MagdalenaDwojniak Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) Rosvita, thanks heaps for telling me all this! Alistair's charms, huh - the weird cheese fetish runs in the family, eh? I couldn't help thinking about "The Theirin Boys" (http://jaderaven93.deviantart.com/art/DAO-The-Theirin-Boys-172892059)... It's odd to imagine yourself Loghain in love if I can confess something. And the elven mistress - do you mean Katriel? Edited November 1, 2015 by MagdalenaDwojniak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosvitacousland Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Hi Magdalena, not sure about Maric, but the painting is a good likeness of Alistair... Concerning Loghain I totally agree with you. But even Loghain is not born a bitter old man. Well, actually he has been a bitter young man before - lol. No joke. I guess Rowan has been a beautiful brave woman. The problem was, that Maric saw a kind of mate in Rowan, less the woman. And yes, Maric's elven mistress is Katriel - a minstrel like Leliana, or better like Majorlaine. Like Alistair he's not the man to have hosts of mistresses. Actually Katriel set a lousy trap for Maric: There had been some pretended attackers who pretended to rape Katriel - just the moment she knew, that Maric would come along. So she could peform the fair maiden to be rescued. He rescued her, of course he did. And when he was wounded in bed, she came to warm him up, just playing the thankful one. This way she insinuated herself into his confidence. After this he sent her to open the gates of Westhill, but she didn't, of course she didn't. And so he lost the battle and a lot of men, including Rendorn Guerrin, the father of Eamon, Teagan and Rowan, which meant Maric's future father-in-law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagdalenaDwojniak Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 Rosvita, you have no idea how much I appreciate you telling me this. On the wiki, there is much less detail on how Katriel carried out her contract. Your insight is extremely helpful. But I am told Loghain saw through the bard. What was his reaction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosvitacousland Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) Hi Magdalena, I'm so glad, that I can be of service to you. Actually, yesterday I've read the fitting passages again. I forgot to mention two other aspects: 1. First one, Katriel pretended to be a messenger of Byron Howe (Arl Howe's uncle), who recently defected. By the way, a pathetic scene - Byron on his knees ahead of Maric, his rightful king/ prince. (I wished, someone would create a mod with the oath of allegiance for king Alistair. Perhaps I will try on my own.) Practically Byron and his nearest stuff had been killed. Well, I'm afraid, Katriel could have had something to do with it... She pretended to give a warning from Byron, concerning the advancing hostile corps. Immediately Loghain was leery of her, because he thought, if Katriel as a messenger could escape, than Byron could, too. But Loghain knew, that Byron had the order to occupy the enemy, and Loghain finally thought, that Maric had the talent to evoke the self-abandoment of his supporters. 2. When Katriel came into Maric's tent, he told his temptress, that he didn't want to take advantage of the situation - no doubt, he's really Alistair's father... I guess, this has been the founding stone of Katriel's unprofessionell behaviour to fall in love with her target. As you know, usuallly men were at least indifferent about elves or even cruel. But not Maric. At their first meeting he called her "Mylady" and he was always friendly and good to her. Well, until he killed her. She hadn't the order to kill him, but to insinuate herself into his confidence as I wrote before. At the beginning, her client, the mage Severan (a kind of counsellor of Meghren), wanted her to bring him Maric alive. Later on Meghren changed his opinion and wanted Maric to be killed immediatally. For that reason inside of the fortress West Hill someone else (another spy) told her, that Maric should be killed, but she refused. (I guess, at this point she liked Maric to much to kill him or to let someone else kill him.) So this other spy tried to kill Katriel - known or unbeknown to Severan. So Katriel felt no longer committed to Severan and decided to help Maric. She rode to Maric, who sat already into the trap being attacked by eleven soldiers. At this point Rowan, knowing already about the affaire de coeur, had given up her own father(!) Rendorn during the battle of West Hill, only to rescue Maric (along with Loghain). Katriel killed three of the aggressors. Both of them, Loghain and Rowan started to be wary of Katriel, because this woman didn't seem to be as helpless as before, when Marid should rescue her. Then the way to Gwaren to meet the rebel armee or the rest of it had been cut off by the enemies. Katriel suggested to use the Deep Ways and Maric decided to take this chance. It was horrible. They had to fight against giant spiders. Loghain accomplished to tug the others into a kind of shelter and felt in a faint like the others before. Awakened again Loghain and Rowan tried to convince Maric to leave the unconcious Katriel alone in the shelter. Maric was indignant at the suggestion to leave anyone alone in the Deep Ways, even a pretended traitor, and he didn't believe. Katriel became awake and tried to tell Maric the truth, but he didn't want to hear it. In the Deep Ways Maric found his magic sword - in the hand of a dead warrior. Maric saw, that this sword had been a dwalish work. The sword banished the lichen of the darkspawn. Later one they were attacked by the darkspawn, but then dwarves of the Legion of the Death rescued them. Maric with his charmes won even these dwarfes as his allies to fight in Gwaren at the surface! Maric, decent as always - Alistair's father, indeed - offered the magic sword to the dwarfes being its rightful owners, but their commander refused. And so Maric got his magic sword - by the way gleaming blue not yellow. (I always give this sword to Alistair, of course.) By the way, Gwaren is a dwalish name meaning salt and sea and had been the dwalish outpost into the Deep Ways. Human men built their town over it. The dwarfes managed to open the seals of Gwaren. There they had been attacked by surprise, but Maric recognized Shale as a golem of his own armee. He called to be Maric. Willem the master of Shale made several testing spells, because he thought, that this had been a kind of trick. But he had to confirm, that Maric was the real Maric and the soldiers felt on their knees. Later on, Katriel went to Denerim to make a kind of termination by Severan. As it was a kind of common decency or a case of honour (for bards) she didn't kill the mage, but only dazed him, so he couldn't perform magic this moment. Rowan had kept Katriel under surveillance. For this reason she knew that Katriel had been in Denerim, into the Royal Palace. Rowan told Loghain about it. Well, Loghain told Maric and Maric killed Katriel. Seems to be fair? Loghain left something out, a little detail: Rowan and Loghain knew, that Katriel broke with Severan and that Severan offered a reward for Katriels head. Rowan was appalled by Loghains behaviour. Loghain wanted Maric to kill Katriel. Maric had told Loghain, that he loved Katriel, that he even would marry her. Loghain couldn't understand, because he loved Rowan and he knew the people wouldn't accept an elfish queen and he told Maric so, but Maric didn't accept. I guess, Loghain wanted Maric to marry Rowan, because she had been the fitting queen for Ferelden. Rowan comforted Maric. Well, a sort of tangible solace... She spent him strenght. And she became his queen, a good queen. Later on Rowan and Loghain led the rebel army in the battle of the river Dane. Maric himself had a special mission: He killed Severan. Actually Katriel left Maric a letter with the description of her last meeting with Severan and how to paralyze Severan (with a contact poison as Katriel used herself at the doorknob of Severan.) So she expected Maric to kill her. Unfortunately Rowan went ill and died before her time. Probably she became infected in the Deep Ways. (By the way, Maric didn't betray her, because she had been dead for years, when Maric first met Alistair's mother.) Hope this could help you... By then rosvita Edited November 30, 2015 by rosvitacousland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagdalenaDwojniak Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 Rosvita, thank you so much. Have you ever thought about writing a synopsis of "The Stolen Throne" for people like me who cannot get the book and need more than just the blurb from Amazon? All you mentioned really paints a... quaint, let's say, picture. Many leaks in Katriel's plan that Maric blissfully glossed over or outright ignored. Loghain seems like that poisonous friend here as well. Rowan, on the other hand, sounds interesting. Severan too (I have a thing for grey and grey characters, my fault ;)). I am very grateful for you telling me this. If you don't mind, I am going to send you a note with some stuff not directly related to Loghain. I'd be glad to hear your opinion. (I wished, someone would create a mod with the oath of allegiance for king Alistair. Perhaps I will try on my own.) Sounds curious, let me know how it's going. You could also let your creative juices flow outside the toolset. Do you have an account on DeviantArt? I would happily visit your gallery. Regards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosvitacousland Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Hi Magdalena, thank you so much for your kind words! However I have no idea, where I could publish such a synopsis. I love to write and to frame something, even in English, I mean though it's an foreign language to me. I would like to retell just for me the story of Dragon Age Origins including some original dialogs (in German, of course). Concerning King Maric, well, at this point he seems to be still trusting, like Alistair not-hardened, because he is - to say it with Fiona - just a good person. Probably he projects his character onto others. I like torned persons, too. At least I find them interesting. But this Severan is more black than grey to use the same metaphor. He has been the power behind the throne, a kind of the grey [sic!] cardinal. But he isn't content with his role, he wants to ascend the throne himself. Even Loghain himself has more shades of grey, at least in his former days, protecting Ferelden and protecting Maric. Nevertheless in my opinion only black tones of Loghain rest during the periode of the fifth blight. As I wrote before, Rowan has got a love triangle with Maric and Loghain. All of them have been friends, and the inhibition level on a friend seems to be lower than on a stranger. So she has taken Loghain as a comforter, when she finally wanted to visit Maric in his tent, but Katriel has been faster. I guess for her part Rowan still loves Maric. But Maric loves her in another way and in addition he has got guilt pangs, because he knows, that his best friend - Loghain -, really loves Rowan. Astonishingly enough Maric losts his will to live after Rowan's passing. By then rosvita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagdalenaDwojniak Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 I have no idea, where I could publish such a synopsis. I love to write and to frame something, even in English, I mean though it's an foreign language to me. I would like to retell just for me the story of Dragon Age Origins including some original dialogs (in German, of course).DeviantArt, FanFiction.net, ArchiveOfOurOwn.org - any would work. If you like writing, you definitely should. I see what you mean with Loghain and Rowan. Maric missing Rowan... love without the wedding march and fireworks perhaps? Your description of Maric's tent just killed me: a queue of girls trying to get in :devil:. Somebody should make a comic strip of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosvitacousland Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) Your description of Maric's tent just killed me: a queue of girls trying to get in :devil:. Somebody should make a comic strip of this. Ha, ha. The best is yet to come: Rowan, to be accustomed to wear her armour, chose a seductive dress, a Calabrian red off-the shoulder silk robe. (Unfortunately she was to square-shouldered and mesomorphic for such a dress.) When she realized, what already was going on into the tent, she left and met - Loghain. To explain the situation she told him, that she couldn't sleep. Loghain answered : "Therefore you decided to put on a nice dress and to go for a walk." (In the following Loghain told her, that she looked wonderfully beautiful. She told him: "Chuck it!" Then he told her, that he knew, how Rowan looked at Maric. Clatching at her hands he told her, that he knew, that she was bespoken to Maric and was to be his queen, but that he, Loghain himself, couldn't stop to think about Rowan. By his standards he made a kind of profession of love or rather he even needn't to make at all. But Rowan devested Loghain of her hands and said: "Stop it! Please, leave me in peace!". This time Rowan still resisted Loghain.) To be fair, I had to mention, that Loghain, who had loved Rowan from the beginning (which means for three years), tried to leave the camp soon after this scene. But Maric and even Rowan didn't let him go, because both of them needed him as a friend and as a strategian. So Loghain stayed. (Little addendum: Actually Katriel did open the gates of the fortress West Hill, but this had been part of the trap, because the hostile troops had been waiting for Marics men.) Edited December 7, 2015 by rosvitacousland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagdalenaDwojniak Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 ...The quotes you provided are from the book, aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosvitacousland Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 ...The quotes you provided are from the book, aren't they? Well, I've got the German version of the books. I did my very best to tranlate these sayings. The qoutes shall only indicate the directly speech. Excuse me! I should have mentioned, that the qoutes don't indicate the original English sayings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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