Random CTD's near Angarvunde, Avanchnzel, and the Heartwood Mill

[LadyShadowOfDreams]

Hey! It's me again. After finally fixing my face bug- turns out it was an issue with my hair replacer, which makes me feel very dumb- and getting my mods working again, I decided to continue my playthrough. I'm currently heading to Riften to find Esbern, but around Angarvunde, Avanchnzel, and Heartwood Mill, I keep getting sudden CTD's. And since I have to pass through that area to get to RIften, well. My load order- or at least I think this is it, I may be looking at entirely the wrong file:

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Dawnguard.esm
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
HearthFires.esm
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
ApachiiHair.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
MFVM.esm
Skykids.esm
SK Drow Child Race.esm
SK TheEyesOfBeauty.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
Chesko_Frostfall.esp
MFVM_Hearthfire_Patch.esp
CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp
FishingInSkyrim.esp
Hunterborn.esp
Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp
TouringCarriages.esp
WetandCold.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
SkyUI.esp
Cloaks.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
ImmersiveArmorsNPCs.esp
HarvestOverhaul.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
seedymerchant.esp
Misc Items Reweighting.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
DynamicMerchants.esp
SK Vanilla Child Replacer.esp
SK Vanilla Child Replacer HF.esp
SK Vanilla Child Replacer DB.esp
Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp
SaturationBoost.esp
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
RND_DrinkingFountains-Patch.esp
Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp
RND_USKP-Patch.esp
Better Vampires.esp
ajd_skyrimbookstores_shenkthieveryversion.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
ApachiiHairStyles.esp
ApachiiHairStylesELVES.esp
My Home Is Your Home.esp
SK Drow Taldyn.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
WellsOfSkyrimRND.esp
SK Child Armor Swapper.esp
WetandCold - Holidays.esp
TrueEyes.esp
[+]K's_Faendal[+].esp
[+]K's_Marcurio[+].esp
VelvetRobesandCloaks.esp
Silverstead.esp
SK ApachiiHair.esp
SK ApachiiHairFemales.esp

[ripple]

1) Replace your plugin list with a complete BOSS or LOOT log (messages about "dirty edits", etc). Enclose it in a set of spoiler tags so it won't clutter the screen.

 

2) List all mods you have installed which do not come with plugins, such as texture or body replacers.

 

3) Your system specs.

 

4) Have you made any edits to the game ini files? If so, copy/paste the contents here (and enclose in a set of spoiler tags)

 

5) Do you have Wrye Bash? If so, why no Bashed Patch (this is not related to CTDs)?

[DrNewcenstein]

There's something in those areas that's spawning, or trying to spawn, that's causing the issue. Whether it's an environmental effect or a random creature spawn, especially where said creature has a texture or behavior mod, or if there's some randomized NPC vs NPC, NPC vs Creature, Creature vs Creature, etc, or some sort of imagespace change.

 

You may also want to group similar items, such as putting WetAndCold - Holidays directly under WetAndCold.

[LadyShadowOfDreams]

I use BOSS to set my load order. How do I get a complete BOSS log? As for mods that lack plugins- I'm not certain if all of these lack plugins, but there's CBBE, Better Males, Fine face textures for men, and I think that's it.

[ripple]

I use BOSS to set my load order. How do I get a complete BOSS log? As for mods that lack plugins- I'm not certain if all of these lack plugins, but there's CBBE, Better Males, Fine face textures for men, and I think that's it.

You can select the option to output a BOSS log either in HTML or text format. Copy/paste the entire content of that log here (including the SKSE version information), then enclose the log in a set of spoiler tags (because it will be big) so it won't clutter the screen. Also, provide the other requested information.

 

Also, include the list of plugins not recognized by BOSS.

Edited May 17, 2015 by ripple

[LadyShadowOfDreams]

Right. I copied the entire document, so that I know I didn't leave out anything important. I apologize for my cluelessness, I normally rely on my sibling to help me.

 

 

BOSS
Version 2.3.0


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Summary
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Plugin Type Count
Recognised (or sorted by user rules) 66
Unrecognised 9
Inactive 0
All 75


Plugin Message Type Count
Warning 2
Error 0
All 22


* Masterlist updated; at revision: 2f89c0161.
* No change in recognised plugin list since last run.
* Note: Latest BOSS thread ("http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1496999-relz-boss-for-skyrim/")
* Note: Your SKSE is up-to-date.


======================================
User Rules
======================================


Rule Applied Details (if applicable)
Sort "SK Drow Child Race.esm" after "Skykids.esm" ✓
Sort "SK Monli Race.esm" after "Skykids.esm" ✓
Insert "monli preset1.esp" at the bottom of "Overrides" ✗ "monli preset1.esp" is not installed or in the masterlist.
Insert "monli preset2.esp" at the bottom of "Overrides" ✗ "monli preset2.esp" is not installed or in the masterlist.
Insert "monli preset3.esp" at the bottom of "Overrides" ✗ "monli preset3.esp" is not installed or in the masterlist.
Insert "SK Lolydia.esp" at the bottom of "Companions" ✗ "SK Lolydia.esp" is not installed or in the masterlist.
Insert "SK Drow Taldyn.esp" at the bottom of "Companions" ✓
Insert "SK Vanilla Child Replacer.esp" at the bottom of "Overrides" ✓
Insert "SK Vanilla Child Replacer HF.esp" at the bottom of "Overrides" ✓
Insert "SK Vanilla Child Replacer DB.esp" at the bottom of "Overrides" ✓
Insert "SK Child Armor Swapper.esp" at the bottom of "Dynamic Plugins" ✓



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SKSE Plugins
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SKSE Version: 0.1.7.1

chargen.dll

nioverride.dll

SafetyLoad.dll

showRaceMenu_preCacheKiller.dll


======================================
Recognised Plugins
======================================


These plugins are recognised by BOSS and have been sorted according to its masterlist. Please read any attached messages and act on any that require action.

Skyrim.esm Active

Update.esm Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
* Contains dirty edits: 92 ITM, 3 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit ("http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25859") cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here ("http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit").


Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Version 2.1.0 Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}


Dawnguard.esm Active
* Contains dirty edits: 619 ITM, 82 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit ("http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25859") cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here ("http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit").
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}


Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Version 2.1.0 Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}


HearthFires.esm Active
* Contains dirty edits: 184 ITM, 11 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit ("http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25859") cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here ("http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit").


Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Version 2.1.0 Active

Dragonborn.esm Active
* Contains dirty edits: 61 ITM, 8 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit ("http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25859") cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here ("http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit").


Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Version 2.1.0 Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}


ApachiiHair.esm Version 1.4 Active

ApachiiHairFemales.esm Version 1.5 Active

RaceCompatibility.esm Active

MFVM.esm Active

Skykids.esm Active

SK Drow Child Race.esm Active

HighResTexturePack01.esp Active

HighResTexturePack02.esp Active

HighResTexturePack03.esp Active

RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp Active

Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp Version 1.1.9 Active

Chesko_Frostfall.esp Active

MFVM_Hearthfire_Patch.esp Active

CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp Active

FishingInSkyrim.esp Active
* Contains dirty edits: 4 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit ("http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25859") cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here ("http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit").


Hunterborn.esp Active

Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp Active

TouringCarriages.esp Version 2.2.5 Active

WetandCold.esp Version 1.422 Active

RaceMenu.esp Active

RaceMenuPlugin.esp Active
* Note: RaceMenuPlugin is optional and provides support to alter Height, Breast, Glute and Biceps. If you experience issues with it, disable RaceMenuPlugin.esp and inform the author.


SkyUI.esp Version 4.1 Active

Cloaks.esp Active
* Contains dirty edits: 2 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit ("http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25859") cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here ("http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit").


Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp Active

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Version 7.1 Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}


Dr_Bandolier.esp Active

ImmersiveArmorsNPCs.esp Active

HarvestOverhaul.esp Version 2.8.2 Active

HearthfireMultiKid.esp Active

HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp Active

seedymerchant.esp Active

Misc Items Reweighting.esp Active

Book Covers Skyrim.esp Active

DynamicMerchants.esp Active

SK Vanilla Child Replacer.esp Version 1 Active

SK Vanilla Child Replacer HF.esp Active

SK Vanilla Child Replacer DB.esp Active

Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp Active

RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}


RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp Active

RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp Active

RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp Active

RND_DrinkingFountains-Patch.esp Active

Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp Active

RND_USKP-Patch.esp Active
* Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}


Better Vampires.esp Active
* Contains dirty edits: Do not clean. "Dirty" edits are intentional and required for the mod to function.


ajd_skyrimbookstores_shenkthieveryversion.esp Active

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp Version 9 Active

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp Version 1.2i Active
* Warning: UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp required to work properly with Dawnguard (Official Bethesda DLC)
* Warning: UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp required to work properly with Hearthfires (Official Bethesda DLC)
* Note: For safe install need dismiss all your followers, save, delete all included mods, load again, save and install UFO. For safe uninstall or update see special instructions on mod page ("http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/14037").
* Contains dirty edits: 18 ITM, 0 UDR records Needs TES5Edit ("http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25859") cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here ("http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit").


ApachiiHairStyles.esp Active

ApachiiHairStylesELVES.esp Active

My Home Is Your Home.esp Version 1.21 Active
* Contains dirty edits: 3 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit ("http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25859") cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here ("http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit").


SK Drow Taldyn.esp Active

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Version 3.0.1 Active

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Active
* Note: Ragdolls will conflict with other mods that change the skeleton.nif. Check Custom Skeleton Replacers ("http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/16712") for compatibly with other skeleton.nif.


WellsOfSkyrimRND.esp Active

SK Child Armor Swapper.esp Active


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Unrecognised Plugins
======================================


The following plugins were not found in the masterlist, and must be positioned manually, using your favourite mod manager or by using BOSS's user rules functionality. You can submit unrecognised plugins for addition to the masterlist directly from this log by clicking on a plugin and supplying a link and/or description of its contents in the panel that is displayed.

SK TheEyesOfBeauty.esm Version 8 Active

WetandCold - Holidays.esp Version 1.07 Active

TrueEyes.esp Active

[+]K's_Faendal[+].esp Active

[+]K's_Marcurio[+].esp Active

VelvetRobesandCloaks.esp Active

Silverstead.esp Active

SK ApachiiHair.esp Active

SK ApachiiHairFemales.esp Active

 

 

I already listed the ones that lack plugins. I have not made any changes to the Ini file, and I lack Bash. As fer my specs-

 

 

Processor: AMD Phenom 9750 Quad-core processor 2.40 GHz

Ram: 5.00 GB

Operating system: Win 7, 64-bit

Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti

 

 

If I forgot any information, I apologize in advance!

[ripple]

1) Download TES5Edit if you haven't already. Follow the link in the BOSS log, which will take you to a page with instructions on how to use TES5Edit to clean the plugins that have been marked as containing "dirty edits." You will need to remove identical to master entries as well as undelete/disable deleted references. Clean only the plugins that the BOSS log has advised you to clean (including the official DLCs and the patch/update esm).

 

2) Get Wrye Bash and generate a Bashed Patch. As indicated by your BOSS log, there are a number of plugins with Bash Tags (for level list edits), so you will need to make a Bashed Patch to merge those conflicting level list edits.

 

3) Consider upgrading to SKSE 1.7.2 (beta). It may be beta, but it's stable.

 

4) You'll need to do something about those unrecognized plugins. Right now they are loading at the bottom of the load order and overriding any conflicting records from plugins loaded earlier in the load order. Typically, most users now days switch to LOOT to manage their load orders. Unfortunately, LOOT does not provide as much log information for load order troubleshooting purposes. So if not switching to LOOT, then I advise either using TES5Edit to see if those unrecognized plugins contain any conflicting records with other mods in your load order (also check them to see if they contain "error records"--right click on the plugin in TES5Edit, select "check error"), or uninstall those mods.

 

5) Random CTDs are difficult to track without a pattern. Locational proximity may just be a coincidence (or could be a clue). Right now, it could be any number of things that triggers the random CTDs...it *might* be some modification to that zone in the worldspace (although if you didn't CTD there before, it doesn't seem likely), or it could be something added by a mod that is being rendered when you enter the zone (NPC, a piece of armour, even a custom mesh of an object). So start writing down details about each of your CTD from this point forward--when/where/what you are doing (in combat, casting a spell, riding, etc). The details may reveal a repeating pattern that will unveil clues as to what might be causing the CTDs.

 

Hmmm....I remember getting a persistent CTD near Riften many, many months ago, and tracked it to "Race Menu." Apparently, it had to do with this file: nioverride.dll. If all else fails, temporarily remove that file from your SKSE plugin folder. See if that is the culprit.

Edited May 17, 2015 by ripple

[youwish1]

Use loot to sort your load order. Boss is outdated and no longer being worked on.

[LadyShadowOfDreams]

Okay, so removing Nioveride didn't fix things. I'm gonna do the other stuff now, but there's something I need to know. Some of the things it marked as having dirty edits aren't mods- they're the DLC. I'm -assuming- that 'cleaning' those plugins will break my game?

[ripple]

Some of the things it marked as having dirty edits aren't mods- they're the DLC. I'm -assuming- that 'cleaning' those plugins will break my game?

No, it won't. Just make sure you follow the instructions on the page closely. Clean each flagged plugin only once (no repeat cleanings) and remove identical to master entries as well as undelete/disable deleted references.