Steam and Bethesda remove paid modding from Skyrim Workshop

[Vesuvius1745]

In response to post #24801759. #24802244 is also a reply to the same post.

DaddyDirection wrote:

greggorypeccary wrote: Read my post, I used the nexus and it was very nice. It is a little blind to the fact that it does very well on the labors of un paid modders. It does not share the wealth with the ones that earn it for them. since you get free mods it seems fine to you. If you read my post I think you'll find that what I find is shameful really is that the nexus expects you to pay the modders. I think most of that onus is on them.

The dirty secret here is Greggory gets free mods too. He's been enjoying the work of other people in the community for years. He's used the free utilities and resources provided to the community for free as well. But instead of paying-it-forward like all of the mod authors whose work he has enjoyed, he now wants to profit off of what others have allowed him to do.

[OiramX5]

In response to post #24800594. #24801939 is also a reply to the same post.

OiramX5 wrote:

beewyka819 wrote: The modders are fully aware that many people still support them. That's not why some are removing their mods, they're doing it to prove a point. And what makes you any different from the haters? Oh, so you didn't like Nightasy's decision so you go and s#*! of him and other modders, that's exactly what the haters do. A true supporter would support the modder no matter what his decision on the publicity of his mods are, as long as the reasons don't include being an ***hole or anything along those lines. I for example, emailed Chesko and mentioned how I will support him through and through, no matter what his choice is, to stop modding, to continue, etc. THAT is a true fan, NOT someone that turns the other way because they got butthurt because everything didn't go their way.

beewyka81

There a difference between support something and mindless follow without question, I support the modders but I not approve the actions of some, like this kind of thing.

Well, the only point they prove to me doing this is they only care about haters and give a **** to who support them or have supported all this time. I dont like, dont approve, dont think this is fair with the supporters, but in any moment I have **** on him.

And Chesko unlike Nightasy, Foxster and Nodoric (Just to name a few) dont have gone angry and remove all his content because the haters, and Chesko suffered much more than him but dont turn blind eye to the supporters, that's the point. Edited April 29, 2015 by OiramX5

[captainjack99]

If publishers can come together with modding websites and create a youtube structure, then modders (who are good) can get pain through the same means that youtubers get paid. I don't trust Vavle, and after this I don't think anyone especially modders should either. My hope is that it between the publishers and sites like Nexus, with no middle man like Vavle to make this happen.

 

I believe modes should continue to be free, but people have to understand that we live in a new era where now an artist from all forms of art can get paid now. I think anyone who artistically gifted should have the opportunity to turn what they love to do as a 9 - 5, and be their own boss. As for the disrespect towards modders, that was unnecessary. I don’t blame modders for taking down there mods, and thinking twice about supporting a community that had no problem joining a firing squad to take you down. I hope things can go back to where it was, but only time will tell.

 

At the end of the day, the one company that people really need to be mad at, which isn’t getting hit enough right now is Vavle. The mod community vs modders thing that going right now is giving them an easy pass to sneak away from the drama, and plan their next move.

 

[iXenite]

 

In response to post #24801964.

 

 

 

Axeface wrote:

Well done story but it forgets to factor in:

-Licensing (Most free modelling software do not let you sell work made on it, you need to fork out a grand for the full version).

-Lack of quality assurance (someone on imgur reviewed all the paid mods, needless to say, most of their quality was lacking and there were bugs galore)

-Risk of modder who stops supporting his/her mod in case an update breaks it.

-Incompatibility between mods

 

I could go on, but I believe I made my point. The issue goes far beyond "I want to make money off my work" and "I do not want to pay a dime for a mod". Best not to use a strawman when making a point.

 

 

Very well said. This is why Patreon or FundMe approaches are much better alternatives. Modding is designed to be for fun. Something to share with the community. Making people pay for mods turns mods into microtransactions and DLC, and the modern gaming environment has enough as it is. But I guess some people like the idea of seeing thousands of Horse Armour and Hearthfires out in the marketplace.

[beewyka819]

In response to post #24799164. #24799594, #24801449, #24801539, #24801584, #24801689, #24801784, #24801834, #24801889, #24802154, #24802374, #24802474 are all replies on the same post.

Vesuvius1745 wrote:

greggorypeccary wrote: Spoken like someone with no files. I wonder how many mods are in your load order?

Vesuvius1745 wrote: How many mods are in yours? I am not going to explain any contributions I may or may not have made to the community because that is a red herring and irrelevant.

Bottom line:

If you want to make money doing this sort of thing--get a job at a game company.

Upset that you can't sell your latest greatest mod? If it's so high quality that it's worth money--peddle it to a game company.

Otherwise, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. The modding community has been doing just fine for over 15 years without a single person being paid a cent. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

greggorypeccary wrote: An as long as you get free mods you like it that way. I'm not surprised . But be aware I am not alone in my thoughts.

freedom613 wrote: Vesuvius, Greggory;

What would you think of Patreon? OpenWorldAddict made a post about it:

"I have an idea for modders.... why not use Patreon. I know a lot of modders from other communities that have patreon accounts that allow people that want to support them to pay want they want either per month or for each mod that is uploaded or updated.

I think the way patreon works would be great for the modders and the community. Not It allows people who really want to support their favorite content creators and have the money to due so, but it also ensures that the modders will make enough money for those high paying patrons and thus be able to provide their content for free to the rest of the community who can't afford to even pay donations.

That is my idea, and I think it is a great one."

This has worked with Youtubers and Minecrafters, I see no reason why it cannot work with Skyrim?

greggorypeccary wrote: I'm not familiar with it. But all options are open.

Vesuvius1745 wrote: And YOU get free mods also, don't you? You've probably downloaded hundreds of free mods on multiple games. You have used the fruits of OTHER PEOPLE's labor for your own enjoyment, or used them to create your own stuff, or "borrowed" resources, or have something or other that relies on something else.

You people are shortsighted, and your greed is sickening. Modders have been donating their work to this community for over a decade without any expectation--other than people pay-it-forward. People with actual marketable programming skills have donated COUNTLESS HOURS of their time to give this community FREE resources and utilities just to encourage them to put out more mods. I bet you have at least a half a dozen of those utilities and resources on your computer right now. Modding is and always has been a group effort, and this is what you people fail to understand. In your narcissism and arrogance you feel you are entitled to stand on the shoulders of others and profit off of that.

arxerisdam wrote: What you say is true, the elder scrolls community as always been an open source community sharing between everyone to create better stuff.

With all the crying and saddness from modders, as anyone has stoping feel sorry for himiself and think.

"Ok i want to make money out of this. Now, HOW im going to convince mod-users to pay for this?"

Because in the end is they who are going to buy the mods, if not who else?

because i doubt you sell as much as downloads you have in some of the most popular mods really.

And the really whats chesko did uploading a paid mod without asking permission from Fore's was really a big mistake and bring another more urgent problem the stealing of work from others. and thast a big problem because all you have in this kind of community is your reputation and i bet that hurt him at least a little.

So instead of whining and crying you need to start thnking how you will sell the idea to mod users (customers with money) to buy your mods because i suspect the next fallout or elder scrolls game will try this again.

They see mods like a source of future income, and it can be a very lucrative one.

As long the players are willing to buy mods.

freedom613 wrote: Patreon is a nutshell works like Kickstarter does but with donations instead of crowd funding. If I donate $1/mo the modder rewards me with screenshots of the upcoming versions. If I donate $10/mo the modder lets me beta test. If I donate $30/mo, the modder may put my name in the credits.

Basically, when you donate, you are rewarded with a Gift Basket. Think going to your mate's birthday in elementary school and you "donated" him a present and in return you got a goody bag with a piece of chocolate or what not.

Vesuvius1745 wrote: @Freedom I understand your position, and I am totally cool with donations to mod authors (and have donated, and encourage others to do so).

Most of the mod authors in this community are great, and their work is appreciated. I am shocked by the behavior I have seen from a small but vocal percentage of mod authors. I am disgusted by the entitlement mentality they have, and the belief that they feel they should be allowed to profit off of other people's work, or incorporate free resources other people have donated for free into their work, and then profit off of that. I am dismayed by the temper tantrums I have seen from these people; some modders taking their marbles and running home (several of them removing all of their mods from the Nexus and saying, "If I can't get paid, f*#@ you!"

In another thread a mod author even admitted she has downloaded over a TB of free mods from the Nexus, and has never donated a cent to either Nexus, or another mod author. I think that pretty much sums up the problem I have with these people.

I do think one good thing will come from all of this: that this situation will cull the greedy pieces of excrement who are trying to make a money grab from the community of passionate and dedicated mod authors.

Marstonn wrote: I think isn't allowed to the modders get a patreon to make mods, and is forbid announce the patreon in the page mod.

sunshinenbrick wrote: I have been thinking about this and I feel, if and when this is rolled out again (cuz it probably will), how do we know games won't be bundled with three swords, two shields and one player home... the rest you have to buy.

I think if we have paid for mods they should really only be a very select few that make it to that prestige. Donations are great for any situation but many of the mods actually worth buying took a couple of years to appear.

The point is they've been being generous, so they deserve to be allowed to make money of of their work if they so decide to. You are being irrational, yes it has been functioning without money flow. But you seem to forget that what's more important than you being happy because YOU are a greedy human that can't give up at least 1 dollar for something is that these modders are human beings, not some money demons, the only reason they'd ask for money off of mods is if they need it, if they don't, they'll make it free, if they need it, they'll make it paid for only so they can get by in life. For example, I think the creator of say, Falskaar, deserves to earn a decent size of cash for it. You say no, because he's "generous" anyway, dude, that's cold, if he wants to sell it he should, and you should have zero say in the matter, because, last time I checked, you didn't spend a year of your life coding Falskaar, he did. So if he want's to earn some money to earn that year back, then he's damn well allowed to, but he doesn't need to because Bungie hired him because of the mod, but if that wasn't the case. He probably would've re-released it as paid, and no one would have the right to tell him otherwise, unless they're low-life pillocks. Edited April 29, 2015 by beewyka819

[sunshinenbrick]

In response to post #24799164. #24799594, #24801449, #24801539, #24801584, #24801689, #24801784, #24801834, #24801889, #24802154, #24802374, #24802439, #24802544, #24802754 are all replies on the same post.

Vesuvius1745 wrote:

greggorypeccary wrote: Spoken like someone with no files. I wonder how many mods are in your load order?

Vesuvius1745 wrote: How many mods are in yours? I am not going to explain any contributions I may or may not have made to the community because that is a red herring and irrelevant.

Bottom line:

If you want to make money doing this sort of thing--get a job at a game company.

Upset that you can't sell your latest greatest mod? If it's so high quality that it's worth money--peddle it to a game company.

Otherwise, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. The modding community has been doing just fine for over 15 years without a single person being paid a cent. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

greggorypeccary wrote: An as long as you get free mods you like it that way. I'm not surprised . But be aware I am not alone in my thoughts.

freedom613 wrote: Vesuvius, Greggory;

What would you think of Patreon? OpenWorldAddict made a post about it:

"I have an idea for modders.... why not use Patreon. I know a lot of modders from other communities that have patreon accounts that allow people that want to support them to pay want they want either per month or for each mod that is uploaded or updated.

I think the way patreon works would be great for the modders and the community. Not It allows people who really want to support their favorite content creators and have the money to due so, but it also ensures that the modders will make enough money for those high paying patrons and thus be able to provide their content for free to the rest of the community who can't afford to even pay donations.

That is my idea, and I think it is a great one."

This has worked with Youtubers and Minecrafters, I see no reason why it cannot work with Skyrim?

greggorypeccary wrote: I'm not familiar with it. But all options are open.

Vesuvius1745 wrote: And YOU get free mods also, don't you? You've probably downloaded hundreds of free mods on multiple games. You have used the fruits of OTHER PEOPLE's labor for your own enjoyment, or used them to create your own stuff, or "borrowed" resources, or have something or other that relies on something else.

You people are shortsighted, and your greed is sickening. Modders have been donating their work to this community for over a decade without any expectation--other than people pay-it-forward. People with actual marketable programming skills have donated COUNTLESS HOURS of their time to give this community FREE resources and utilities just to encourage them to put out more mods. I bet you have at least a half a dozen of those utilities and resources on your computer right now. Modding is and always has been a group effort, and this is what you people fail to understand. In your narcissism and arrogance you feel you are entitled to stand on the shoulders of others and profit off of that.

arxerisdam wrote: What you say is true, the elder scrolls community as always been an open source community sharing between everyone to create better stuff.

With all the crying and saddness from modders, as anyone has stoping feel sorry for himiself and think.

"Ok i want to make money out of this. Now, HOW im going to convince mod-users to pay for this?"

Because in the end is they who are going to buy the mods, if not who else?

because i doubt you sell as much as downloads you have in some of the most popular mods really.

And the really whats chesko did uploading a paid mod without asking permission from Fore's was really a big mistake and bring another more urgent problem the stealing of work from others. and thast a big problem because all you have in this kind of community is your reputation and i bet that hurt him at least a little.

So instead of whining and crying you need to start thnking how you will sell the idea to mod users (customers with money) to buy your mods because i suspect the next fallout or elder scrolls game will try this again.

They see mods like a source of future income, and it can be a very lucrative one.

As long the players are willing to buy mods.

freedom613 wrote: Patreon is a nutshell works like Kickstarter does but with donations instead of crowd funding. If I donate $1/mo the modder rewards me with screenshots of the upcoming versions. If I donate $10/mo the modder lets me beta test. If I donate $30/mo, the modder may put my name in the credits.

Basically, when you donate, you are rewarded with a Gift Basket. Think going to your mate's birthday in elementary school and you "donated" him a present and in return you got a goody bag with a piece of chocolate or what not.

Vesuvius1745 wrote: @Freedom I understand your position, and I am totally cool with donations to mod authors (and have donated, and encourage others to do so).

Most of the mod authors in this community are great, and their work is appreciated. I am shocked by the behavior I have seen from a small but vocal percentage of mod authors. I am disgusted by the entitlement mentality they have, and the belief that they feel they should be allowed to profit off of other people's work, or incorporate free resources other people have donated for free into their work, and then profit off of that. I am dismayed by the temper tantrums I have seen from these people; some modders taking their marbles and running home (several of them removing all of their mods from the Nexus and saying, "If I can't get paid, f*#@ you!"

In another thread a mod author even admitted she has downloaded over a TB of free mods from the Nexus, and has never donated a cent to either Nexus, or another mod author. I think that pretty much sums up the problem I have with these people.

I do think one good thing will come from all of this: that this situation will cull the greedy pieces of excrement who are trying to make a money grab from the community of passionate and dedicated mod authors.

Marstonn wrote: I think isn't allowed to the modders get a patreon to make mods, and is forbid announce the patreon in the page mod.

beewyka819 wrote: The point is they've been being generous, so they deserve to be allowed to make money of of their work if they so decide to. You are being irrational, yes it has been functioning without money flow. But you seem to forget that what's more important than you being happy because YOU are a greedy human that can't give up at least 1 dollar for something is that these modders are human beings, not some money demons, the only reason they'd ask for money off of mods is if they need it, if they don't, they'll make it free, if they need it, they'll make it paid for only so they can get by in life. For example, I think the creator of say, Falskaar, deserves to earn a decent size of cash for it. You say no, because he's "generous" anyway, dude, that's cold, if he wants to sell it he should, and you should have zero say in the matter, because, last time I checked, you didn't spend a year of your life coding Falskaar, he did. So if he want's to earn some money to earn that year back, then he's damn well allowed to, but he doesn't need to because Bungie hired him because of the mod, but if that wasn't the case. He probably would've re-released it as paid, and no one would have the right to tell him otherwise, unless they're low-life pillocks.

greggorypeccary wrote: Careful you'll hurt yourself trying to be insulting without getting banned.

Vesuvius1745 wrote: Sunshine, that is what I was saying in my original post. Game companies over the years have been releasing their games earlier and earlier, and in increasingly unfinished stages. It's to the point where people are now for all intents and purposes paying to Beta test their games for them (Skyrim vanilla, for example, is full of bugs and barely playable as-is. It needed at least 6 more months of development).

If game companies get a whiff of the prospect that their customers will finish their games for them, fix the bugs (unofficial skyrim patches anyone?), AND they can still make a profit off of that, we'll go even further down the rabbit hole than we already are.

I have been thinking about this and I feel, if and when this is rolled out again (cuz it probably will), how do we know games won't be bundled with three swords, two shields and one player home... the rest you have to make yourself or buy.

I think if we have paid for mods they should really only be a very select few that make it to that prestige. Donations are great for any situation but many of the mods actually worth buying took a couple of years to appear. Mainly because of the bugged out state of the original game, let's not forget that some mods took a while to fix in between Bethesda official patches. This to and fro of responsibility could just destroy the whole idea of paid for mods in the end anyway... Edited April 29, 2015 by sunshinenbrick

[Axeface]

In response to post #24801964. #24802149 is also a reply to the same post.

Axeface wrote:

freedom613 wrote: Well done story but it forgets to factor in:
-Licencing (Most free modeling software do not let you sell work made on it, you need to fork out a grand for the full version).
-Lack of quality assurance (someone on imgur reviewed all the paid mods, needless to say, most of their quality was lacking and there were bugs galore)
-Risk of modder who stops supporting his/her mod incase an update breaks it.
-Incompatibility between mods

I could go on, but I believe I made my point. The issue goes far beyond "I want to make money off my work" and "I do not want to pay a dime for a mod". Best not to use a strawman when making a point.

"Licensing" - irrelevant. It isn't your job, bethesdas or valves to police modders.
"Quality" - Agreed yet subjective, this is why they should have made it curated. But this was an experiment with that exact aim, to see what it's like if it isn't, imho. But we didnt even get to see what would happen, and were unfortunately inundated by troll mods in the 'review' section.
"Risk/Incompatibility" - As above, and irrelevant. It isn't up to you to tell people where to spend their money. There is risk in everything.

Yes the issue goes beyond, will have problems, and the implimentation had major issues. But to deny modders the chance... well. Edited April 29, 2015 by Axeface

[greggorypeccary]

In response to post #24799164. #24799594, #24801449, #24801539, #24801584, #24801689, #24801784, #24801834, #24801889, #24802154, #24802374, #24802439, #24802474 are all replies on the same post.

Vesuvius1745 wrote:

greggorypeccary wrote: Spoken like someone with no files. I wonder how many mods are in your load order?

Vesuvius1745 wrote: How many mods are in yours? I am not going to explain any contributions I may or may not have made to the community because that is a red herring and irrelevant.

Bottom line:

If you want to make money doing this sort of thing--get a job at a game company.

Upset that you can't sell your latest greatest mod? If it's so high quality that it's worth money--peddle it to a game company.

Otherwise, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. The modding community has been doing just fine for over 15 years without a single person being paid a cent. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

greggorypeccary wrote: An as long as you get free mods you like it that way. I'm not surprised . But be aware I am not alone in my thoughts.

freedom613 wrote: Vesuvius, Greggory;

What would you think of Patreon? OpenWorldAddict made a post about it:

"I have an idea for modders.... why not use Patreon. I know a lot of modders from other communities that have patreon accounts that allow people that want to support them to pay want they want either per month or for each mod that is uploaded or updated.

I think the way patreon works would be great for the modders and the community. Not It allows people who really want to support their favorite content creators and have the money to due so, but it also ensures that the modders will make enough money for those high paying patrons and thus be able to provide their content for free to the rest of the community who can't afford to even pay donations.

That is my idea, and I think it is a great one."

This has worked with Youtubers and Minecrafters, I see no reason why it cannot work with Skyrim?

greggorypeccary wrote: I'm not familiar with it. But all options are open.

Vesuvius1745 wrote: And YOU get free mods also, don't you? You've probably downloaded hundreds of free mods on multiple games. You have used the fruits of OTHER PEOPLE's labor for your own enjoyment, or used them to create your own stuff, or "borrowed" resources, or have something or other that relies on something else.

You people are shortsighted, and your greed is sickening. Modders have been donating their work to this community for over a decade without any expectation--other than people pay-it-forward. People with actual marketable programming skills have donated COUNTLESS HOURS of their time to give this community FREE resources and utilities just to encourage them to put out more mods. I bet you have at least a half a dozen of those utilities and resources on your computer right now. Modding is and always has been a group effort, and this is what you people fail to understand. In your narcissism and arrogance you feel you are entitled to stand on the shoulders of others and profit off of that.

arxerisdam wrote: What you say is true, the elder scrolls community as always been an open source community sharing between everyone to create better stuff.

With all the crying and saddness from modders, as anyone has stoping feel sorry for himiself and think.

"Ok i want to make money out of this. Now, HOW im going to convince mod-users to pay for this?"

Because in the end is they who are going to buy the mods, if not who else?

because i doubt you sell as much as downloads you have in some of the most popular mods really.

And the really whats chesko did uploading a paid mod without asking permission from Fore's was really a big mistake and bring another more urgent problem the stealing of work from others. and thast a big problem because all you have in this kind of community is your reputation and i bet that hurt him at least a little.

So instead of whining and crying you need to start thnking how you will sell the idea to mod users (customers with money) to buy your mods because i suspect the next fallout or elder scrolls game will try this again.

They see mods like a source of future income, and it can be a very lucrative one.

As long the players are willing to buy mods.

freedom613 wrote: Patreon is a nutshell works like Kickstarter does but with donations instead of crowd funding. If I donate $1/mo the modder rewards me with screenshots of the upcoming versions. If I donate $10/mo the modder lets me beta test. If I donate $30/mo, the modder may put my name in the credits.

Basically, when you donate, you are rewarded with a Gift Basket. Think going to your mate's birthday in elementary school and you "donated" him a present and in return you got a goody bag with a piece of chocolate or what not.

Vesuvius1745 wrote: @Freedom I understand your position, and I am totally cool with donations to mod authors (and have donated, and encourage others to do so).

Most of the mod authors in this community are great, and their work is appreciated. I am shocked by the behavior I have seen from a small but vocal percentage of mod authors. I am disgusted by the entitlement mentality they have, and the belief that they feel they should be allowed to profit off of other people's work, or incorporate free resources other people have donated for free into their work, and then profit off of that. I am dismayed by the temper tantrums I have seen from these people; some modders taking their marbles and running home (several of them removing all of their mods from the Nexus and saying, "If I can't get paid, f*#@ you!"

In another thread a mod author even admitted she has downloaded over a TB of free mods from the Nexus, and has never donated a cent to either Nexus, or another mod author. I think that pretty much sums up the problem I have with these people.

I do think one good thing will come from all of this: that this situation will cull the greedy pieces of excrement who are trying to make a money grab from the community of passionate and dedicated mod authors.

Marstonn wrote: I think isn't allowed to the modders get a patreon to make mods, and is forbid announce the patreon in the page mod.

beewyka819 wrote: The point is they've been being generous, so they deserve to be allowed to make money of of their work if they so decide to. You are being irrational, yes it has been functioning without money flow. But you seem to forget that what's more important than you being happy because YOU are a greedy human that can't give up at least 1 dollar for something is that these modders are human beings, not some money demons, the only reason they'd ask for money off of mods is if they need it, if they don't, they'll make it free, if they need it, they'll make it paid for only so they can get by in life. For example, I think the creator of say, Falskaar, deserves to earn a decent size of cash for it. You say no, because he's "generous" anyway, dude, that's cold, if he wants to sell it he should, and you should have zero say in the matter, because, last time I checked, you didn't spend a year of your life coding Falskaar, he did. So if he want's to earn some money to earn that year back, then he's damn well allowed to, but he doesn't need to because Bungie hired him because of the mod, but if that wasn't the case. He probably would've re-released it as paid, and no one would have the right to tell him otherwise, unless they're low-life pillocks.

sunshinenbrick wrote: I have been thinking about this and I feel, if and when this is rolled out again (cuz it probably will), how do we know games won't be bundled with three swords, two shields and one player home... the rest you have to buy.

I think if we have paid for mods they should really only be a very select few that make it to that prestige. Donations are great for any situation but many of the mods actually worth buying took a couple of years to appear.

Careful you'll hurt yourself trying to be insulting without getting banned.

[Mattoropael]

In response to post #24791749. #24793384 is also a reply to the same post.

RemusAluthr wrote:

GoldenDragonRider wrote: To me, the fact that the community is so divided by this, sort of showed what a delicate system this truly is. It's as if the community was built as 2D graphite sheets rather than the 3D diamond lattice we thought. No one could have expected a turn out as messy as this...

Well, this paid-mod experiment is like the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil to some modders.

It gets pretty ridiculous when you realize that many who were willingly working for the community until that point had willingly submitted themselves to the OMGMONEYMONEYMONEY-frenzy and went AGAINST the community.

And then you would horrifyingly realize that these seemingly benevolent people simply didn't know about the possibility of monetization until Beth and Valve opened the floodgate. Worse yet, some of their creations have already grown to the point that they're so essential, these same people can effectively hold the entire community at ransom if they want to.


tl;dr - I agree completely, the damage is already done, those who have literally JUMPED at the chance of monetization aren't going to just come back. While I do foresee the community recovering from this, it may take a little while. Edited April 29, 2015 by CNR4806

[greggorypeccary]

In response to post #24801759. #24802244, #24802379 are all replies on the same post.

DaddyDirection wrote:

greggorypeccary wrote: Read my post, I used the nexus and it was very nice. It is a little blind to the fact that it does very well on the labors of un paid modders. It does not share the wealth with the ones that earn it for them. since you get free mods it seems fine to you. If you read my post I think you'll find that what I find is shameful really is that the nexus expects you to pay the modders. I think most of that onus is on them.

Vesuvius1745 wrote: The dirty secret here is Greggory gets free mods too. He's been enjoying the work of other people in the community for years. He's used the free utilities and resources provided to the community for free as well. But instead of paying-it-forward like all of the mod authors whose work he has enjoyed, he now wants to profit off of what others have allowed him to do.

Its no dirty secret. I have been a contributing member of this community for some time. I'm proud of my contributions and any one can see them.