Valve/Bethesda announce paid modding for Skyrim, more games to follow

[starfis]

In response to post #24574924.

Explosive196 wrote:

This will make Nexus stronger.

[cascadesbiker]

I hope that here and on Steam there is a sort selection for free and mods you have to pay for.

[boulegue]

In response to post #24571929. #24572044, #24572064, #24572299, #24573824, #24573909, #24574109, #24574289, #24574414, #24574694, #24574724, #24574819 are all replies on the same post.

swiftfoxmark2 wrote:

boulegue wrote: bethesda decided to legalize it

Azarakos wrote: Valve and Bethesda get 75% of the mod income, the modder himself/herself get 25%. More money to the companies.

Welcome to capitalism, brother.

boulegue wrote: a musician gets much less for their music, a developer gets much less for their work on the game, a writer gets much less for their books.....

valve is being very generous in that department

swiftfoxmark2 wrote: Yes, I know that. But I'm referring to the Nexus policy.

boulegue wrote: the nexus is probably not able to give bethesda a share or bethesda is simply not interested in it and partnered with valve

WightMage wrote: And this why self publishing books and indie record labels are all the rage now. So too should it be with mods, IMO.

boulegue wrote: in the top 15 combined print & e-book fiction bestseller list of march 2015 all are published by established publishers to lazy to look up the music charts but i could bet its similar.... selfpublished and indie labels remain a minority because they cant afford the advertising big publishers can.... just as with games.... theres a few exceptions like minecraft but even that has now a big publisher behind it now

Reaper0021 wrote: This statement is 100% wrong. I work in the "Entertainment Industry" in the 'literature' side of things. Author's don't "Get" less for their books in that capacity. Nor is it "Much Less". You claim to work in the 'industry' and if so cool. But please don't step where you have no knowledge.

boulegue wrote: the industry standart for royalties for books is 10% correct?

Reaper0021 wrote: Wrong. Dependent on several factors but not limited to: Authors previous works, legal, notoriety, part of a series/contractual, etc. Too many things to list. No, 10% is not even worth the ink.

Reaper0021 wrote: Writers i.e. Script Writers might get away with that. Think someone like "S. King, R.A. Salvatore or numerous other well known authors would settle for that? No. The amount fluctuates and is dependent on many factors.

okay none of our modders here no matter how good they are are world renown they are literally starting the business today

[CaedesAposis]

In response to post #24574734. #24574879 is also a reply to the same post.

Apollodown wrote:

akkalat85 wrote: I love you Apollodown. You are respected for your work, and your stance on this.

Now goddammit Apollodown, now I have to respect you even more for your work. How the HELL do you do that?

[derek6688]

In response to post #24571614. #24572234, #24572374, #24572469, #24572589, #24572669, #24572829, #24572854, #24572864, #24572984, #24572994, #24573004, #24573029, #24573229, #24573324, #24573399, #24573439, #24573784, #24573939, #24574029, #24574129 are all replies on the same post.

KaiserDeathIV wrote:

speash wrote: Signed

ShwayNorris wrote: Signed

Kerros wrote: Signed, thank you for the link

zzjay wrote: Will do tomorrow..cant open from phone :(.

I doubt it'll help...we can simply not buy em.

groupthinker1984 wrote: Way too soon for this kind of knee jerk reaction.

I agree that this COULD be absolutely disastrous. Or it could be wonderful. Or somehow both at the same time.

MrSpanky wrote: signed. passed the 7500 mark

Rigmor wrote: Signed

Ultrametal wrote: This means nothing to Valve, they just gonna discourage people from making mods, since anyone can steal the idea and sell it with a different color.

softail4life wrote: Signed...thank you

Mindprobe24 wrote: Signed (8305)

shaithlis wrote: Signed

jradik wrote: signed

popcorn71 wrote: Sites not loading. Too many people trying to sing?

BFNord wrote: and signed. and forwarded the link to a few others. f*#@ that noise.

StackEmHigh wrote: Signed.

akkalat85 wrote: Signing...

popcorn71 wrote: Signed.

danjal wrote: Frankly, I'm not deadset against paid mods.

What I would demand is that Valve gets its ass in gear and does some quality control/assurance...
Not to mention, if I'd pay for a mod, then I would want the mod to work - which means that Steam Workshop needs to start providing adequate tools and support there aswell.

Untill such a time as that starts happening - they do not deserve this financial split.

Mindprobe24 wrote: 8,741 supporters, comme on people! SPREAD!

bloodwolf13 wrote: Signed and deleted all mods from the Valve, I was going to buy Farcry4 from there but now No way are they going to get another Dime from me.

Signed. (9,584)

[colinswrath]

In response to post #24574734. #24574879, #24574969 are all replies on the same post.

Apollodown wrote:

akkalat85 wrote: I love you Apollodown. You are respected for your work, and your stance on this.

CaedesAposis wrote: Now goddammit Apollodown, now I have to respect you even more for your work. How the HELL do you do that?

Dear god thank you. The greed in this world is unreal, charging for mods we don't even know what the files consist of, or even the quality of the mod.

[Salzber]

In response to post #24574394.

natzo123 wrote:

The big mods like Enderal and Beyond Skyrim actually said they won't charge for it .

[ValtielCurse]

In response to post #24574474.

Xalidan wrote:

This is actually a great idea.

[deadblood01]

In response to post #24571614. #24572234, #24572374, #24572469, #24572589, #24572669, #24572829, #24572854, #24572864, #24572984, #24572994, #24573004, #24573029, #24573229, #24573324, #24573399, #24573439, #24573784, #24573939, #24574029, #24574129, #24574984 are all replies on the same post.

KaiserDeathIV wrote:

speash wrote: Signed

ShwayNorris wrote: Signed

Kerros wrote: Signed, thank you for the link

zzjay wrote: Will do tomorrow..cant open from phone :(.

I doubt it'll help...we can simply not buy em.

groupthinker1984 wrote: Way too soon for this kind of knee jerk reaction.

I agree that this COULD be absolutely disastrous. Or it could be wonderful. Or somehow both at the same time.

MrSpanky wrote: signed. passed the 7500 mark

Rigmor wrote: Signed

Ultrametal wrote: This means nothing to Valve, they just gonna discourage people from making mods, since anyone can steal the idea and sell it with a different color.

softail4life wrote: Signed...thank you

Mindprobe24 wrote: Signed (8305)

shaithlis wrote: Signed

jradik wrote: signed

popcorn71 wrote: Sites not loading. Too many people trying to sing?

BFNord wrote: and signed. and forwarded the link to a few others. f*#@ that noise.

StackEmHigh wrote: Signed.

akkalat85 wrote: Signing...

popcorn71 wrote: Signed.

danjal wrote: Frankly, I'm not deadset against paid mods.

What I would demand is that Valve gets its ass in gear and does some quality control/assurance...
Not to mention, if I'd pay for a mod, then I would want the mod to work - which means that Steam Workshop needs to start providing adequate tools and support there aswell.

Untill such a time as that starts happening - they do not deserve this financial split.

Mindprobe24 wrote: 8,741 supporters, comme on people! SPREAD!

bloodwolf13 wrote: Signed and deleted all mods from the Valve, I was going to buy Farcry4 from there but now No way are they going to get another Dime from me.

derek6688 wrote: Signed. (9,584)

signed and shared

[phantompally76]

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phantompally76 wrote:

IgnacyOrder wrote: Im sure I wont be releasing my mod any more. I jsut keep it for myself because I dotn want someone now to steal it and make money for nothing. Or the fact I did use some stuff from modderss recources. Some people now may force me to pay for reeasing mod even thou its free. Makes me criminal then. I guess many modders wont want that problem

Youtuber mod showcases will die as well as it will be expensive hobby now

boulegue wrote: authors just like publishers will send their mods to reviewers for free so they get exposure

zzjay wrote: Lol you're right...i will never sell a mod...too many problems...of they close free modding ill jusy quit.

Modding is an hobby...not a job...if bethesda cant make thir own games pretty i dont see why to buy em at all...if i even have to pay for mods...mods are like essential for skyrim...without its worthless...

phantompally76 wrote: The question is how many of the irate modders out there tonight who are unendorsing chesko and isako's mods out of spite (which I don't condone, but totally understand) will in turn unsubscribe from Brodual, Gopher, and all the other popular mod reviewers that they perceive as being advocates for charging a fee for untested alpha content? So far I've only seen a reaction by Gopher, who was being diplomatically cautious about the whole thing.

I fear (and I really do hope I'm wrong) that this will also have an adverse affect on the Youtube modding reviews community. I'm not sure how many reviewers will risk losing subscribers, traffic and revenue by reviewing paid mods. Only time will tell.

boulegue wrote: zzjay you have made some great mods most of which are well up there in the 100,000 downloads so theres no disputing youre a great modder

but why do you want to take away others freedom to sell their hard work, if you dont want to sell yours thats fine and many think the same as you.... but if isoku and cheesko who are also great modders what to make money of off it why wouldnt you let them? noone is taking away our free mods valve and bethesda just gave us the option to monetize the work people put into their mods

rkelly wrote: my question is if mods go paid for than wont they become targets for pirates? in other words wouldn't this make mod piracy becoming a actual thing?

danjal wrote: Just look at the pricing alone.

Wet and Cold apparently set its price at $4,99
If I'm looking at Skyrim as a base game and its DLC.
We're seeing $20~40 for basegame/DLC or Legendary Edition.

So what would Wet and Cold be worth compared to the base game when the base game goes on sale as low as $14 on sale (And thats the Legendary Edition)?
What about a mod like Falskaar? Is Falskaar worth the same as Dragonborn/Dawnguard due to its size? Is it worth less because of some quality concerns? (Its good, but you notice its a mod nonetheless.)

What about something like SkyWind or Luftahraan that is worked on by a larger team?
How do you determine value for that?

What about mods that rely on assets from other mod makers?
What about customer support, who is responsible?

boulegue wrote: the price goes from $1-$99 you choose how much you pay for wet&cold $5 is just the recommended price

marthgun wrote: everyone involved in this should not be allowed to have mods on the nexus, this is just free advertisement for their treason.

its one thing to shill for shekels here if you're hurting for cash, but there is no protection on steam. Kids will be buying mods that break their game and then flooding steam with 'boohoos' when they keep crashing. They'll have to come here or elsewhere for their tools and that is just not fair.

Such a sad state of affairs.

boulegue wrote: how is anyone betraying you? kids are already flooding this article and the steamworkshop with cries

phantompally76 wrote: boulegue, exactly how much is Valve paying you to play the devil's advocate on here tonight?

I mean, I can understand both sides of the argument, to a point....but your replies consistently (and suspiciously) smack of self-service.

JJgoodtimes wrote: Imagine youtube reviewers getting gifted free copies of new big expensive mods from the mod makers and then giving positive reviews out,; which is ultimately free advertising when one considers how devoted their respective fans are to their opinions. There really is no limit to the corruption that is possible.

boulegue wrote: im neither modding nor working for steam just an middle aged insomniac sick of people crying the world will end

@JJgoodtimes that is standart practice in the gaming industry

All seriousness aside, JJgoodtimes, your comment was DY-NO-MITE!!!!!


And I agree with you, if mod reviewers end up getting free copies, that's going to upset the same crowd who are flooding Steam's comment section with the ascii middle finger right now, who are signing that petition (which now has over 9,000 signatures), and who are calling for mod author boycotts. I wouldn't go as far as to say that crowd is in the right, but I will go as far as to say that it's a very large crowd, and it can do a LOT of damage.