Quick updates to the site, money money money edition

[jediakyrol]

In response to post #24600654. #24600674, #24600714, #24600744, #24600914, #24601069, #24601314, #24601679, #24601744, #24601759 are all replies on the same post.

StaciKrash wrote:

Dark0ne wrote: This one?

It's not hidden, it's on their service provider listing at the bottom of this page, which explains how it works. Mod authors select service providers who they think helped them in their modding, and in turn, the service provider gets between 1%-5% of Valve's cut of their profits, depending on how many service providers were picked by the mod author.

So the mod author opts in to it themselves, and the money comes from Valve's cut.

LtRhapthorne wrote: He either needs to make the Nexus paid for (killing it) or remove the Nexus as an option for service provider. Otherwise, he's double dipping.

LtRhapthorne wrote: So you're double dipping?

Why should I believe anything you say?

PickleJar wrote: Why not tell us you're taking a cut right from the get-go?

Shouldn't you have all your cards on the table (and on the table here, on your site, not buried in Valve's legal writings) if you really want to help everyone get through this to a peaceful conclusion?

Blademaster1215 wrote: The Nexus doesn't take a cut from every paid mod. From the way it's worded, Service Providers can be given donations by the modders, but its the modder's choice to give said cut to whichever providers. Unless I'm reading this wrong?

StaciKrash wrote: Thanks a lot for replying, I'm not sure how to react to this tho

EDIT: thinking about I guess it's like the modders are donating instead of paying you, still I'm sure not everyone will see it that way

Eiries wrote: Hm. I guess its not a huge deal on the surface (modders opt in), but I feel any money generated from this scandal is dirty money, and playing any part of it at all is kind of questionable.

Then again it's coming out of Valve's pocket as a community-based "thanks for existing..." I dunno. I'll trust your judgement I suppose.

mznXII wrote: soo...
if modder felt obligated to nexus then
the modder could make steam/valve give nexus 1-5% of their 75%, but
its up to the modder to gave it or not

at least that's what i catch from Dark0ne's post

i hope i interpret it right

and LtRhapthorne, if you could say "Why should I believe anything you(Dark0ne) say?" you shouldn't easily believe what modder from steam/valve have to say too, to be fair

and i'm not intend to start an argument

SolidusEkans wrote: Did the Nexus know this? Were the Nexus also under NDA about this? Have the Nexus made any money out of this yet?
You should make things clear Dark0ne, or people will start to think you're a two faced liar. (I don't, just to be clear)

nope, that is exactly how it is...Nexus would have gotten a 1~5% cut if Chesko had checked them on his mod... ... ...... ... ...which he apparently didn't...or else it would have said on his mod "Service Providers: NexusMods"

[homeiswonderland]

In response to post #24601489. #24601644, #24601719, #24601884, #24601969, #24602009 are all replies on the same post.

PotatoHunter wrote:

homeiswonderland wrote: "We?" Please, speak for yourself...

PotatoHunter wrote: I've been going site to site, spreading the petition, fighting the good fight, and now I'm starting to feel betrayed and angry because I just found out about this. U'd feel the same too.

flamenx01 wrote: It's an opt-in (as in it's up to the modder) 1%-5% (of valves cut) donation to the nexus.

jl144740 wrote: Calm down they understand us, unlike Valve. Did Nexus tell you that there mods cost money(?) No so calm down

PotatoHunter wrote: Yeah I understand this, but they are the leaders of this community and they are speaking out against it. You can't speak out against something while having money trickle in your back pocket simultaneously, even if your upfront about it. Your on one side or another.

What's going on sucks. You're saying you just found out about the service providers thing? Let's take a step back, do a little more research, and let hurt feelings subside. Even if nexus is being a bit hypocritical (and I'm not saying they are), attacking them is not the thing to do right now. Let's just focus on mods not getting stolen and supporting those anxious modders who are hiding their mods out of fear.

[adragon82]

Look, I am all for donations being made available but the moment pay only mods becomes the norm is the day the entire community goes downhill fast.

 

How many mods are 100% original and not using some meshe/skeleton/effect from someone else?

 

It creates a hostile environment, competition...and not GOOD competition either.

 

How many of you played Spore? Or played Sims 2? They had a modding community that was BRUTAL to each other...Sims 2 at least had the Mod the Sims site where people worked together for free content and flourished, but outside of that website they were at each others throats and even lawsuits were filled.

 

The Nexus is an AMAZING site with an AMAZING community, lets not allow greed to poison it. Have a DONATE button where the Download/track/endorse/vote buttons are...have a small "you can donate to the author" message automatically/manually placed (by mod creator) at the top of every mod description.

 

Anything to keep the modding community working TOGETHER and allowing their resources to be used to create even MORE mods...because all of us, love these games and the mods make them beyond anything any gaming company could ever hope to create.

 

WE make these games the best ever created. Lets not lose sight of that.

[paragonskeep]

In response to post #24600654. #24600674, #24600714, #24600744, #24600914, #24601069, #24601314, #24601679, #24601744, #24601759, #24602074 are all replies on the same post.

StaciKrash wrote:

Dark0ne wrote: This one?

It's not hidden, it's on their service provider listing at the bottom of this page, which explains how it works. Mod authors select service providers who they think helped them in their modding, and in turn, the service provider gets between 1%-5% of Valve's cut of their profits, depending on how many service providers were picked by the mod author.

So the mod author opts in to it themselves, and the money comes from Valve's cut.

LtRhapthorne wrote: He either needs to make the Nexus paid for (killing it) or remove the Nexus as an option for service provider. Otherwise, he's double dipping.

LtRhapthorne wrote: So you're double dipping?

Why should I believe anything you say?

PickleJar wrote: Why not tell us you're taking a cut right from the get-go?

Shouldn't you have all your cards on the table (and on the table here, on your site, not buried in Valve's legal writings) if you really want to help everyone get through this to a peaceful conclusion?

Blademaster1215 wrote: The Nexus doesn't take a cut from every paid mod. From the way it's worded, Service Providers can be given donations by the modders, but its the modder's choice to give said cut to whichever providers. Unless I'm reading this wrong?

StaciKrash wrote: Thanks a lot for replying, I'm not sure how to react to this tho

EDIT: thinking about I guess it's like the modders are donating instead of paying you, still I'm sure not everyone will see it that way

Eiries wrote: Hm. I guess its not a huge deal on the surface (modders opt in), but I feel any money generated from this scandal is dirty money, and playing any part of it at all is kind of questionable.

Then again it's coming out of Valve's pocket as a community-based "thanks for existing..." I dunno. I'll trust your judgement I suppose.

mznXII wrote: soo...
if modder felt obligated to nexus then
the modder could make steam/valve give nexus 1-5% of their 75%, but
its up to the modder to gave it or not

at least that's what i catch from Dark0ne's post

i hope i interpret it right

and LtRhapthorne, if you could say "Why should I believe anything you(Dark0ne) say?" you shouldn't easily believe what modder from steam/valve have to say too, to be fair

and i'm not intend to start an argument

SolidusEkans wrote: Did the Nexus know this? Were the Nexus also under NDA about this? Have the Nexus made any money out of this yet?
You should make things clear Dark0ne, or people will start to think you're a two faced liar. (I don't, just to be clear)

jediakyrol wrote: nope, that is exactly how it is...Nexus would have gotten a 1~5% cut if Chesko had checked them on his mod... ... ...... ... ...which he apparently didn't...or else it would have said on his mod "Service Providers: NexusMods"

How would Nexus be "double dipping"?
It is up to the mod author not the Nexus to list the service provider.

[FillipeMattos]

In response to post #24601529. #24601674, #24601979, #24602339 are all replies on the same post.

FillipeMattos wrote:

visorak wrote: Valve/bethesda's option is making Nintendo's look like a way better deal (still isn't).

Blademaster1215 wrote: Posting a review is not the gaming companies content, it is critique of their content and protected under Fair Use laws, commentated gameplay walkthroughs are under the same protection. Don't eat what certain companies try to feed you.

Blademaster1215 wrote: Beyond Two Souls didn't sell because it was a bad game.

Life Is Strange didn't sell because it looked boring to most browsers.

The problem is that youtuber gamer reveal too spoiler.

You are able to watch an entire game on youtube watching all possible spoilers.

Games that look like interactive movies, example, Life is Strange, Beyond: Two Souls (and others) fail to sell because people have seen the whole game in the videos. Edited April 24, 2015 by FillipeMattos

[Finnien]

In response to post #24601489. #24601644, #24601719, #24601884, #24601969, #24602009, #24602079 are all replies on the same post.

PotatoHunter wrote:

homeiswonderland wrote: "We?" Please, speak for yourself...

PotatoHunter wrote: I've been going site to site, spreading the petition, fighting the good fight, and now I'm starting to feel betrayed and angry because I just found out about this. U'd feel the same too.

flamenx01 wrote: It's an opt-in (as in it's up to the modder) 1%-5% (of valves cut) donation to the nexus.

jl144740 wrote: Calm down they understand us, unlike Valve. Did Nexus tell you that there mods cost money(?) No so calm down

PotatoHunter wrote: Yeah I understand this, but they are the leaders of this community and they are speaking out against it. You can't speak out against something while having money trickle in your back pocket simultaneously, even if your upfront about it. Your on one side or another.

homeiswonderland wrote: What's going on sucks. You're saying you just found out about the service providers thing? Let's take a step back, do a little more research, and let hurt feelings subside. Even if nexus is being a bit hypocritical (and I'm not saying they are), attacking them is not the thing to do right now. Let's just focus on mods not getting stolen and supporting those anxious modders who are hiding their mods out of fear.

Do you have any idea how much a site like this costs to run? If Valve wants to pay a VERY small portion of its portion to Nexus, all it does is help keep free modding afloat. It's VERY clear that Nexus has every intention of not only keeping mods free, but of allowing modders here to actively work together against their mods being used in paid content.

Stow the righteous and misplaced anger, and actually read all the news posts. What you're proposing isn't just cutting off the nose to spite the face, it's cutting off your right leg to spite a toe on your left foot.

[appelpiman]

In response to post #24601099. #24601154, #24601174, #24601284, #24601304, #24601504, #24601634, #24601689, #24601769 are all replies on the same post.

CiderMuffin wrote:

merrydownjade wrote: I'm getting this too.
http://i.imgur.com/hIczjJj.png

MrTrigun wrote: Yeah..same here. Only the big bundle seems to be up.

Blademaster1215 wrote: I did say it a few minutes ago, but it got buried.

AlexandruRadu wrote: Same here guys I guess we won after all

Blademaster1215 wrote: Doubtful, could be a DDoS attack though?

TheEyelessWanderer wrote: I hope we won.

merrydownjade wrote: I wouldn't call this a victory yet.

TheEyelessWanderer wrote: Yeah...

*grasps my Amulet of Talos tightly*

Yep Just checked only the big bundle is up.

[WightMage]

In response to post #24600654. #24600674, #24600714, #24600744, #24600914, #24601069, #24601314, #24601679, #24601744, #24601759, #24602074, #24602134 are all replies on the same post.

StaciKrash wrote:

Dark0ne wrote: This one?

It's not hidden, it's on their service provider listing at the bottom of this page, which explains how it works. Mod authors select service providers who they think helped them in their modding, and in turn, the service provider gets between 1%-5% of Valve's cut of their profits, depending on how many service providers were picked by the mod author.

So the mod author opts in to it themselves, and the money comes from Valve's cut.

LtRhapthorne wrote: He either needs to make the Nexus paid for (killing it) or remove the Nexus as an option for service provider. Otherwise, he's double dipping.

LtRhapthorne wrote: So you're double dipping?

Why should I believe anything you say?

PickleJar wrote: Why not tell us you're taking a cut right from the get-go?

Shouldn't you have all your cards on the table (and on the table here, on your site, not buried in Valve's legal writings) if you really want to help everyone get through this to a peaceful conclusion?

Blademaster1215 wrote: The Nexus doesn't take a cut from every paid mod. From the way it's worded, Service Providers can be given donations by the modders, but its the modder's choice to give said cut to whichever providers. Unless I'm reading this wrong?

StaciKrash wrote: Thanks a lot for replying, I'm not sure how to react to this tho

EDIT: thinking about I guess it's like the modders are donating instead of paying you, still I'm sure not everyone will see it that way

Eiries wrote: Hm. I guess its not a huge deal on the surface (modders opt in), but I feel any money generated from this scandal is dirty money, and playing any part of it at all is kind of questionable.

Then again it's coming out of Valve's pocket as a community-based "thanks for existing..." I dunno. I'll trust your judgement I suppose.

mznXII wrote: soo...
if modder felt obligated to nexus then
the modder could make steam/valve give nexus 1-5% of their 75%, but
its up to the modder to gave it or not

at least that's what i catch from Dark0ne's post

i hope i interpret it right

and LtRhapthorne, if you could say "Why should I believe anything you(Dark0ne) say?" you shouldn't easily believe what modder from steam/valve have to say too, to be fair

and i'm not intend to start an argument

SolidusEkans wrote: Did the Nexus know this? Were the Nexus also under NDA about this? Have the Nexus made any money out of this yet?
You should make things clear Dark0ne, or people will start to think you're a two faced liar. (I don't, just to be clear)

jediakyrol wrote: nope, that is exactly how it is...Nexus would have gotten a 1~5% cut if Chesko had checked them on his mod... ... ...... ... ...which he apparently didn't...or else it would have said on his mod "Service Providers: NexusMods"

paragonskeep wrote: How would Nexus be "double dipping"?
It is up to the mod author not the Nexus to list the service provider.

I too would like a clarification, please.

[TheStrictNein]

In response to post #24601269. #24601559, #24601594, #24601624, #24601734, #24601784, #24601844, #24601874, #24601894, #24602004, #24602019 are all replies on the same post.

joeyweast22 wrote:

hector530 wrote: are people even gonna read before posting conspiracy theories?

LtRhapthorne wrote: Well, Dark0ne is already taking money from Valve, so I wouldn't think it to long before Valve and Bethesda make them start charging for mods or threaten them with legal action.

visorak wrote: They've stated repeatedly that they will NEVER charge for mods.

Milleuros wrote: Nexus receives up to 5% of Valve's part for each mod sold, if the mod author has listed the Nexus as a service provider. This is something that Nexus agreed to. In other words, Nexus has signed a contract with Valve and is supporting the new economy around mods.

What's next ?

wallacemre61 wrote: LOL

TheEyelessWanderer wrote: LtRhapthorne, your whistleblowing is getting ridiculous. Maybe you ought to sit this one out.

WightMage wrote: Where is this proof?

sergiorr90 wrote: Do you even read? :V

pizzapicante27 wrote: Dude READ THE POST

pizzapicante27 wrote: Ahm, no, I dont think so

Maybe you ought to let me continue to resist what is a f*#@ing in the ass from the big legal dick of valve and bethesda?

[TheEyelessWanderer]

In response to post #24600654. #24600674, #24600714, #24600744, #24600914, #24601069, #24601314, #24601679, #24601744, #24601759, #24602074, #24602134, #24602279 are all replies on the same post.

StaciKrash wrote:

Dark0ne wrote: This one?

It's not hidden, it's on their service provider listing at the bottom of this page, which explains how it works. Mod authors select service providers who they think helped them in their modding, and in turn, the service provider gets between 1%-5% of Valve's cut of their profits, depending on how many service providers were picked by the mod author.

So the mod author opts in to it themselves, and the money comes from Valve's cut.

LtRhapthorne wrote: He either needs to make the Nexus paid for (killing it) or remove the Nexus as an option for service provider. Otherwise, he's double dipping.

LtRhapthorne wrote: So you're double dipping?

Why should I believe anything you say?

PickleJar wrote: Why not tell us you're taking a cut right from the get-go?

Shouldn't you have all your cards on the table (and on the table here, on your site, not buried in Valve's legal writings) if you really want to help everyone get through this to a peaceful conclusion?

Blademaster1215 wrote: The Nexus doesn't take a cut from every paid mod. From the way it's worded, Service Providers can be given donations by the modders, but its the modder's choice to give said cut to whichever providers. Unless I'm reading this wrong?

StaciKrash wrote: Thanks a lot for replying, I'm not sure how to react to this tho

EDIT: thinking about I guess it's like the modders are donating instead of paying you, still I'm sure not everyone will see it that way

Eiries wrote: Hm. I guess its not a huge deal on the surface (modders opt in), but I feel any money generated from this scandal is dirty money, and playing any part of it at all is kind of questionable.

Then again it's coming out of Valve's pocket as a community-based "thanks for existing..." I dunno. I'll trust your judgement I suppose.

mznXII wrote: soo...
if modder felt obligated to nexus then
the modder could make steam/valve give nexus 1-5% of their 75%, but
its up to the modder to gave it or not

at least that's what i catch from Dark0ne's post

i hope i interpret it right

and LtRhapthorne, if you could say "Why should I believe anything you(Dark0ne) say?" you shouldn't easily believe what modder from steam/valve have to say too, to be fair

and i'm not intend to start an argument

SolidusEkans wrote: Did the Nexus know this? Were the Nexus also under NDA about this? Have the Nexus made any money out of this yet?
You should make things clear Dark0ne, or people will start to think you're a two faced liar. (I don't, just to be clear)

jediakyrol wrote: nope, that is exactly how it is...Nexus would have gotten a 1~5% cut if Chesko had checked them on his mod... ... ...... ... ...which he apparently didn't...or else it would have said on his mod "Service Providers: NexusMods"

paragonskeep wrote: How would Nexus be "double dipping"?
It is up to the mod author not the Nexus to list the service provider.

WightMage wrote: I too would like a clarification, please.

Give the man (Dark0ne) some time to formulate an official statement on the matter. I'm sure he has a lot of stuff to deal with right now. And don't be so hasty to cast judgement and resentment over a situation that literally NONE of us have the clarity of.

This site has stood as a sentinel for modding for many years, and I highly doubt that he's throwing it down the drain with any of this. While we are all part of this wonderful community, Dark0ne is the leader. So give the man a chance, and stop backing him into a fox hole.