CTD On Save

[Zelsaard]

I would like to preface this by saying that I am currently unsure if this is a problem with Skyrim itself, or with mods (though it seems to go beyond mods) so if this topic needs to be moved to the mod troubleshooting forum instead, please let me know. Additionally, I apologize in advance for the wall of text, but I figure that more than enough information is better than less.

 

My Skyrim is currently experiencing CTD's when I attempt to save the game; however, it is not a blanket CTD per se. Currently, this save ctd only occurs in specific cells; for example, ifI travel to the cell outside of Whiterun and save I have no problems but if I save anywhere around Falkreath it crashes Furthermore, if I wait for a day in the same Whiterun cell which functions perfectly, the game will CTD when I attempt to save after the wait period. I have dozens of hours on the character with which this issue first began arising (which is why I cannot attribute it to any particular mod, my load order has not changed since the inception of the character); at first I thought it was a corrupted save or isolated issue to that specific character, after attempting to create a new character I know that this is not the case. After creating said new character and attempting to save right after the character creation (using the Alternate Start mod) the CTD was present as it was on the ongoing character.

 

The issue first arose after completing the Dark Brotherhood side quest to kill Agnis, the first CTD occurred within the fort prisons when I attempted to save. After the crash I reloaded to guarantee that the problem was consistent, and not a one-off; after verifying that it was consistent, I searched the web for solutions and attempted a number of them (including the self kill method and cleaning orphan scripts and refers using the proper tools). I appeared to have success initially with reloading a previous save before entering the fort and completing the quest again; I was able to save within the premises of the fort. However, I was unable to exit the fort to the exterior cell; using the coc whiterun command to leave (seeing as I would have been stuck otherwise), I was capable of saving within the Whiterun cell.

 

I then returned to the Dark Brotherhood sanctuary to turn in the quest (assuming that the problem was solved -- or at least isolated to the fort, as I was able to save in Whiterun), at which time I attempted to save within the sanctuary but crashed again. At this point I decided to test the extent of the problem, travelling to various points within Skyrim and attempting to save; suffice it to say, the crash occurs in more regions than it does not. Seeing that the problem does not seem to be mod related or tied to a specific save or character, I moved on to attempt solving the problem as if it were a problem with the Skyrim files. After attempting the common fixes (including file revalidation) and a few others I found through research, the problem persists. Thus, I am here, asking for the assistance of the Nexus community on the issue.

 

A final note, I do use ENB, specifically the RealVision settings with version 0.266 (the latest). The only settings I have changed are to set the memory settings significantly higher (the video memory reserved is set to max and the reserved memory is set for 34GB, well within the range of my system specs below).

 

I have provided both my system specs and mod load order below (and yes the load order has been run through LOOT, checked multiple times, all of the correct patches and cleaning procedures, etc.). I appreciate any help that can be given and would greatly prefer to not reinstall Skyrim (again) if it all possible.

 

System Specifications:

 

Processor: Intel Core i7-3960X Hexacore @ 3.3GHz
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GTX 970 (x2) in SLI
RAM: 64GB
Hard Drive Space: 2TB (x2) HDDs
Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit + Service Pack 1

 

 

Load Order:

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Dawnguard.esm
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
HearthFires.esm
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
Falskaar.esm
Wyrmstooth.esp
ApachiiHair.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ApachiiHairMales.esm
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
JSwords.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
RSkyrimChildren.esm
Solstheim Climate Overhaul.esm
TERAArmors.esm
SkyUI.esp
AchieveThat.esp
AMatterOfTime.esp
AncientTonguesGreatSword.esp
AncientTonguesSword.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
ELFX - Dragonborn.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
PredatorsLostTribesV1.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
ELFX - Dawnguard.esp
Betterland.esp
SkyRe_Main.esp
ApachiiHairStyles.esp
BetterQuestObjectives.esp
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
PredatorsRaceCompatability.esp
DarkbroSanctuary.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
SkyRe EEOEC.esp
ApachiiHairStylesELVES.esp
BCS - RSM Patch.esp
BCS - OB Patch.esp
BCS - ASM Patch.esp
BCS - EBS Patch After.esp
BCS - EBS Patch Before.esp
BCS - RALSS Patch.esp
BCS - CCOR Patch.esp
Beards.esp
ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp
LC_BecomeJarlofIvarstead.esp
SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB + FS + WT.esp
Thieves Guild Redone.esp
MoreBanditCamps(Explorer'sEdition).esp
OBIS.esp
OBISDB.esp
Civil War Overhaul.esp
Birdsofskyrim.esp
BetterDocks-MP-DLC-Compatible.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-SkyRePatch.esp
BFSEffects.esp
Brows.esp
Cazy Hairs-by zzjay.esp
CazyMale.esp
CharacterMakingExtender.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
Convenient Horses - Unique Frost.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp
Daedric Lord Armor.esp
DarkNemesis.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
DeadlyMonsters.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
DynamicMerchants.esp
SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp
CornerofTheSkyrim.esp
WetandCold.esp
WetandCold - Holidays.esp
LocalizedGuildJobs.esp
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-ThievesGuildRequirementsPatch.esp
FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
Fh hairs-by zzjay.esp
Frostmourne.esp
Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp
Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Weightless).esp
Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Weightless).esp
Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (PseudoVanilla).esp
HoddminirGrassPlants.esp
iHUD.esp
Naruto - Overhaul.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul - BS version.esp
Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp
Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
jutsu.esp
Tera Armor Level List.esp
UchihaClan.esp
throneroom.esp
Better Vampires ML.esp
BFT Ships and Carriages.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
Cloaks.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp
UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-UFOPatch.esp
LC_immersiveLoot.esp
buildablehouse.esp
LCJarofIvarsteadExpansionGirlsPack.esp
DeadlyMutilation.esp
JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp
SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
KRZ - Better Archmage Quarters.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
SkyRe_StandingStones.esp
SkyRe_Races.esp
Bandit Patrols.esp
SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp
Chesko_Frostfall.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
Vampirelordroyal.esp
isilNarsil.esp
Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-MoonlightPatch.esp
BlackSacramentArmor.esp
SkyRe_Combat.esp
Sneak Tools.esp
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
Ish's Souls to Perks.esp
Marriable Serana.esp
My Home Is Your Home.esp
ApachiiHelmetWigs.esp
Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp
Apocalypse - SkyRe Compatibility Patch.esp
Apocalypse - More Apocalypse - SkyRe Compatibility Patch.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp
SBF All In One + DLC.esp
BVFE_Serana.esp
BVMLandRB_Formlist.esp
Extended Slider Colors.esp
FNISspells.esp
Grassification_SFO.esp
GrassOnSteroids_NaturalEdition_SFO.esp
Inconsequential NPCs - Enhancement.esp
JSwords_Load_Screens.esp
LeftHandRings.esp
LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp
Lich King's Armor.esp
Lock Overhaul.esp
LustmordVampireArmor.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
N_43 Hair Pack.esp
OBISCloaks&IA7.esp
PC Exclusive Animation Path - Argonian.esp
PC Exclusive Animation Path - Breton.esp
PC Exclusive Animation Path - DarkElf.esp
PC Exclusive Animation Path - HighElf.esp
PC Exclusive Animation Path - Imperial.esp
PC Exclusive Animation Path - Khajiit.esp
PC Exclusive Animation Path - Nord.esp
PC Exclusive Animation Path - ORC.esp
PC Exclusive Animation Path - RedGuard.esp
PC Exclusive Animation Path - WoodElf.esp
Player Size Adjuster.esp
Predator Vision.esp
PumpingIron.esp
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
RaceMenuPluginXPMSE.esp
RevampedExteriorFog.esp
RSChildren - Complete.esp
Killable Children.esp
Killable Children - Quest Important Protected.esp
Babette.esp
PC Exclusive Animation Path - 0 - Main.esp
RSChildren_NonPlayableOverride.esp
RSChildren_PatchUSKP.esp
SFO - Dragonborn.esp
SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp
SkyRe_Survivalism.esp
GuildStarter.esp
Skysan_Icicle.esp
Smithing Perks Overhaul - Balanced.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
Solstheim Climate Overhaul - COT compatibility.esp
Solstheim Climate Overhaul - Paradise Island Patch.esp
Spousetocustomhome.esp
TERA Weapons.esp
TERAArmors_CBBE.esp
The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
TheOneMask.esp
ThievesGuildReq_LocalizedGuildJobs_Patch.esp
TrueStorms.esp
TrueStorms-CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp
TrueStorms-SupremeStorms-CoT.esp
UchihaClan_RemoveSpellTomes.esp
UFO - Dragonborn AddOn.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
UnreadBooksGlow.esp
VioLens.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Pre Automatic Variants IC Patch.esp
Pre ReProccer WA Fixes UU IW IA Patch.esp
PreASISPatchEEOIW.esp
ReProccer.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp
qotsafans Books + Book Covers Skyrim HF Patch.esp
qotsafans EEO JSwords Patch.esp
qotsafans Ingestibles HF Patch.esp
qotsafans LeveledLists JSwords IW IA Patch.esp
qotsafans Miscellaneous ReProccer + IA Patch.esp

 

[vram1974]

Have you tried cleaning the junk from your save:

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?

[Zelsaard]

Yes, the save has been run through the script cleaner as well as the save cleaner tool to remove conflicting references, the crashes still occur.

[vram1974]

Perhaps the last few lines of your Papyrus script might offer some clues?

[Zelsaard]

Below is the last chunk of the log. All I did was load up my save and wait 24 hours before saving in the Whiterun cell mentioned in the first post. Additionally, I can post the rest of the log if necessary, but it's just initialization stuff for various mods.

 

Papyrus Log:

 

stack:
[ (00064962)].PF_StonehillsSirgarCarryLumbe_00064962.Fragment_1() - "PF_StonehillsSirgarCarryLumbe_00064962.psc" Line 27
[04/25/2015 - 01:10:00PM] Error: Method SetActorOwner not found on AKPSFurnitureScript. Aborting call and returning None
stack:
[ (000199CF)].RentRoomScript.ClearRoom() - "RentRoomScript.psc" Line 24
[ (000199CF)].RentRoomScript.OnUpdateGameTime() - "RentRoomScript.psc" Line 32
[04/25/2015 - 01:10:02PM] VM is freezing...
[04/25/2015 - 01:10:02PM] VM is frozen

 

[Zelsaard]

Bump.

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Seeing a lot of people with this same issue. It started happening to me suddenly, and I can't begin to guess what's causing it but I *have* noticed that the crash seems to corrupt the entire load area.

 

The only way for me to get back to playing is to go to a save (auto save or manual) from a different area.

 

I'm probably not using the right terms so for example; if you are in Mzulft making your way through the Boilery, then try to enter the Aedrome and The game crashes, the Boilery is then "corrupted" and while you can *load* any of your saves from that area and continue playing, if you try to save or enter another area (triggering an auto save) the game will crash.

 

If I load a save from another location (the antechamber or anywhere else in Skyrim), everything is fine and I am able to save as many times as I like.

 

I can't tell you how much this sucked when I was almost done collecting all the Crimson Nirnroot from Blackreach. I've lost a lot of progress and game time but at least I can eventually keep going.

[Zelsaard]

Unfortunately loading a previous save only seems to prolong the inevitable. Eventually the issue reoccurs and I'm back to the same problem. Furthermore, my crashes are not isolated to the region of original occurrence, but are spread over the majority of the areas in Skyrim. Also, I don't have any automatic save methods active (all of mine are completely manual saves) so this does not happen during area transitions anyway.

 

Thanks for posting the suggestion though, I appreciate someone trying to assist.

[Zelsaard]

Bump.

[vram1974]

Do you run ENB injector prior to playing your game?