Which Faction is Best?

[marharth]

The way you see it is like thinking WW2 had a good side.

 

If you think WWII didn't have a good side, you obviously know nothing about history.

 

SHOCKW4VE, an independent vegas can't defend itself by itself. Without yes man/house, there is no robot army. There is already enough division between people in new vegas. They all won't assimilate under one banner. The BoS will fight anyone, the Families won't join together, etc. New Vegas has no resources. Any recources they would obtain after the 2nd battle of Hoover Dam would be off of the bodies of dead soldiers. As for the people of NCR and the Legion coming to new vegas, why would they do that? Just because they get kicked out of the Mojave doesn't mean their faction is dead. Far from it, both the NCR and the Legion would probably return. They would retreat to their homelands and regroup. New Vegas is in it's homeland already. Honestly, if you think that the PEOPLE of New Vegas could survive a combined Legion/NCR onslaught along with the in-fighting that's sure to occur? They don't have the robot army(which couldn't survive in that situation anyways).

 

@Marharth, we are taking the player out of the equation. Things like Kimball's assassination, the Boomers getting their B-29, Caesar's cancer would've been cured, etc. because the faction/person had plans to accomplish their goals in those instances. The NCR would be in a horrible state due to the player not being present to help them, etc.

My entire post there was with the player out of the equation.

 

The NCR and the legion would both be doing badly.

 

Ceaser would end up dying soon after the war. It is likely the legion would win the battle since they have better tactics. Not only did the legion attack the dam with more force and more stratgey, they also attacked other NCR bases.

 

The legion would still be drastically weakened by the attacks, and would likely be taken out over time due to Ceaser's death.

[Korodic]

Well you certainly opened up my eyes, as I have never thought about it like that. When I saw the lottery and all the crosses I assumed it was all about Darwinism. However, I do disagree in the fact that it is would be better. Suppose the legion does win. They are now the only powerhouse in the wasteland, and every type of uprising is slaughtered. Yes, there is peace, but there is probably plenty of corruption, like the nazi's were at the concentration camps. They are also just as capable of exploitation through scare tactics, as they go by the "anything to get the job done" thought process would make everyone's life uneasy and scared.

 

While the NCR may be corrupt, much like the American government is today, at least there is a type of peace among the majority and the peaceful relations between other factions.

 

Extremists will always fail in creating order and peace as ideas that are too radical will change with the ruler, thus creating an unbalance and a constantly shifting society that is lost in the confusion.

[BloXboX]

In my opinion? NCR. Its the faction i love, Ive loved them in the Classic fallouts aswell. But i only "work" for them. I think the NCR is pretty good in terms of karma. And i like that. The legion doesnt do s*** for the wasteland so in my eyes they are my enemies. People need help and saviour in a game like NV. Simply because ... Well just look at the world everyone is in. And then on top of everything Legion comes in and makes everything worse.

 

So in my opinion id go with NCR. They are a pretty simple kind of "Army" and i can trust them, I know they wont screw me over atleast. Unlike other factions. I didnt like BoS a lot, Simply because they would literaly kill their closest friend just for a energy weapon .. That in my opinion is just stupid and in general bad.

 

Though everytime i kill legion troops i notice that the legion is MUCH better supplied. They often have a lot of food on them, water and healing powder. Unlike NCR. The NCR has been into the war for too long and it has cost them too much .. They are dying slowly inside. They will most likely collapse and the legion will have its chance do wipe them out.

 

But i might be wrong.

[Malkut]

The NCR.

 

Because, a democracy (however incompetent) is still infinitely preferable to a dictatorship (however efficient).

[marharth]

The NCR.

 

Because, a democracy (however incompetent) is still infinitely preferable to a dictatorship (however efficient).

People might hate me for this, but sometimes a dictator can be a lot better.

 

Mr.House has the correct ideas at least, he won't go crazy and kill people. He is extremely logical and does things for a reason.

 

 

Then again, how long can Mr.House last? What if his machine stops working, or what if someone else finds a way to kill him? Mr.House doesn't seem to have any backup plan for that.

[Malkut]

People might hate me for this, but sometimes a dictator can be a lot better.

 

Mr.House has the correct ideas at least

 

Aside from lacking any comprehension of his own limitations, Mister House suffers from the same flaw as Caesar. Namely, he thinks that he alone can save humanity from the post-nuclear nightmare they created.

 

He can't. Nobody can. No single person is going to come along and sweep away the Wasteland and the past 200 years with some scheme involving robots. If someone did manage to force order, it would be that person's order, and it'd vanish the second they did.

 

Caeser has the same issue. He is not Julius Caesar, no matter what his people think. He's an egomaniac cosplaying as him. What he's built isn't an empire, it's a legion, an army, and it's founded on nothing more than stolen ideas and his own personal charisma. Without Caesar, it's nothing but a band of well-organized raiders.

 

Humanity itself has to learn from it's mistakes, come back from the brink, form stable societies, advance technologically, and reclaim the planet on it's own. The NCR is a democratic nation that evolved organically, sustained itself for a century, and has organized itself well enough to gather wealth and expand it's influence. That's far more likely to produce results than either other faction.

[marharth]

People might hate me for this, but sometimes a dictator can be a lot better.

 

Mr.House has the correct ideas at least

 

Aside from lacking any comprehension of his own limitations, Mister House suffers from the same flaw as Caesar. Namely, he thinks that he alone can save humanity from the post-nuclear nightmare they created.

 

He can't. Nobody can. No single person is going to come along and sweep away the Wasteland and the past 200 years with some scheme involving robots. If someone did manage to force order, it would be that person's order, and it'd vanish the second they did.

 

Caeser has the same issue. He is not Julius Caesar, no matter what his people think. He's an egomaniac cosplaying as him. What he's built isn't an empire, it's a legion, an army, and it's founded on nothing more than stolen ideas and his own personal charisma. Without Caesar, it's nothing but a band of well-organized raiders.

 

Humanity itself has to learn from it's mistakes, come back from the brink, form stable societies, advance technologically, and reclaim the planet on it's own. The NCR is a democratic nation that evolved organically, sustained itself for a century, and has organized itself well enough to gather wealth and expand it's influence. That's far more likely to produce results than either other faction.

Human does need to learn from its mistakes. Government corruption was one of the big mistakes that lead to such a war.

 

The NCR is democratic, so what? That doesn't mean everyone in the NCR is fine, it just means they can vote.

 

Mr.House does not wish to save the wasteland, he could care less about the areas outside of Vegas. He wants to save humanity alone. Why can't Mr.House save humanity? I don't see much reason what would stop him.

[Malkut]

The NCR is democratic, so what? That doesn't mean everyone in the NCR is fine, it just means they can vote.

 

The government is actually built on the idea of minimizing the impact of human nature on human society, so that everyone doesn't have to be fine for things to function. This is why one of the first things the NCR borrowed was the concept of checks and balances.

 

Again, it's not perfect. No society composed of imperfect humans will ever be perfect, but, it's as close as we can reasonably expect to get.

 

He wants to save humanity alone. Why can't Mr.House save humanity?

 

Mr. House doesn't seem to realize that saving humanity and controlling it are two different things. Generally happens to people with a messiah complex.

 

He will make humanity reliant on him, meaning it's screwed if it ever loses him. Humanity needs to rely on itself.

[marharth]

The NCR is democratic, so what? That doesn't mean everyone in the NCR is fine, it just means they can vote.

 

The government is actually built on the idea of minimizing the impact of human nature on human society, so that everyone doesn't have to be fine for things to function. This is why one of the first things the NCR borrowed was the concept of checks and balances.

 

Again, it's not perfect. No society composed of imperfect humans will ever be perfect, but, it's as close as we can reasonably expect to get.

 

He wants to save humanity alone. Why can't Mr.House save humanity?

 

Mr. House doesn't seem to realize that saving humanity and controlling it are two different things. Generally happens to people with a messiah complex.

 

He will make humanity reliant on him, meaning it's screwed if it ever loses him. Humanity needs to rely on itself.

He doesn't control anything, his society has more freedom then any stable government in our modern world.

 

His laws are pretty simple, and he doesn't have very many rules.

 

I am sure with time he will find a backup plan in case he somehow dies.

[Malkut]

He doesn't control anything, his society has more freedom then any stable government in our modern world.

 

His laws are pretty simple, and he doesn't have very many rules.

 

The endings seem to imply differently.

 

Mr. House continued to run New Vegas his way, a despotic vision of Pre-War glory. The streets were orderly, efficient, cold.

 

Supporting the ideals of independence, the Courier was recognized as the man/woman responsible for a truly free New Vegas. He/she ensured Mr. House's tyranny was broken and neither Caesar's Legion nor NCR would ever gain control over New Vegas.

 

House's regime isn't as repressive as Caesar's, but he's no saintly benevolent despot.