that intellect dominating emotions could work in the romance part of things. Showing Mouse various aspects about mortals. It sounded cheesy to me, but it might just be one of the more sensible options. So I added it to the list, and request suggestions on how that could work as well.

 

I've been sick a lot recently, and sleeping more than I usually do. So pardon me, my brain is still waking up at the moment. I'll post more when I can think more clearly. And the dialogue as well.

[Daniekf]

Well although im not the best Romantic option for mouse it depends really so im gonna guess wait a minute. Ive got a idea! :D this idea isent much of romance but is good to fit your intelligence over emotion. instead of "you know what" what if you asked mouse to bond with you. this will put him inside you as you and him share all memories knowlage for a split secend then mouse comes out of you this "bond" for tactical types will increase whatever clas you are in a way. : if your a rouge you will add 2 to personally and agility. warriors 2 to strength and endurance. and mage is 2 for magic and willpower

 

this is a simple idea if you have use for it then there you go i do not mind any changes to the increases or instead make buffs for it i did intend this type of romance to be for female but it can be any gender so should whoever wants this idea wishes it :biggrin: